The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4

The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4

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aeropilot

34,299 posts

226 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Fittster said:
He's had some huge successful years where he has produced a vast number of assists for the club.

A player doesn't have to score lots of goals or throw themselves about in a David Batty / Carlton Palmer way to be an effective midfielder.

That doesn't mean he hasn't dropped off but 2013 - 2017 he was playing at an elite level.
Yep, only last season under Dick did he fall down the club assists chart.

13/14 season he was #1
14/15 season he was #4
15/16 season he was #1
16/17 season he was #2
17/18 season he was #1
18/19 season he was #9


Cupramax

10,469 posts

251 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Arteta would be a monumentally stupid appointment, I didn’t think he was right before Mr Goodebening arrived and he’s definitely not right now. The club needs an extremely experienced pair of hands to get a grip of the current mess we’re in. I’ve no doubt he may be very good but he has absolutely zero management experience, being Peps number 2 is no qualification, he’s never managed a team!

I’d be marginally happier if he came as a number two to Rafa or Anchelloti for perhaps 18 months with the idea of taking over long term.

mylesmcd

2,521 posts

218 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Carl_Manchester said:
mylesmcd said:
I am a little broken by all of this.

I think the strategy of the club will be to sell off the golden generation of younger potential kids we have now once they have been brought to a standard.

Then sell the club to who ever is interested

(hopefully Matthew Flamini who after rescuing the world from choking on plastic, returns to spend his billions on his beloved Arsenal.....)
The American senior management trusted certain lieutenants with running the club, they failed, it does not mean (to me at least) that they want to strip mine the club for money. End of the day these are ego driven people, they want to be shaking hands with power movers at the champions league finals.

Competing against Sheffield United for 8th is not in the script.

Sacking of Emery when Mourinho was number one target and had already gone to Spuds was a compound fracture but at least it has shown the armchair managers here and on social media how broken the squad is and no manager can save our season unless we have a busy January and buy four players who can add value.
I would love to share the optimism, but the evidence in his other sports franchises leads me to think differently. He works for profit only, not ego.

I would happily happily be wrong though!

aeropilot

34,299 posts

226 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Cupramax said:
Arteta would be a monumentally stupid appointment
Agreed.

But very typical of AFC boardroom decisions these days.




anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Fittster said:
Raygun said:
Raygun said:
As for Ozil when will people face up to it that he's no wonder player and if he was Real Madrid wouldn't have sold him to us.
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He's never been much good for Arsenal. How long before people face up to the truth? He's a waste of money.
He's had some huge successful years where he has produced a vast number of assists for the club.

A player doesn't have to score lots of goals or throw themselves about in a David Batty / Carlton Palmer way to be an effective midfielder.

That doesn't mean he hasn't dropped off but 2013 - 2017 he was playing at an elite level.
He may well of had plenty of assists in the past but I guess that was against mediocre opposition, he's always gone missing in big games against the best teams.
Manchester United bought Sanchez off us, realised they bought a dud and moved him on. How long does it take to realise we've bought duds like Xhaka, Ozil(350k a week is unbelieveable imho) or is it Kroenke holding back to avoid forking out on replacements?

aeropilot

34,299 posts

226 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Raygun said:
Fittster said:
Raygun said:
Raygun said:
As for Ozil when will people face up to it that he's no wonder player and if he was Real Madrid wouldn't have sold him to us.
Repeat again
He's never been much good for Arsenal. How long before people face up to the truth? He's a waste of money.
He's had some huge successful years where he has produced a vast number of assists for the club.

A player doesn't have to score lots of goals or throw themselves about in a David Batty / Carlton Palmer way to be an effective midfielder.

That doesn't mean he hasn't dropped off but 2013 - 2017 he was playing at an elite level.
He may well of had plenty of assists in the past but I guess that was against mediocre opposition, he's always gone missing in big games against the best teams.
As have most of the rest of the team gone missing in the big games..........why single one player out.

I do agree though about your point that AFC are crap at the moving on of unwanted players and contract terms in general, but that the fault of the board and who they have employed to do that business now and in the past.


anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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aeropilot said:
Raygun said:
Fittster said:
Raygun said:
Raygun said:
As for Ozil when will people face up to it that he's no wonder player and if he was Real Madrid wouldn't have sold him to us.
Repeat again
He's never been much good for Arsenal. How long before people face up to the truth? He's a waste of money.
He's had some huge successful years where he has produced a vast number of assists for the club.

A player doesn't have to score lots of goals or throw themselves about in a David Batty / Carlton Palmer way to be an effective midfielder.

That doesn't mean he hasn't dropped off but 2013 - 2017 he was playing at an elite level.
He may well of had plenty of assists in the past but I guess that was against mediocre opposition, he's always gone missing in big games against the best teams.
As have most of the rest of the team gone missing in the big games..........why single one player out.
Because he's the one on £350k a week and Kroenke probably thinks he's doing the Arsenal fans a big favour employing him.
I must say the ones I have been really disappointed with are people like Wenger and other members of the Arsenal board who have a good knowledge of football who've never come out in public and criticised Kroenke's lack of ambition which might of made Kroenke at least think about how he runs Arsenal but no all they've worried about is protecting their own personnel cash cow.
What's Mertesacker doing as assistant manager? He's one of the players Wenger bought in with his 'Christmas Eve shopping approach' after we were stuffed 8-2 by Manchester United late in an August transfer window period. The writing was on the wall then, if they could've got away without spending they would've but as a token gesture after getting thumped they bought in a couple of Germans who were well past their sell by date.
All the times Arsenal qualified for the Champions League they were the one team you knew were never going to win it. Arsenal fans were expected to be over the moon that Arsenal qualified for the tournament when in reality it was more profitable for Kroenke for Arsenal to just qualify for the Champions League rather than invest a bit more with the chance of winning it. I even remember the scare tactics of referencing Leeds United and their demise as a reason for not over investing at the time.
Take me back to Highbury with George Graham in charge or Bruce Rioch who had the nous to bring in Bergkamp with a great back 5.

BMW A6

1,911 posts

63 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Thoughts please on Mezut özil getting all political, supporting imprisoned Muslims in China and thus agitating said superpower?

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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BMW A6 said:
Thoughts please on Mezut özil getting all political, supporting imprisoned Muslims in China and thus agitating said superpower?
No problem at all if he put in a decent performance on the pitch, alas, it was not to be.

Fittster

20,120 posts

212 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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BMW A6 said:
Thoughts please on Mezut özil getting all political, supporting imprisoned Muslims in China and thus agitating said superpower?
Thoughts on silence from other team mates, clubs and businesses? Money is more important than human rights.

Cheib

23,111 posts

174 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Carl_Manchester said:
mylesmcd said:
I am a little broken by all of this.

I think the strategy of the club will be to sell off the golden generation of younger potential kids we have now once they have been brought to a standard.

Then sell the club to who ever is interested

(hopefully Matthew Flamini who after rescuing the world from choking on plastic, returns to spend his billions on his beloved Arsenal.....)
The American senior management trusted certain lieutenants with running the club, they failed, it does not mean (to me at least) that they want to strip mine the club for money. End of the day these are ego driven people, they want to be shaking hands with power movers at the champions league finals.

Competing against Sheffield United for 8th is not in the script.

Sacking of Emery when Mourinho was number one target and had already gone to Spuds was a compound fracture but at least it has shown the armchair managers here and on social media how broken the squad is and no manager can save our season unless we have a busy January and buy four players who can add value.
I don’t think Kronke/KSE want this any more than the rest of us but they’ve made some pretty fking serious errors.

- Let Wenger continue too long
- Lack of genuine football people involved at board/senior management level
- Relied on Gazidis who seemed much better at managing upwards than actually managing
- Went with Raul rather than Sven Mislantat....a man on the speed dial of a lot of agents instead of someone with proven ability to scout world class players
- Some utterly,utterly horrendous recruitment. Who is paying for this with their job ?
-Sacked Emery and two weeks later we’re just about making a decision. Raul wanted to give him a new contract in the summer....seriously worried about his influence.

I had a feeling we’d go with someone like Arteta or Vieira for a couple of reasons.

- Squad is so fked I don’t think anyone established wants to go hear it mid-season
- Raul is a political animal. The decision that he can hide behind is hiring someone with “Arsenal DNA”....as it’s then less his decision but more a cultural decision. Also Arteta was wanted by Sven/Gazidis when Raul went heavily for Emery so he can almost blame it on them despite them no longer being there.


All that said Guardiola is no fool and there’s an awful lot of people with a hell of a lot of good things to say about Arteta . One quote I have read is that he demands 120% of players...and also that he’s got no problem with obeying unpopular....both of which will be needed to sort out this Arsenal squad.

Personally I think we should prioritise this group of 18 to 20 year olds we have and junk some of the experienced oxygen thieves we’ve got. In addition to the one’s in the squad now we have Nkatiah and Saliba to come in. It’s the most promising group of young players we’ve had in a years. Apart from the kids we have Leno, Bellerin, Tierney, Torreira, Aubameyang, That’s it!

NoVetec

9,967 posts

172 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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And Holding!

Cupramax

10,469 posts

251 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Everton have got Anchelotti! Meanwhile in north London

LudaMusser

159 posts

112 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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With a World Cup winning defender on our coaching staff and Mr Bould sat next to him on the bench yesterday, himself a member of arguably the best back four ever seen in this country, how is our defence allowed to never improve?

Our defence has been shocking for probably ten years.

I think there’s only 3-4 players in the squad that I rate. It doesn’t matter who comes in as our next manager. These players can’t come close to the top 4-6 team’s players in the EPL.

Emery was given eighteen months, he did very little bar an early 23? game unbeaten run. The new manager will need to be given a hell of a lot of time, minimum 3-4 years to try and turn this squad around. Will he get that long?

Silent Stan is raking in big money from corporate packages and tv rights. I don’t think he cares too much about what’s going on on the pitch so how much money will the new manager get to spend?

When I see Ozil wearing number 10 I think back to Bergkamp. We’ve fallen a long way since then

aeropilot

34,299 posts

226 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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LudaMusser said:
Silent Stan is raking in big money from corporate packages and tv rights. I don’t think he cares too much about what’s going on on the pitch so how much money will the new manager get to spend?
Not a lot, that's why Arteta is a dead cert, as no established manager will touch us with a barge pole.

Solitude

1,902 posts

174 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Oh, and another thing (apologies if it's been covered befor)

Edu ???

What is that all about ?

Cupramax

10,469 posts

251 months

Tuesday 17th December 2019
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Arseblog reporting Arteta has agreed terms, just waiting on an arrangement with City,

aeropilot

34,299 posts

226 months

Tuesday 17th December 2019
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Cupramax said:
Arseblog reporting Arteta has agreed terms, just waiting on an arrangement with City,
Given the reports in the media that City are well hacked off with the approaches, I suspect the compensation fee demanded by them will not be a trivial amount.


Terminator X

14,921 posts

203 months

Tuesday 17th December 2019
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Slightly O/T but I noticed lots of empty seats at the recent City game, fans staying away in protest?

TX.

Cupramax

10,469 posts

251 months

Tuesday 17th December 2019
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Yes, it was less than half full at the last European home game. Perfectly normal, Arsenal announce a virtually full ticket sale for every game, but the stadium says otherwise.
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