Women's football does it have a future?

Women's football does it have a future?

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telecat

Original Poster:

8,528 posts

241 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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It's pushed like crazy and it's great for those who want to play but. No crowds, skill level is not high enough, interest is too low. I do not see it as viable. It has little interest beyond young women and none in older. Male interest is low. Just where does it go?

TwigtheWonderkid

43,327 posts

150 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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I thought the viewing figures for the last world cup were pretty good. It was nice to have a competitive England team.

ICallCustard

163 posts

90 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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Look at where it was 5 years ago. I think it has come on well.
Saying that you can't force the interest, as much as the media may try, but I guess this will come as teams/players become more familiar.
It does have a future though

Driver101

14,376 posts

121 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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It sounds as if it's struggling and doesn't have the appeal to remain a full time professional league. Notts County just went bust the other day.

The average crowd for a top league English game is only just over 1000.

As much as they try to pretend the quality is high it just isn't. There has been a few games between women's teams and young boy's teams and even the kids have been convincingly better.

Everything has it's place, but it's never going to be a high profile league in this country.

TEKNOPUG

18,943 posts

205 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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Birmingham played Sunderland at the weekend in the opening Super League 1 fixture. Attendance: 442.

1255 people went to watch Boston United play AFC Flyde in the 6th tier of the men's game.

So whilst it is admirable that they are pushing women's sport and participation, it's media coverage is hugely disproportionate to it's popularity.

I don't know why you'd go to watch it just because women are playing. It's a vastly inferior product. The same reason that Corby Town in the 7th tier only get 473 fans and Liverpool get 50,000.

London424

12,828 posts

175 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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It'll keep stumbling along, with the media luvvies bigging it up (while not actually paying to go and watch it of course).


Driver101

14,376 posts

121 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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Just reading the sport

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39684430

Liverpool women forgot to take their football kit and had to be loaned Yeovil's away kits.

Sounds super professional.

Russ35

2,491 posts

239 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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Driver101 said:
Just reading the sport

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39684430

Liverpool women forgot to take their football kit and had to be loaned Yeovil's away kits.

Sounds super professional.
Has happened in the men's professional game as well a few times. If I remember correctly my lot Blackpool turned up at Chesterfield without any shorts.

alanwul

120 posts

84 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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The bottom line is that Men will go in their hundreds of thousands to watch Men's professional football over any given weekend. Women will absolutely not do likewise even if they have nothing else to do. Putting aside "the beautiful game" aspect of footy, it also incorporates an aggressive, tribal rivalry that women will never buy into in more than cursory numbers. There are always exceptions to this but it just doesn't appeal to women like it does to men and never will - they have different priorities when it comes to their spare time. When was the last time you came home to find the women in your household huddled round the TV watching a game?

TwigtheWonderkid

43,327 posts

150 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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alanwul said:
When was the last time you came home to find the women in your household huddled round the TV watching a game?
Yesterday.

Wadeski

8,156 posts

213 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Will probably do better in countries where football doesnt have such a history as a men's game.

A few insignificant markets like China and the USA wink

TwigtheWonderkid

43,327 posts

150 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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One of the issues it has is that the gap between the men and the women is much wider than many other sports. A female sprinter isn't that much slower than a man, and the world's best women athletes are better than most amateur men. Serena Williams could walk into any tennis club and thrash the male pro at that club.

But a university 1st 11 would beat the England women's football team pretty easily.

But if you get past that and take it for what it is, I'm happy to watch it. The skill level isn't too bad and the commitment and determination to win is great. I played low level football for years but i never came close to doing this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/football/video-10...

technodup

7,580 posts

130 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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It's garbage. Which is fine, as long as it's not being forced on us. Like on the BBC site, where they no longer title it 'women's' football, it's just in there with the real stuff.

So sometimes you'll see 'England beat France to qualify for X' and you click it without thinking and it turns out to be some rubbish about women.

Give it a separate page where anyone nobody who actually wants to read about it can. And as for putting it on telly...

Challo

10,104 posts

155 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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It does have a future, but like anything it does take time to develop and that will take a few years yet. The main purpose is to get girls interested in playing football which the recent performance of the England team will certainly do.

It will never become as big as men's football but it correct the BBC should push it. Big issue at the moment is increasing the professional element of the game with limited sponsorship.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

233 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Serena Williams could walk into any tennis club and thrash the male pro at that club.
maybe, maybe not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_...

alanwul

120 posts

84 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
alanwul said:
When was the last time you came home to find the women in your household huddled round the TV watching a game?
Yesterday.
Check that you're actually living with women.

BeeGT

378 posts

216 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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My daughter plays football for her school and in a club within the Surrey Womens & Girls League. As others have said, the standard is, and is likely always to be, lower than the same age group amongst boys teams, but the competitiveness is fantastic. The FA experimented this year by letting some Academy-level girls teams compete within a traditionally boys league, the aim being to get the girls far more used to the physical side of the game, to learn better technique, faster decision making etc. The experience has been very successful and there have been several boys teams going home having been "beaten by a bunch of girls" and it's initiatives such as this that will help improve the standard of the women's football "product" in years to come.

I've just been looking at tickets for the final of the Women's Euros this summer in Holland. Seats on the half way line are 40Euro. For those with an interest in watching it that's an absolute bargain. We're also off to the Women's FA Cup final at Wembley in a couple of weeks, £15 per adult and kids for free. There won't be any household names but plenty of international quality players should deliver an entertaining afternoon. It costs me the same to watch Bromley FC play in the National Conference, but Bromley may one day have a trainee in their academy that sells for a £100k, and it's this player-development that most lower and non-league clubs rely on to survive, unless they have a benefactor with deep pockets.

To the OP: Women's football absolutely has a future. But it will continue to rely on an army of volunteer coaches, physios, etc at the top-level for many years to come and, unfortunately for my daughter, it will be several generations before more than a handful of teams can afford to have professional women players, and even then they will probably still be a loss making part of the business, but considered to add some value for increased brand awareness, their work in the community, etc.


PS: the Liverpool kit thing was the worst-possible timing, with the club only having announced a new shirt sponsor earlier in the week!

RicharDC5

3,925 posts

127 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
One of the issues it has is that the gap between the men and the women is much wider than many other sports. A female sprinter isn't that much slower than a man, and the world's best women athletes are better than most amateur men. Serena Williams could walk into any tennis club and thrash the male pro at that club.

But a university 1st 11 would beat the England women's football team pretty easily.

But if you get past that and take it for what it is, I'm happy to watch it. The skill level isn't too bad and the commitment and determination to win is great. I played low level football for years but i never came close to doing this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/football/video-10...
I agree. With athletics, cycling etc. it is women competing against other women and the difference in speed while watching isn't particularly noticeable compared to men. If they were competing against each other it would be a total shower.

Nearly all football shown on TV is at a high level, and due to the way the game plays women's footie doesn't look good in comparison. When watching the women's world cup it was clear that they couldn't kick the ball with both power and control. The long passing game just isn't there. I think it would probably help if they played on a smaller pitch, so at least the keeper can kick it to the half-way line with some direction on it.

Don't get me wrong, I think women's football should be promoted (like all sports), but throwing in women's events when I'm looking to watch something else is a bit annoying.

technodup

7,580 posts

130 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Challo said:
It will never become as big as men's football but it correct the BBC should push it.
Since when was it the BBC's job to promote minority sports?

That's the role of the FA. Or more accurately the role of a back room of the FA where a couple of job sharing temps pass the wimmin's fitba plan back and forth between them.



Challo

10,104 posts

155 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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technodup said:
Challo said:
It will never become as big as men's football but it correct the BBC should push it.
Since when was it the BBC's job to promote minority sports?

That's the role of the FA. Or more accurately the role of a back room of the FA where a couple of job sharing temps pass the wimmin's fitba plan back and forth between them.
Must be a troll or someone with attitudes to women stuck in the dark ages.