The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 6]

The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 6]

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57Ford

4,036 posts

134 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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BBC are reporting Chelsea have agreed a fee for Morata. Hope that doesn't come back to bite us with him being the major difference just for the sake of an extra few million.

gadgetmac

14,984 posts

108 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Just read a report that if Shaw doesn't impress this season we'll enquire after Danny Rose next summer.

That ain't happening.

We burnt our bridges with Levy over Berba. I doubt we'll even get their tea lady so long as he's in charge over there. He wouldn't parlez over Bale or more recently Dier but he will sell to City. Still, we're in good company as he won't talk to Chelsea either after the Willian thing.

Gone a bit AMG

6,713 posts

197 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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gadgetmac said:
Just read a report that if Shaw doesn't impress this season we'll enquire after Danny Rose next summer.

That ain't happening.

We burnt our bridges with Levy over Berba. I doubt we'll even get their tea lady so long as he's in charge over there. He wouldn't parlez over Bale or more recently Dier but he will sell to City. Still, we're in good company as he won't talk to Chelsea either after the Willian thing.
The Shaw of the few games pre leg break is still in there. Valencia got patience from the club with a similarly severe injury. I hope Shaw comes good.

As for Dier feels like the Carrick signing. That turned out okay. We've still got Carrick. No rush

57Ford

4,036 posts

134 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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I'd have thought the Matic deal was the more likely now Chelsea have bought a replacement. As I've said, I'd rather get Dier but if Levy truly won't entertain a deal I suppose Matic is better than an aging Carrick for next season.
I'd put either at the base of a triangle with PP and Harry in front buzzing about wherever they like in front (with one eye on defending between them). With a front 3 of Rash(Martial), Rom(Rash) and Miki(Mata) we'd have loads of movement and still plenty width and cover behind.

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Agreed.

I've no interest at all in buying any of those Spuds. All massively overrated and massively overpriced.

Dier is bang average and would still cost tens of millions.

Rose is slightly better than bang average and would cost the Earth.

If we are so desperate that we will play top dollar for those kind of players just because they are at a decent PL side already, our whole scouting staff needs the bullet!

GTO-3R

7,480 posts

213 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Jose doesn't promote youth.... hehe




Black can man

31,838 posts

168 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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GTO-3R said:
Jose doesn't promote youth.... hehe



This is indeed encouraging but I'd like to see the breakdown of appearances in which competitions , I can't believe that Utd lead the way promoting youth in premier league appearances. More likely they were used for the lesser competitions , happy to be proved wrong though.

London424

12,829 posts

175 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Black can man said:
GTO-3R said:
Jose doesn't promote youth.... hehe



This is indeed encouraging but I'd like to see the breakdown of appearances in which competitions , I can't believe that Utd lead the way promoting youth in premier league appearances. More likely they were used for the lesser competitions , happy to be proved wrong though.
If you dig into it, what it'll show is that United grads played more top flight minutes than any other...but they will be at other clubs.

Last season will probably be a bit of anomaly for Jose as there were lots of injuries so some kids did get used. The number will keep dropping the longer he's there as he'll just keep buying players in.

GTO-3R

7,480 posts

213 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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London424 said:
If you dig into it, what it'll show is that United grads played more top flight minutes than any other...but they will be at other clubs.

Last season will probably be a bit of anomaly for Jose as there were lots of injuries so some kids did get used. The number will keep dropping the longer he's there as he'll just keep buying players in.
No, he won't just keep buying players in. Tuanzebe, Pereira and Fosu-Mensah will all get more game time this year and so will Rashford and Lingard. That's 5 that will be playing this season with Gomez and Mitchell not far behind!

How many of the other top 6 clubs have that many playing or even near playing? City & Chelsea won't have any, yet it's ok for them.


Edited by GTO-3R on Thursday 20th July 10:51

likesachange

2,631 posts

194 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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GTO-3R said:
No, he won't just keep buying players in. Tuanzebe, Pereira and Fosu-Mensah will all get more game time this year and so will Rashford and Lingard. That's 5 that will be playing this season with Gomez and Mitchell not far behind!

How many of the other top 6 clubs have that many playing or even near playing? City & Chelsea won't have any, yet it's ok for them.


Edited by GTO-3R on Thursday 20th July 10:51
Would definitely like to see Gomez get some more game time, from the very little I have seen he looks uber confident and skilful.

m3sye

26,231 posts

201 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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was you not playing your youth for full 90mins in the last few games last year as he stopped paying attention to the prem ?? no fking wonder they have more minutes idea

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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m3sye said:
was you not playing your youth for full 90mins in the last few games last year as he stopped paying attention to the prem ?? no fking wonder they have more minutes idea
No, we weren't.

The only game that had an extraordinary number of youth players was the last game of the season against Palace. Tuanzabe started against Soton, Spurs & Arsenal but that's it.

franki68

10,393 posts

221 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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fair play to madrid getting near 100m for 2 reserve players.

A frustrating transfer window for premier league clubs at the moment,not getting who they want,overpaying for who they do get.

It's all a bit mad.


m3sye

26,231 posts

201 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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franki68 said:
fair play to madrid getting near 100m for 2 reserve players.

A frustrating transfer window for premier league clubs at the moment,not getting who they want,overpaying for who they do get.

It's all a bit mad.
I am pretty sure Chelsea have only paid 56m up front and rest is paid on x x x - that is not dear for Morata

franki68

10,393 posts

221 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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m3sye said:
franki68 said:
fair play to madrid getting near 100m for 2 reserve players.

A frustrating transfer window for premier league clubs at the moment,not getting who they want,overpaying for who they do get.

It's all a bit mad.
I am pretty sure Chelsea have only paid 56m up front and rest is paid on x x x - that is not dear for Morata
Yes I forgot the rules ,when united buy someone the price is including all the add ons , when other teams buy someone the price people talk about excludes add ons.
Hence when people talk about how much the team costs it is with every add on for every player included .

But no not dear in context of some of the deals.


Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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franki68 said:
m3sye said:
franki68 said:
fair play to madrid getting near 100m for 2 reserve players.

A frustrating transfer window for premier league clubs at the moment,not getting who they want,overpaying for who they do get.

It's all a bit mad.
I am pretty sure Chelsea have only paid 56m up front and rest is paid on x x x - that is not dear for Morata
Yes I forgot the rules ,when united buy someone the price is including all the add ons , when other teams buy someone the price people talk about excludes add ons.
Hence when people talk about how much the team costs it is with every add on for every player included .

But no not dear in context of some of the deals.
Different rules apply to United for everything. Youth minutes, transfer fees, trophies etc etc.

Staggering.

Gone a bit AMG

6,713 posts

197 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Alpinestars said:
franki68 said:
m3sye said:
franki68 said:
fair play to madrid getting near 100m for 2 reserve players.

A frustrating transfer window for premier league clubs at the moment,not getting who they want,overpaying for who they do get.

It's all a bit mad.
I am pretty sure Chelsea have only paid 56m up front and rest is paid on x x x - that is not dear for Morata
Yes I forgot the rules ,when united buy someone the price is including all the add ons , when other teams buy someone the price people talk about excludes add ons.
Hence when people talk about how much the team costs it is with every add on for every player included .

But no not dear in context of some of the deals.
Different rules apply to United for everything. Youth minutes, transfer fees, trophies etc etc.

Staggering.
As is our arrogance as fans. Been a few days since that old chestnut been thrown out.

Still hated or adored we're never ignored.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Alpinestars said:
Different rules apply to United for everything. Youth minutes, transfer fees, trophies etc etc.

Staggering.
Come on, surely you accept that now.

Them's the rules.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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With Sye's recent record for accuracy if he told me Fire Engines were red I'd have to go and double check

m3sye

26,231 posts

201 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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franki68 said:
Yes I forgot the rules ,when united buy someone the price is including all the add ons , when other teams buy someone the price people talk about excludes add ons.
Hence when people talk about how much the team costs it is with every add on for every player included .

But no not dear in context of some of the deals.
To me its always the lower amount - unless you hit the x y z stipulations

I believe you were quoted more for Morata? could be wrong though as Keyser says not everything I read is true, luckily I have wet dream Keyser to keep me in line...
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