The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 12]
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jammy-git said:
If Origi wants more game time then he can step up and show us that he deserves that game time in the squad.
I agree with you on Sturridge, IF we buy another striker then I'm more than happy to sell him.
I wouldn't sell both though, I don't see why would would?
If we were to buy a striker. And I honestly don't believe we bid 100 million just for laughs. Then Origi falls behind Firmino and a new striker. He simply isn't going to get the pitch time he craves. I actually think he'll push for the move. I agree with you on Sturridge, IF we buy another striker then I'm more than happy to sell him.
I wouldn't sell both though, I don't see why would would?
RedTrident said:
If we were to buy a striker. And I honestly don't believe we bid 100 million just for laughs. Then Origi falls behind Firmino and a new striker. He simply isn't going to get the pitch time he craves. I actually think he'll push for the move.
I'd agree with that - if we really did shell out big dollars on a new striker. Would certainly be a statement of intent. Sturridge would be a good "last 20 minutes" option maybe. Origi never seems to impress when used as a sub, I think (and rarely impressed at all last season).jammy-git said:
Really? I think the only times he's impressed me was when Origi came on as a sub.
I could quite easily be wrong. My CFS screws with my memory a bit so remembering anything sometimes is a trial 
But I think he let himself down overall last season. Seemed to start well and by the end of the season seemed to do nothing when coming on. Mind you, the team was generally pants after xmas... But remembering after we signed him and loaned him back to a French club, I'm pretty sure he underperformed there and gave the impression he was off to better things and couldn't be bothered.Perhaps he just doesn't knuckle down and work.
Flip Martian said:
But remembering after we signed him and loaned him back to a French club, I'm pretty sure he underperformed there and gave the impression he was off to better things and couldn't be bothered.
Perhaps he just doesn't knuckle down and work.
It might well be he isn't that good generally, rather than not bothering too. He seems to put in some effort, but he's never properly shown that killer instinct on goal to me. Sturridge for all his injuries always seems to know where the goal is. Then we had Suarez who was world class. So compared to them a lot of strikers would struggle relatively, and hence Origi not looking great. He also needs to get in the box - that was a general thing for a lot of our players last season, we often had no one in the box to cross to or to get poacher goals.Perhaps he just doesn't knuckle down and work.
NRS said:
It might well be he isn't that good generally, rather than not bothering too. He seems to put in some effort, but he's never properly shown that killer instinct on goal to me. Sturridge for all his injuries always seems to know where the goal is. Then we had Suarez who was world class. So compared to them a lot of strikers would struggle relatively, and hence Origi not looking great. He also needs to get in the box - that was a general thing for a lot of our players last season, we often had no one in the box to cross to or to get poacher goals.
I agree with much of that - but I've seen Origi score some belters from tight angles and on the odd occasion, really show he knows how to finish (unlike Sterling for example, who looked like it was a fluke if he ever scored). Consistency is just not there though, for whatever reason.Flip Martian said:
NRS said:
It might well be he isn't that good generally, rather than not bothering too. He seems to put in some effort, but he's never properly shown that killer instinct on goal to me. Sturridge for all his injuries always seems to know where the goal is. Then we had Suarez who was world class. So compared to them a lot of strikers would struggle relatively, and hence Origi not looking great. He also needs to get in the box - that was a general thing for a lot of our players last season, we often had no one in the box to cross to or to get poacher goals.
I agree with much of that - but I've seen Origi score some belters from tight angles and on the odd occasion, really show he knows how to finish (unlike Sterling for example, who looked like it was a fluke if he ever scored). Consistency is just not there though, for whatever reason.NRS said:
Yes, sorry, should have made it clear he is not on the Sterling level! Just he seems to perhaps need enough chances to score them, or perhaps he would be better playing off someone as 2 up front, or perhaps just a confidence player.
Yeah he might just not like playing 1 up frontm who knows. I guess we'll all know more over the next few weeks...I just don't think we ever made an offer of 100m for Mbappe. Even if it was just an 'enquiry', I don't think that even happened. It was simply a story made up in my view by some Marca jounalist and a couple of broadsheets/Echo just wanted to be seduced. Liverpool transfer stories sell. Period.
I remember the Pogba transfer last year. Klopp come out and said: "The day that this is football, I’m not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together. Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.”
100m on single player isn't Klopp's way. In my view it shouldn't even be his 1st or 2nd priority right now. 50-60m on a top quality defender should be his next sole aim.
I remember the Pogba transfer last year. Klopp come out and said: "The day that this is football, I’m not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together. Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.”
100m on single player isn't Klopp's way. In my view it shouldn't even be his 1st or 2nd priority right now. 50-60m on a top quality defender should be his next sole aim.
type-r said:
I just don't think we ever made an offer of 100m for Mbappe. Even if it was just an 'enquiry', I don't think that even happened. It was simply a story made up in my view by some Marca jounalist and a couple of broadsheets/Echo just wanted to be seduced. Liverpool transfer stories sell. Period.
I remember the Pogba transfer last year. Klopp come out and said: "The day that this is football, I’m not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together. Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.”
100m on single player isn't Klopp's way. In my view it shouldn't even be his 1st or 2nd priority right now. 50-60m on a top quality defender should be his next sole aim.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Mbappe story was nonsense for the reasons you say. However the latter part is just nice words, but doesn't seem to be real. If the VvD stories are true (of which at least part of it is since the club publicly apologised) then we were going to spend around £20M less than United did on Pogba. Where does the cut-off appear in terms of not spending "more money and collecting top players" if £70M is ok? That would have been around double our record transfer fee, albeit not adjusted for inflation - and assumes the £70 million was the real figure which could also be nonsense.I remember the Pogba transfer last year. Klopp come out and said: "The day that this is football, I’m not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together. Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.”
100m on single player isn't Klopp's way. In my view it shouldn't even be his 1st or 2nd priority right now. 50-60m on a top quality defender should be his next sole aim.
I guess we also do not know what the true figure for VvD was. Some reports were 50. Than increased to 60. Then 70 was touted towards the end. Ultimately he were to go for 50 given the lack of market supply currently for top quality defenders, 50 would for me represent good figure. Very good in fact.
My guess is that we will see VvD in a red shirt before the window closes. It could get ugly with VvD having to force a transfer through and Liverpool offering a somewhere closer to 50 than 70. They are simply taking a timeout and letting the dust settle with VvD being informed indirectly - Just a hunch though.
My guess is that we will see VvD in a red shirt before the window closes. It could get ugly with VvD having to force a transfer through and Liverpool offering a somewhere closer to 50 than 70. They are simply taking a timeout and letting the dust settle with VvD being informed indirectly - Just a hunch though.
type-r said:
I guess we also do not know what the true figure for VvD was. Some reports were 50. Than increased to 60. Then 70 was touted towards the end. Ultimately he were to go for 50 given the lack of market supply currently for top quality defenders, 50 would for me represent good figure. Very good in fact.
My guess is that we will see VvD in a red shirt before the window closes. It could get ugly with VvD having to force a transfer through and Liverpool offering a somewhere closer to 50 than 70. They are simply taking a timeout and letting the dust settle with VvD being informed indirectly - Just a hunch though.
Whether he does or doesn't it evidently been handled very badly. Something remains broken in the transfer mechanism within the club.My guess is that we will see VvD in a red shirt before the window closes. It could get ugly with VvD having to force a transfer through and Liverpool offering a somewhere closer to 50 than 70. They are simply taking a timeout and letting the dust settle with VvD being informed indirectly - Just a hunch though.
Ex-players chiming in with opinions that other clubs' players should strike to force moves through is deplorable.
I think the older I get the less I like the workings of contemporary football.
type-r said:
I just don't think we ever made an offer of 100m for Mbappe. Even if it was just an 'enquiry', I don't think that even happened. It was simply a story made up in my view by some Marca jounalist and a couple of broadsheets/Echo just wanted to be seduced. Liverpool transfer stories sell. Period.
I remember the Pogba transfer last year. Klopp come out and said: "The day that this is football, I’m not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together. Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.”
100m on single player isn't Klopp's way. In my view it shouldn't even be his 1st or 2nd priority right now. 50-60m on a top quality defender should be his next sole aim.
Agree on the latter - but Echo usually report unsubstantiated stories as just that - unsubstantiated. This seemed to have a bit more meat on the bones. No doubt they are looking at targets in parallel too, so as long as we get that defender we need, I don't mind when it happens.I remember the Pogba transfer last year. Klopp come out and said: "The day that this is football, I’m not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together. Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.”
100m on single player isn't Klopp's way. In my view it shouldn't even be his 1st or 2nd priority right now. 50-60m on a top quality defender should be his next sole aim.
type-r said:
I guess we also do not know what the true figure for VvD was. Some reports were 50. Than increased to 60. Then 70 was touted towards the end. Ultimately he were to go for 50 given the lack of market supply currently for top quality defenders, 50 would for me represent good figure. Very good in fact.
My guess is that we will see VvD in a red shirt before the window closes. It could get ugly with VvD having to force a transfer through and Liverpool offering a somewhere closer to 50 than 70. They are simply taking a timeout and letting the dust settle with VvD being informed indirectly - Just a hunch though.
VVD has 5 years left on his contract and Saints do not want to sell. It's interesting seeing the ex Liverpool players suggest that VVD should strike to force a move and would be great to see their reaction if Liverpool players were in the same situation. Nicol and Aldridge have been outspoken and in my opinion they are letting Liverpool down by suggesting a player strikes to get a move. My guess is that we will see VvD in a red shirt before the window closes. It could get ugly with VvD having to force a transfer through and Liverpool offering a somewhere closer to 50 than 70. They are simply taking a timeout and letting the dust settle with VvD being informed indirectly - Just a hunch though.
This forum has been generally decent in it's approach and understanding of the way Liverpool FC behaved with regards to VVD and as a Saints fan I hope that we tell VVD to honour his contract which he signed. Given that football is now a business, I am sure that Liverpool will come back in for him, but the price will be high as Saints don't need the money due to the TV deal
The jiffle king said:
It's interesting seeing the ex Liverpool players suggest that VVD should strike to force a move and would be great to see their reaction if Liverpool players were in the same situation. Nicol and Aldridge have been outspoken and in my opinion they are letting Liverpool down by suggesting a player strikes to get a move.
I'm not keeping tabs on this in any way, just googled to see if it were true as it would be disappointing if it was.Aldo says he didn't suggest that.
http://www.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/aldo-i-can...
Nicol doesn't suggest that either. In fact he condemns it.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/820548/Liv...
hornetrider said:
I'm not keeping tabs on this in any way, just googled to see if it were true as it would be disappointing if it was.
Aldo says he didn't suggest that.
http://www.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/aldo-i-can...
Nicol doesn't suggest that either. In fact he condemns it.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/820548/Liv...
I have seen seen the players back track on their comments and I am sure that "tapping up" happens all the time. Given the stance Liverpool FC took, it seems that on this occasion, something was not right. Like Jammy says, if it's in everyones interests, then it will happen. Today VVD has not put in a request so he should be off limits unless Saints give access to him. Time will tell and I hope that he stays at the Saints, but sadly I have to be a realist and think he will go at the end of the windowAldo says he didn't suggest that.
http://www.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/aldo-i-can...
Nicol doesn't suggest that either. In fact he condemns it.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/820548/Liv...
The jiffle king said:
type-r said:
I guess we also do not know what the true figure for VvD was. Some reports were 50. Than increased to 60. Then 70 was touted towards the end. Ultimately he were to go for 50 given the lack of market supply currently for top quality defenders, 50 would for me represent good figure. Very good in fact.
My guess is that we will see VvD in a red shirt before the window closes. It could get ugly with VvD having to force a transfer through and Liverpool offering a somewhere closer to 50 than 70. They are simply taking a timeout and letting the dust settle with VvD being informed indirectly - Just a hunch though.
VVD has 5 years left on his contract and Saints do not want to sell. It's interesting seeing the ex Liverpool players suggest that VVD should strike to force a move and would be great to see their reaction if Liverpool players were in the same situation. Nicol and Aldridge have been outspoken and in my opinion they are letting Liverpool down by suggesting a player strikes to get a move. My guess is that we will see VvD in a red shirt before the window closes. It could get ugly with VvD having to force a transfer through and Liverpool offering a somewhere closer to 50 than 70. They are simply taking a timeout and letting the dust settle with VvD being informed indirectly - Just a hunch though.
This forum has been generally decent in it's approach and understanding of the way Liverpool FC behaved with regards to VVD and as a Saints fan I hope that we tell VVD to honour his contract which he signed. Given that football is now a business, I am sure that Liverpool will come back in for him, but the price will be high as Saints don't need the money due to the TV deal
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