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simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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Driver101 said:
Not a remotely close scenario. If you boot a player when the ball is out of play it's still violent conduct and a red card.

Was it a clear goal scoring opportunity? Windass neither had the ball, had two defenders coming across and the other Rangers attacker was trying to get there first. There was still 3 Aberdeen players and Rangers player between him and the goal. There is a case to argue why it might not be a red. However the fact is offside should have been given prior to the incident in the first place.

How can you ignore one error to highlight the other? Double standards.

Rangers are playing the victims and it was Aberdeen who were the team who suffered the worst.
I was being largely facetious about Morelos. I should really put winky faces in future or something. The point still stands though: the Aberdeen player got away with an off the ball collision.

The foul for the penalty was a textbook example of when someone should be sent off, in my view. The Aberdeen defender had no prospect of winning the ball and was simply trying to foul the player as he feared Windass would score if he didn’t.



In fairness to the ref, it’s all happening at lightning speed, and if he’s not sure he shouldn’t send the player off.

Rangers are a different animal this year. On the field they’ve got a few bigger characters, especially at the back. As always, you can spin stats anyway you want: Rangers have only won 2 games of 5... or they’ve successfully negotiated 2 difficult European qualification ties and dominated the 2nd best team in Scotland away from home with 10 men, while only conceding 2 goals in over 7 hours of competitive football so far.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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bluejj said:
It’s utterly staggering the amount of hatred you lot have for a football club and it’s supporters. This forum is supposedly about Scottish football, you’d be better calling it the let’s have a moan about everything rangers.

There was a dedicated rangers forum a while back but it was ruined and removed because of idiotic comments posted by supporters of other clubs. You know the type who drive a proton but drop into an Audi forum and tell everyone how crap their cars are.

I note that whenever rangers win there’s not a cheep from you, but my god when they drop points or heaven forbid get beaten out you pop.

And before anyone thinks I’m angry, I’m not I just think it’s sad. It’s always all about the rangers.
I don't hate Rangers.

Don't you think the club brings it upon themselves?

One game in and Gerrard is antagonising the rest of Scottish football wrongly that everyone is against his team. The big decisions against Aberdeen were correct and he's rolling out this st.

Do you really not see why that annoys people? Gerrard's statements are embarrassing. I didn't expect him to be like the previous lot. It sound more like the crap Traynor has been writing on behalf of the club.

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 7th August 11:51

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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simoid said:
I was being largely facetious about Morelos. I should really put winky faces in future or something. The point still stands though: the Aberdeen player got away with an off the ball collision.

The foul for the penalty was a textbook example of when someone should be sent off, in my view. The Aberdeen defender had no prospect of winning the ball and was simply trying to foul the player as he feared Windass would score if he didn’t.



In fairness to the ref, it’s all happening at lightning speed, and if he’s not sure he shouldn’t send the player off.

Rangers are a different animal this year. On the field they’ve got a few bigger characters, especially at the back. As always, you can spin stats anyway you want: Rangers have only won 2 games of 5... or they’ve successfully negotiated 2 difficult European qualification ties and dominated the 2nd best team in Scotland away from home with 10 men, while only conceding 2 goals in over 7 hours of competitive football so far.
Small tugs like that often go unpunished. Be happy you even got the penalty for it. Be happy the offside was missed that should have stopped play prior to the incident.

The still doesn't show much, but you can see Windass never had control of the ball. He wasn't favourite to get there first either.

It's not a red card.

If there is this level of furore over decisions like this it's going to be an unbearable season.

I've not seen much of Rangers to give an opinion. Gerrard coming out with all this pish sounds as if he's hit the desperate panic button already.

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 7th August 11:03

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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bluejj said:
It’s utterly staggering the amount of hatred you lot have for a football club and it’s supporters. This forum is supposedly about Scottish football, you’d be better calling it the let’s have a moan about everything rangers.

There was a dedicated rangers forum a while back but it was ruined and removed because of idiotic comments posted by supporters of other clubs. You know the type who drive a proton but drop into an Audi forum and tell everyone how crap their cars are.

I note that whenever rangers win there’s not a cheep from you, but my god when they drop points or heaven forbid get beaten out you pop.

And before anyone thinks I’m angry, I’m not I just think it’s sad. It’s always all about the rangers.
Bigot FC and their deluded fans deserve all they get, fk them.

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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Driver101 said:
Small tugs like that often go unpunished. Be happy you even got the penalty for it. Be happy the offside was missed that should have stopped play prior to the incident.

The still doesn't show much, but you can see Windass never had control of the ball. He wasn't favourite to get there first either.

It's not a red card.

If there is this level of furore over decisions like this it's going to be an unbearable season.

I've not seen much of Rangers to give an opinion. Gerrard coming out with all this pish sounds as if he's hit the desperate panic button already.

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 7th August 11:03
Happy to agree to disagree over the "clear goalscoring opportunity".

I don't think there's anything particularly troubling about Gerrard's comments. Staff, players and fans usually think the ref is an idiot/world is against them/whatever. Almost(?) all managers do it.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitio...

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hibe...

A quick google of any manager's name with "referee criticism" or something shows that.

Is it perhaps because it's Rangers, you're getting all uppity? wink

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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simoid said:
Happy to agree to disagree over the "clear goalscoring opportunity".

I don't think there's anything particularly troubling about Gerrard's comments. Staff, players and fans usually think the ref is an idiot/world is against them/whatever. Almost(?) all managers do it.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitio...

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hibe...

A quick google of any manager's name with "referee criticism" or something shows that.

Is it perhaps because it's Rangers, you're getting all uppity? wink
Uppity? laugh

Week one and you've already gone all tit for tat and trying to drag up old stuff and starting it's only because it's Rangers nonsense? Really?

Aberdeen v Rangers was the biggest game in the league this week. Gerrard's pathetic rant is the biggest talking point of the weekend. Why try to divert attention from current matters?

It wasn't a clear cut scoring opportunity as he wasn't even favourite to get the ball. If he knew he was getting the ball not a chance that slight tug would have seen him throw himself to the ground. Again there should never have been a goalscoring chance as the game should have been stopped for offside.

You see no difference in managers, who've managed for years taking, talking about specific incidents in specific games, and a manager one game into the season moaning the whole world is against Rangers and it's been happening for years?

It doesn't help that to play the victim you're all managing to ignore the massive error that went Rangers way and the red card is a justified red card. There is no actual basis for his desperate sounding rant.

Rangers were not the victims of a vendetta or even poor officiating. They benefited by getting a penalty for their goal.

I await your next daft excuse.


Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 7th August 13:21

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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Driver101 said:
Uppity? laugh

Week one and you've already gone all tit for tat and trying to drag up old stuff and starting it's only because it's Rangers nonsense? Really?

Aberdeen v Rangers was the biggest game in the league this week. Gerrard's pathetic rant is the biggest talking point of the weekend. Why try to divert attention from current matters?

It wasn't a clear cut scoring opportunity as he wasn't even favourite to get the ball. If he knew he was getting the ball not a chance that slight tug would have seen him throw himself to the ground. Again there should never have been a goalscoring chance as the game should have been stopped for offside.

You see no difference in managers, who've managed for years taking, talking about specific incidents in specific games, and a manager one game into the season moaning the whole world is against Rangers and it's been happening for years?

It doesn't help that to play the victim you're all managing to ignore the massive error that went Rangers way and the red card is a justified red card. There is no actual basis for his desperate sounding rant.

Rangers were not the victims of poor officiating. They benefited by getting a penalty for their goal.

I await your next daft excuse.

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 7th August 12:49
As I said, I think it was a clear goal scoring opportunity but I’m happy to accept that you disagree. Clearly SG disagreed too and this contributed to his comments about officiating.

I could make further comment about refs’ previous and ongoing failure to protect players such as Ryan Jack (MotM who was potentially concussed on Sunday and taken to hospital after an unpunished foul by Stevie May, who was playing his first league game after being injured in another unpunished dangerous foul by a Motherwell(?) player last season... the same Ryan Jack that was repeatedly shown unwarranted red cards last season...) but you’d say I was just making excuses!

I think of SG’s - or any manager’s - refereeing comments as a side show and my focus is always on the football. Those comments from a few months ago were to show referee criticism is standard fayre and par for the course.

Celtic don’t seem any stronger in terms of personnel this year yet - business to come? Arguably weaker with the loss of Armstrong, Roberts.
Aberdeen are weaker - McInnes looking for some business too.
Rangers are stronger - just signed a very good player this morning in Barisic. Could do with a forward player with real quality to match out defensive additions.
Hibs are weaker - McGinn away too now? See he’s at Villa for talks. Lennon seems to have done well to galvanise what could’ve been a real exodus.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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simoid said:
As I said, I think it was a clear goal scoring opportunity but I’m happy to accept that you disagree. Clearly SG disagreed too and this contributed to his comments about officiating.

I could make further comment about refs’ previous and ongoing failure to protect players such as Ryan Jack (MotM who was potentially concussed on Sunday and taken to hospital after an unpunished foul by Stevie May, who was playing his first league game after being injured in another unpunished dangerous foul by a Motherwell(?) player last season... the same Ryan Jack that was repeatedly shown unwarranted red cards last season...) but you’d say I was just making excuses!

I think of SG’s - or any manager’s - refereeing comments as a side show and my focus is always on the football. Those comments from a few months ago were to show referee criticism is standard fayre and par for the course.

Celtic don’t seem any stronger in terms of personnel this year yet - business to come? Arguably weaker with the loss of Armstrong, Roberts.
Aberdeen are weaker - McInnes looking for some business too.
Rangers are stronger - just signed a very good player this morning in Barisic. Could do with a forward player with real quality to match out defensive additions.
Hibs are weaker - McGinn away too now? See he’s at Villa for talks. Lennon seems to have done well to galvanise what could’ve been a real exodus.
Stevie May gave Jack a good thump in the back. He knew what he was doing and he did win the ball. I'd bet every supporter of every team would be happy if their player got stuck in like that. It wasn't that big a deal at all and happens a lot. I didn't see what was severe enough to merit a hospital visit.

Jack was out of control a lot of last season. I know he got a few red cards a couple were withdrawn. I can't remember specifics to offer an opinion.

Armstrong and Roberts didn't contribute much at Celtic last year. Edouard looks much improved already this season. It's a lot of money to spend in Scottish football.

I'm sure with all the young French players progressing it will improve Celtic over last year. Dembele is looking a bit too injury prone though. He struggled with injury too much last season and is injured again now.

Aberdeen do need to invest. They've lost a few key players and I was surprised how bad they were on Sunday. Maybe they did give too much against Burnley who they did push close? It's been really disappointing how poor Stevie May has been. He looked a good player before going down south.

I don't think Hibs are weaker. The McGinn situation is a big one though. Hibs can't really afford to lose him for nothing and he will be a miss. They've still managed to resist offers, but the Villa one surprises me. They are in a financial mess. If they don't get out of the Championship this season they will be hit with huge financial fair play fines that will quite possibly see them go bust.

Some people have suggested Hearts will also do really well this season. I've not seen thwm yet other than Sportscene.

I don't know about Rangers. Firing in so many new players and so many loan signings in I don't think can be good. I also don't understand how Rangers can fund all these signings given their poor financial position?

I thought Gerrard would bring something new to Rangers. He's instantly showing the same brittle mentality as those who have come before.

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 7th August 14:26

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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Levein and Lennon certainly can set a team up effectively. Early signs are that Gerrard and his staff can too. Hearts have more new signings than anyone else I think.

I have no concern about volume of new signings as we needed them and we’ve largely hurdled the early challenges. Much more to come though.

The loan players I think are as good or better as who we had already: Coulibaly a combative box-box CM, Kent a winger with something about him, this chap nicknamed “The Flute” up front who can’t be any worse than Herrera!? McGregor, Arfield, Flanagan, Goldson all look from the early signs to be very positive contributors.



Bit of money to be made for anyone fancying Hibs/Aberdeen...!

bluejj

182 posts

230 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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FN2TypeR said:
Bigot FC and their deluded fans deserve all they get, fk them.
There you are, the stereotypical response from a hater, the worst kind, ie the one who genuinely believes what he says.

The sweeping statement you’ve made about a whole section of the community sums you up. You will see a bigot every morning when you wake up and look in the mirror. You really do make my point rather well for that I thank you.


JuniorD

8,616 posts

222 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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simoid said:
Levein and Lennon certainly can set a team up effectively. Early signs are that Gerrard and his staff can too. Hearts have more new signings than anyone else I think.

I have no concern about volume of new signings as we needed them and we’ve largely hurdled the early challenges. Much more to come though.

The loan players I think are as good or better as who we had already: Coulibaly a combative box-box CM, Kent a winger with something about him, this chap nicknamed “The Flute” up front who can’t be any worse than Herrera!? McGregor, Arfield, Flanagan, Goldson all look from the early signs to be very positive contributors.



Bit of money to be made for anyone fancying Hibs/Aberdeen...!
I would go with that assessment and table. Watching Aberdeen against Burnley it thought it boded well for them, but of course a summer's evening on a beautiful surface against decent opposition is quite far removed from an SPL hackfest. I think Aberdeen will do well to stay ahead of Hibs especially if Hibs play as well as they can week after week.

Speaking of hackfests, what do the Aberdeen faithful make of Graeme Shinnie? When he gets the ball, it usually results in something impotent, and when he hasn't got the ball, it usually results in a yellow card. CAn you confirm that "shinnie" is Scots-gaelic for "disappointing" hehe ?

I can't wait until he meets Scott Brown again after last seasons handbags.

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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“Shinnie” is what happens when he attempts a volley...

I’ve not seen him this season, but when we signed Jack a year ago I thought Shinnie was probably the better of the pair. Jack has been very very good so far this season though - perhaps benefiting from the illustrious centre mid coaching staff.

abzmike

8,241 posts

105 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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Aberdeen look weaker... Defensively I think they are ok, but little creativity and no striker... Still some time though. some time for Celtic to bring in a couple too - Defence is still suspect, and I don't expect Boyata or Simunovic to be any more reliable or fitter than last season. Ajer looks a good prospect, Hendrie too, but they will need time. Dembele looks fragile and too often disappears in a game. Eduoard and Griff - if fit - could be a deadly combination. As for Rangers, well they are clearly better - they could hardly be worse - with some decent additions. But it's going to be a long old season for StevieG if he gets as bent out of shape after every game as he did on Sunday.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

155 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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simoid said:


Bit of money to be made for anyone fancying Hibs/Aberdeen...!
Will be interesting to review after the window shuts.

Looks like Hibs could lose a key player, while Aberdeen bring in a couple.

I don't think Mckenna will move this window after getting injured at the weekend.

Drive Blind

5,076 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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bluejj said:
It’s utterly staggering the amount of hatred you lot have for a football club and it’s supporters. This forum is supposedly about Scottish football, you’d be better calling it the let’s have a moan about everything rangers......... It’s always all about the rangers.
The comments from Gerrard were out of order, so I called him out on it. If that make me a rangers 'hater' then so be it.

1 league game and he's questioning the integrity of the all the officials in the scottish game. Not just in sundays game but going back 'years'. That should be a 'bringing the game into disrepute' charge, right there.

The liquidation of Rangers is the biggest story in scottish football, so gets a lot of focus and I imagine will continue to be for some time. Due to the same club, relegation myth reported by the media and the confidential detail of the agreement to allow the new Rangers back into the SFL in 2012.





bluejj

182 posts

230 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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You didn’t call anyone out sunshine, you like everyone else had a rant on an Internet forum .

This constant ranting and raving about Rangers is tiresome, this forum is dead (waits on the zombie/sevco jibes) unless there is a negative story about them.

We’ve had a decent week of European football the first set of decent results for a long time and all you lot seem to care about is seizing on the words used by a clearly hacked off manager.

We could have a decent season ahead of us and have the potential to raise the profile of our game and possibly attract more investment, but it seems that some of you would rather speak negatively about Rangers that speak positively about your own clubs.

It’s quite sad really.




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simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 8th August 2018
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112507

It appears we were wrong: Morelos shouldn’t have been sent off. Rangers should not have been reduced to 10 men for the vast majority of the march.

Have any other teams had quite as many successful red card appeals as Rangers in the last year or so? Perhaps there is a trend.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Wednesday 8th August 2018
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simoid said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112507

It appears we were wrong: Morelos shouldn’t have been sent off. Rangers should not have been reduced to 10 men for the vast majority of the march.

Have any other teams had quite as many successful red card appeals as Rangers in the last year or so? Perhaps there is a trend.
Get away with that garbage.

That kick merited a red. It's really hard to argue against it and to go as far as overturning it really undermines the authority of the refs who were actually right. It's a shocking decision.

If anything overturning that decision and not charging Gerrard for his comments shows favouritism towards Rangers.


simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 8th August 2018
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Driver101 said:
Get away with that garbage.

That kick merited a red. It's really hard to argue against it and to go as far as overturning it really undermines the authority of the refs who were actually right. It's a shocking decision.

If anything overturning that decision and not charging Gerrard for his comments shows favouritism towards Rangers.
There you go with your uppity behaviour again - you in charge of the laws of the game now? First goal scoring opportunities and now red cards?

What did Gerrard say that merited punishment?

JuniorD

8,616 posts

222 months

Wednesday 8th August 2018
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I wonder on what grounds it was downgraded to yellow, and will we ever find out.

Personally I think it was red - Morelos kicked out - however I dislike shoulder barging of any type, but particularly off the ball like this which has nothing to do with anything other than the Scott McKenna blatantly acting the .
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