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dalzo

1,875 posts

135 months

Wednesday 19th January 2022
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abzmike said:
? ... Hedges chips the ball over McGregor, who catches Hedges leg, knocking hin over and preventing him reaching the ball - Which part of that isn't a penalty?
To help, here it is from every angle... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/60056208
Imo the contact was a fraction outside the box, hedges chip wasn’t going in and with his little pirouette he wasn’t getting to the ball at the other side before barasic.

hotchy said:
Wow even boyd said it was a clear penalty. The most biased rangers commentator at sky. To blame that draw on the ref is beyond comical. That ref litterly kept you in the game. With VAR thats a penalty and a red card.
Must have been watching a different commentary from me , he said he could see why it would be given but also why it wasn’t which I agree with. It was a major close call.
I also didn’t say the referee was to blame for the draw did I? Rangers deserved what they got and as my previous post said I thought it was down to gio’s tactics and team selection and that we should have had enough to see them off.

The ref didn’t keep us in the game laugh he sent off Kent for two rediculous yellow cards and then put us down to 9 men after barasic was elbowed twice in the face 6 feet from the linesman while Aberdeen were attacking.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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The contact was clearly inside the box. It's a penalty.

Kent was sent off in the 83rd minute. It has little affect on the game. As Foster pointed out on Sportscene it suited Rangers going defensive as they were under pressure.

Handbags nearly always result in two yellow cards. Reference Barasic getting Ginnelly sent off the other week. Hayes and Kent got yellows in similar circumstances. It happens very regularly in football.

Interesting points in the Daily Record. They didn't think Kent deserved a yellow in the first incident. They highlighted Kent went in with the studs up in the second and see why it was deemed dangerous and a yellow.

For all the years I've been watching football I don't recall so many attacks on a referee ever. Rangers fans reactions to everything is massively over the top. It's the Aberdeen fans that have more reason to be aggrieved. They are angry, but I've never seen a reaction as bad as Rangers.






Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 20th January 00:42

hotchy

4,454 posts

125 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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dalzo said:
abzmike said:
? ... Hedges chips the ball over McGregor, who catches Hedges leg, knocking hin over and preventing him reaching the ball - Which part of that isn't a penalty?
To help, here it is from every angle... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/60056208
Imo the contact was a fraction outside the box, hedges chip wasn’t going in and with his little pirouette he wasn’t getting to the ball at the other side before barasic.

hotchy said:
Wow even boyd said it was a clear penalty. The most biased rangers commentator at sky. To blame that draw on the ref is beyond comical. That ref litterly kept you in the game. With VAR thats a penalty and a red card.
Must have been watching a different commentary from me , he said he could see why it would be given but also why it wasn’t which I agree with. It was a major close call.
I also didn’t say the referee was to blame for the draw did I? Rangers deserved what they got and as my previous post said I thought it was down to gio’s tactics and team selection and that we should have had enough to see them off.

The ref didn’t keep us in the game laugh he sent off Kent for two rediculous yellow cards and then put us down to 9 men after barasic was elbowed twice in the face 6 feet from the linesman while Aberdeen were attacking.
Sending a man off the park because he's covered in blood is the correct call. Thats the rules. Not a "it doesn't suit us" rule. Shouldn't have took Scott brown telling the ref about it for him to notice.

Kents second yellow was clear as day. First one was soft, but so are many yellows these days. Aberdeen had more potential game changing calls against them than rangers did.

Penalty, clearly in the box. Dress it up however you want it was clear as day.
Hit was inside the box clearly. Just because you support rangers, doesn't mean your eyes are different. As the replay pauses he is in the box with mcreggors leg hitting the Aberdeen players leg. At speed easily enough to knock someone over as it did. Rangers have had penaltys for less. Kents a prime example a few games ago. Rangers fans zooming into to see the toe touch but can't see mcgreggors full leg hitting the Aberdeen players. Pure and utter bias.

Did the ref and lineman miss the elbow? Yes. Did he mean the elbow? No. Made himself big to shield the ball. Still a foul. The ref couldn't see a slight elbow was no suprise after he missed mcgreggor taking the last man out 1 on 1 though. As rangers fans have said "decisions even themselves out over the year" or does that only count when its rangers getting the decisions?

Overall id rate the refs performance 7/10. Apart from missing the clear as day penalty, he managed to call most things correctly so I don't see the reason for the outrage.

CSK423

761 posts

206 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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It should've been an Aberdeen penalty and mcgregor would've been given a yellow (goldson was close to covering). Mcgregor does clip him but is it enough to bring him down as he's already turning. Always open to debate and maybe that's what the ref based it on.

Aberdeen penalty is a pen, push on Barisic before it by Ferguson could be deemed a foul but in short Borna needs to be stronger. Did Morelos make himself bigger, that's what the ref has made the decision on and deemed he had.

Penalty should've been retaken the ball moved.

Kent Yellow, he wasn't getting booked but pushed Hayes which made the ref's mind up.

Elbow on Barisic is not meant but is a foul, probably not worthy of a Yellow, that was missed.
Barisic showed the ref his bloody nose at this point. It wasn't till later that he was asked to leave the pitch, not sure why not asked on the initial contact.

Kent second yellow is a harsh foul but still a foul (brown was smart) not a bookable offence though.

Clancy was card happy, not checked the stats but I think we got to 4 cards for each team possibly more. He tried to control the game with cards which didn't work and when you get to those numbers there is a real risk of a booking which normally isn't a booking and a Red.

Rangers were poor, Aberdeen pinned them in and couldn't get out. 4 1st team midfielders missing for rangers.

The ref didn't cost either team the game but Clancy had a poor game with poor decision making along with being card happy.


Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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The attention to things like the ball moving at the penalty is crazy. That is being used to claim Clancy is a biased cheat. I bet nobody noticed the ball moved until the third slow motion replay and the commentator pointing it out.

Ferguson didn't try to gain an unfair advantage by taking a kick with the ball still in motion. It was placed on the penalty spot normally and a gust of wind moved it at the last second. The ball moving was a hindrance to him. It wasn't an advantage.

To make such a big deal over such a trivial incident, ignore the big calls that went Rangers' way, and turn it into a campaign against the referee I find incredible.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Strange how controversy surrounds Rangers on penalties, referee decisions, etc., no matter who they play.

abzmike

8,241 posts

105 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Edinburger said:
Strange how controversy surrounds Rangers on penalties, referee decisions, etc., no matter who they play.
Strange how controversy surrounds Rangers on penalties, referee decisions, etc., no matter who they play.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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abzmike said:
Edinburger said:
Strange how controversy surrounds Rangers on penalties, referee decisions, etc., no matter who they play.
Strange how controversy surrounds Rangers on penalties, referee decisions, etc., no matter who they play.
Agreed!!

CSK423

761 posts

206 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Driver101 said:
The attention to things like the ball moving at the penalty is crazy. That is being used to claim Clancy is a biased cheat. I bet nobody noticed the ball moved until the third slow motion replay and the commentator pointing it out.

Ferguson didn't try to gain an unfair advantage by taking a kick with the ball still in motion. It was placed on the penalty spot normally and a gust of wind moved it at the last second. The ball moving was a hindrance to him. It wasn't an advantage.

To make such a big deal over such a trivial incident, ignore the big calls that went Rangers' way, and turn it into a campaign against the referee I find incredible.
I made no reference to it having an impact on the game. The laws of the game state it’s a retake. It’s a poor decision by the ref. Doesn’t matter if he seen it or not he enforces the laws of the game and he missed it. Simple as that.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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CSK423 said:
I made no reference to it having an impact on the game. The laws of the game state it’s a retake. It’s a poor decision by the ref. Doesn’t matter if he seen it or not he enforces the laws of the game and he missed it. Simple as that.
He can't enforce something he didn't see. It's not a poor decision when it's something he didn't see.

A gust of wind moved the ball a few inches. It's not something that you expect to see or concentrate on .

The ball rolled a few inches and I doubt anyone noticed until the slow motion replays and the commentator pointed it out. None of the Rangers players complained it moved which they would have if they noticed.

The referee and linesman have to keep an eye on so many things happening like the keeper moving or encroachment. To call not noticing the ball moving a couple of inches a poor decision is unjust.

The people that are saying it was a big mistake/bias/cheating are clutching at straws. To question the integrity of a referee on the basis on that is mental.

Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 20th January 21:11

CSK423

761 posts

206 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Driver101 said:
CSK423 said:
I made no reference to it having an impact on the game. The laws of the game state it’s a retake. It’s a poor decision by the ref. Doesn’t matter if he seen it or not he enforces the laws of the game and he missed it. Simple as that.
He can't enforce something he didn't see. It's not a poor decision when it's something he didn't see.

A gust of wind moved the ball a few inches. It's not something that you expect to see or concentrate on .

The ball rolled a few inches and I doubt anyone noticed until the slow motion replays and the commentator pointed it out. None of the Rangers players complained it moved which they would have if they noticed.

The referee and linesman have to keep an eye on so many things happening like the keeper moving or encroachment. To call not noticing the ball moving a couple of inches a poor decision is unjust.

The people that are saying it was a big mistake/bias/cheating are clutching at straws. To question the integrity of a referee on the basis on that is mental.

Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 20th January 21:11
I’m not sure what you’ve read but I merely stated a fact, the ball moved the ref and linesman missed it, laws of the game are it’s a retake. It’s quiet simple really. Spin whatever way you want by what you’ve read elsewhere.

It’s an error let’s all move on now.


hongkongdonkey

568 posts

141 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Clancy is just a poor referee. He doesn't let the game flow which normally leads to a poor game and he seems to miss quite a lot of incidents for a top official. I think most fans will accept some mistakes but they expect a referee to at least be consistent.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Not the first time Hibs have knocked a Rangers team out of the cup… wink

abzmike

8,241 posts

105 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Edinburger said:
Not the first time Hibs have knocked a Rangers team out of the cup… wink
Never in doubt eh?

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Hibs were lacking tonight. At least the goal from the first half didn't define the game.

Looks like Boyle is going this time. Today shows how you need him.

Edinburger

10,403 posts

167 months

Friday 21st January 2022
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abzmike said:
Edinburger said:
Not the first time Hibs have knocked a Rangers team out of the cup… wink
Never in doubt eh?
Driver101 said:
Hibs were lacking tonight. At least the goal from the first half didn't define the game.

Looks like Boyle is going this time. Today shows how you need him.
Never in doubt? Not quite!

Poor performance in the main last night. Cadden and Mueller were good. Henderson too. A few others, but a lot just wasn't right last night.

On the Boyle point yes we missed him a lot last night. But if we get the reported £2.5m-£3m we can buy a few decent players to replace one.

It's beyond me why we didn't play our most creative player - Scott Allan - last night too. Questionable decisions.

DocJock

8,341 posts

239 months

Friday 21st January 2022
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Driver101 said:
Hibs were lacking tonight. At least the goal from the first half didn't define the game.

Looks like Boyle is going this time. Today shows how you need him.
We'll certainly struggle to replace him.

Can't really blame the guy if, as being reported, he's being offered a "life changing contract".

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Friday 21st January 2022
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DocJock said:
We'll certainly struggle to replace him.

Can't really blame the guy if, as being reported, he's being offered a "life changing contract".
He's coming up 29 and hasn't earned that much money in his football career. A football career is short and I can see why he would want to set up his family for life.

I'm not sure about going to Saudi Arabia.

DocJock

8,341 posts

239 months

Friday 21st January 2022
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Driver101 said:
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I'm not sure about going to Saudi Arabia.
Aye. That's one for his conscience....

dalzo

1,875 posts

135 months

Friday 21st January 2022
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Good move for all parties, 2-3m for him is a good fee and he sets himself up for life.

Looks like rangers have held talks with the sfa after the Aberdeen refereeing performance.
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