Is the Premier League bank-rolling Europe's other leagues?
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Barely a day goes by without another mega million PL signing for a player 99% of us has never heard of from one of Europe's other leagues. It now seems to be part of the Business Plan of these Euro clubs/ and their agents to big-up a player or two in the media each season, slap a ridiculous price tag on them and then sit back and laugh as the Premier League clubs fight over each other to sign them. I'm all for big marquee signings in the PL, but where's the value with all the other journeymen? Basically the Sky/BT PL money seems to be a major source of regular income for these Euro clubs, rather than helping our lower league clubs at home.
There are some classic examples of price inflation being banded about at the moment, even with players we all know about.
How about Mohamed Salah? OK for Basel, awful for Chelsea after £11 million move, farmed out on loan to Italy for a couple of years, before being sold for a similar price to Roma and now suddenly he's worth getting on for £40 million of Liverpool's money. Why? That's more than Alexis Sanchez cost Arsenal!
Or how about Juan Cuadrado? OK for Fiorentina, awful for Chelsea after £25 million move, farmed out on loan to Italy for a couple of years (often as sub), before being sold for a loss at £17.5 million to Juventus less than a month ago (!) and now Juventus are apparently holding out for £30 million of Arsenal or Tottenham's cash. He's 29 years-old already, so not even going to get any better or prove an investment! He's scored a total of 6 goals in the past 2 seasons for Christ's sake!
As Harry Enfield used to say "I saw you coming",,,,
If I was a Liverpool, Arsenal or Spurs fan, I would much rather the club's money was spent a hell of a lot more wisely than on either of these two.
There are some classic examples of price inflation being banded about at the moment, even with players we all know about.
How about Mohamed Salah? OK for Basel, awful for Chelsea after £11 million move, farmed out on loan to Italy for a couple of years, before being sold for a similar price to Roma and now suddenly he's worth getting on for £40 million of Liverpool's money. Why? That's more than Alexis Sanchez cost Arsenal!
Or how about Juan Cuadrado? OK for Fiorentina, awful for Chelsea after £25 million move, farmed out on loan to Italy for a couple of years (often as sub), before being sold for a loss at £17.5 million to Juventus less than a month ago (!) and now Juventus are apparently holding out for £30 million of Arsenal or Tottenham's cash. He's 29 years-old already, so not even going to get any better or prove an investment! He's scored a total of 6 goals in the past 2 seasons for Christ's sake!
As Harry Enfield used to say "I saw you coming",,,,
If I was a Liverpool, Arsenal or Spurs fan, I would much rather the club's money was spent a hell of a lot more wisely than on either of these two.
Before the latest influx of money, there was an interview with the owner of an Italian club (Roma from memory). He said there was one price for a player, but if it was a Premier League club he switched from Euros to Pounds, so 15m Euro became £15m. I would imagine that has now changed though!
Ajax have spent less money since the second world war, than Manchester United have in the past 3 or 4 seasons. So I guess they're bank rolled by transfer money
Ajax have spent less money since the second world war, than Manchester United have in the past 3 or 4 seasons. So I guess they're bank rolled by transfer money
Mo Salah's stats are good. 24 years old too.
17 goals and 12 assists in 33 starts in Serie A and Europa league.
He started 6 times in the league for Chelsea and scored twice. Hardly given a chance which isn't new at that club.
I'll happily pay £35m but I think £40m is too much.
Sanchez moved to Arsenal 3 years ago.
Seems to be a whole new level of prices now though.
He wasn't the main man at Barcelona which could suggest the low fee but even nowadays Morata is rumoured to have a £50m price tag which is a lot imo.
In this day and age with the TV deals and some clubs bein the powerhouses of football, if you want a player you have to pay the fee asked in most cases. Especially if they have a long term contract.
17 goals and 12 assists in 33 starts in Serie A and Europa league.
He started 6 times in the league for Chelsea and scored twice. Hardly given a chance which isn't new at that club.
I'll happily pay £35m but I think £40m is too much.
Sanchez moved to Arsenal 3 years ago.
Seems to be a whole new level of prices now though.
He wasn't the main man at Barcelona which could suggest the low fee but even nowadays Morata is rumoured to have a £50m price tag which is a lot imo.
In this day and age with the TV deals and some clubs bein the powerhouses of football, if you want a player you have to pay the fee asked in most cases. Especially if they have a long term contract.
Morata's another good example.
2014 RM sell him to Juventus for €20 million
2016 RM buy him back for €30 million
2017 RM turn down €74 million from MU (according to the Sun) and are holding out for a whole lot more, possibly even another world record sum!
Once again, he's a decent enough player, but definitely not from the very top drawer of world football, so where's the value for MU? Bonkers!
2014 RM sell him to Juventus for €20 million
2016 RM buy him back for €30 million
2017 RM turn down €74 million from MU (according to the Sun) and are holding out for a whole lot more, possibly even another world record sum!
Once again, he's a decent enough player, but definitely not from the very top drawer of world football, so where's the value for MU? Bonkers!
LotusOmega375D said:
Morata's another good example.
2014 RM sell him to Juventus for €20 million
2016 RM buy him back for €30 million
2017 RM turn down €74 million from MU (according to the Sun) and are holding out for a whole lot more, possibly even another world record sum!
Once again, he's a decent enough player, but definitely not from the very top drawer of world football, so where's the value for MU? Bonkers!
Madrid bought him back for that fee because it was negotiated in the previous transfer that they had rights to him at that price before Juve could sell him. RM activated the clause. 2014 RM sell him to Juventus for €20 million
2016 RM buy him back for €30 million
2017 RM turn down €74 million from MU (according to the Sun) and are holding out for a whole lot more, possibly even another world record sum!
Once again, he's a decent enough player, but definitely not from the very top drawer of world football, so where's the value for MU? Bonkers!
He was then and is now easily worth more than €30M, I wouldn't take him for more than €55M though. €74 is beyond ridiculous but that seems to be the market right now. Where can you get a top level striker these days? Hard to come by without buying completely proven and those sorts of players are happy at their club or would demand £100M a piece.
Fees aren't going to be nuts as there's are 20 clubs who all will get 100 million this season and some much more. To buy a player now means huge money and to be fair, we have not seen many complete at the really high level, but look at Everton's intent and they are top even top 6 regularly.
Guess who is paying for all the wages and fees????? Sky customers and those who support the clubs
Guess who is paying for all the wages and fees????? Sky customers and those who support the clubs
The jiffle king said:
Fees aren't going to be nuts as there's are 20 clubs who all will get 100 million this season and some much more. To buy a player now means huge money and to be fair, we have not seen many complete at the really high level, but look at Everton's intent and they are top even top 6 regularly.
Guess who is paying for all the wages and fees????? Sky customers and those who support the clubs
Private companies funded by customers shocker! Guess who is paying for all the wages and fees????? Sky customers and those who support the clubs
Would you rather they were funded via general taxation? Government grants? Nationalised clubs? Although there are certainly plenty of clubs that benefit from state aid....
The jiffle king said:
Guess who is paying for all the wages and fees????? Sky customers and those who support the clubs.
The EPL has lot`s of foreign owners, foreign viewers, foreign players, and UEFA helps as well directly and indirectly (world wide exposure) , by giving the top 3 EU nations 4 to 5 CL places.Just thanks to direct CL income alone the Spanish and Premier leaque clubs receive significantly more than a billion Euro in direct CL money more over a period of 10 years than nations with just 1 CL participant, and that's ever rising. Add to that the indirect money thanks to world wide exposure; sponsorfees and TV rights (EU, Asian, US) etc. and the difference only get's bigger and bigger.
Leicester City, last years EPL champions, completely floats on TV rights, it's an unhealthy 80% or more of their revenue.
And the funny thing is most people in the world, most EPL viewers, probably couldn't care less about the Leicester's, Wigan's, Everton's, Southampton's, Swansea's, WBA's. Hull City's, West Ham United's etc. If they even know them.
Edited by DeltonaS on Saturday 17th June 01:35
TEKNOPUG said:
Private companies funded by customers shocker!
Would you rather they were funded via general taxation? Government grants? Nationalised clubs? Although there are certainly plenty of clubs that benefit from state aid....
Would you rather they were funded via general taxation? Government grants? Nationalised clubs? Although there are certainly plenty of clubs that benefit from state aid....
I don't disagree that this has always been the case, but my point was that any increases have been funded by fans (and owners to some extent) and that fans are paying Moreno to watch the game or will be paying more to watch the games.
Never suggested it should be otherwise, but there will come a point where the bloke on an average wage cannot afford to go to the games and the subscription. Don't know where the tipping point is, but the clubs are looking to foreign rights and fans to help support
The jiffle king said:
I don't disagree that this has always been the case, but my point was that any increases have been funded by fans (and owners to some extent) and that fans are paying Moreno to watch the game or will be paying more to watch the games.
Never suggested it should be otherwise, but there will come a point where the bloke on an average wage cannot afford to go to the games and the subscription. Don't know where the tipping point is, but the clubs are looking to foreign rights and fans to help support
is their any English EPL club that's not in foreign hands ?
How come 82 million on average more wealthy Germans don't attract nearly the same amount of TV rights money as 56 million English and Welsh do ?
BlueFiestaST said:
Mo Salah's stats are good. 24 years old too.
17 goals and 12 assists in 33 starts in Serie A and Europa league.
He started 6 times in the league for Chelsea and scored twice. Hardly given a chance which isn't new at that club.
I'll happily pay £35m but I think £40m is too much.
Sanchez moved to Arsenal 3 years ago.
Seems to be a whole new level of prices now though.
He wasn't the main man at Barcelona which could suggest the low fee but even nowadays Morata is rumoured to have a £50m price tag which is a lot imo.
In this day and age with the TV deals and some clubs bein the powerhouses of football, if you want a player you have to pay the fee asked in most cases. Especially if they have a long term contract.
17 goals and 12 assists in 33 starts in Serie A and Europa league.
He started 6 times in the league for Chelsea and scored twice. Hardly given a chance which isn't new at that club.
I'll happily pay £35m but I think £40m is too much.
Sanchez moved to Arsenal 3 years ago.
Seems to be a whole new level of prices now though.
He wasn't the main man at Barcelona which could suggest the low fee but even nowadays Morata is rumoured to have a £50m price tag which is a lot imo.
In this day and age with the TV deals and some clubs bein the powerhouses of football, if you want a player you have to pay the fee asked in most cases. Especially if they have a long term contract.
Of all the players to pick.
Seems odd to think he was only 24. Must remember 2017 wasn't yesterday.
The topic is relevant though. The EPL is now by far the dominant player.
Yes there's BM, RM, PSG and Barca but it feels like it's CL or nothing for them now. Whatever the marketing team did in 1990 has well and truly come to fruition.
Seems odd to think he was only 24. Must remember 2017 wasn't yesterday.
The topic is relevant though. The EPL is now by far the dominant player.
Yes there's BM, RM, PSG and Barca but it feels like it's CL or nothing for them now. Whatever the marketing team did in 1990 has well and truly come to fruition.
My original examples may have been lousy, but the BBC has finally cottoned on to the gist of what I was saying 6 years ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64493480
85% of the money spent by the PL clubs during this record-breaking January transfer window went towards buying players from foreign leagues. Only 3% was spent on players from the EFL.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64493480
85% of the money spent by the PL clubs during this record-breaking January transfer window went towards buying players from foreign leagues. Only 3% was spent on players from the EFL.
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