Cyclist likely to be convicted of manslaughter..
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If anyone missed this in the pedal power section..
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https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
more cyclist should be done for wanton or furious cycling, the speeds they go in cities is ridiculous. he is most like a hipster on his fixie.
''“35. Drivers of carriages injuring persons by furious driving Whosoever, having the charge of any carriage or vehicle, shall by wanton or furious driving or racing, or other wilful misconduct, or by wilful neglect, do or cause to be done any bodily harm to any person whatsoever, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years.”''
''“35. Drivers of carriages injuring persons by furious driving Whosoever, having the charge of any carriage or vehicle, shall by wanton or furious driving or racing, or other wilful misconduct, or by wilful neglect, do or cause to be done any bodily harm to any person whatsoever, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years.”''
Edited by The Spruce goose on Monday 14th August 21:26
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Sa Calobra said:
Shouted twice at her, possibly he wanted then to give her a close punishment pass that went wrong. His attitude is appalling. Utterly appalling. At the very least he could have some decorum.
A 'punishment pass'? That such a term can even exist is so wrong. (Not getting at you!)Agree that his attitude is just awful, and must only heap further pain on her relations and friends. Inexcusable and, I hope, reflected in the sentence ultimately handed down.
His attitude is indeed poor and clearly has no remorse.
However I take the shouting at her twice as she’s just caused him to crash, I’d imagine that was quite painful to him (and even more so to her) and I think most PH members reaction would be similar. I doubt he thought he’s just killed a lady during that initial reaction.
But who is to blame? She chose to step into oncoming traffic and if reports are correct she was on her phone. Yes his bike had no front brake, but it doesn’t mean it’s the cause of the crash.
My bikes have disc brakes and the braking distances for me are far less than a v brake or u brake. And that’s only if they are serviced. There is no MOT for bikes or a standard of braking distances required for a bike. So he could have had a brake that was ineffective fitted and the outcome would be the same, would he then still be in court?
However I take the shouting at her twice as she’s just caused him to crash, I’d imagine that was quite painful to him (and even more so to her) and I think most PH members reaction would be similar. I doubt he thought he’s just killed a lady during that initial reaction.
But who is to blame? She chose to step into oncoming traffic and if reports are correct she was on her phone. Yes his bike had no front brake, but it doesn’t mean it’s the cause of the crash.
My bikes have disc brakes and the braking distances for me are far less than a v brake or u brake. And that’s only if they are serviced. There is no MOT for bikes or a standard of braking distances required for a bike. So he could have had a brake that was ineffective fitted and the outcome would be the same, would he then still be in court?
Derek Smith said:
From what I've read he is unlikely to be found guilty of manslaughter. The offence charged carries a maximum penalty of 2 years.
I'm wondering if they prove the 'furious driving' whether that would satisfy the 'unlawful act' aspect of manslaughter through an unlawful act. Either way, clearly a case that provides ample evidence of why posting on a forum / social media about a potential crime is a bad idea.
ecsrobin said:
His attitude is indeed poor and clearly has no remorse.
However I take the shouting at her twice as she’s just caused him to crash, I’d imagine that was quite painful to him (and even more so to her) and I think most PH members reaction would be similar. I doubt he thought he’s just killed a lady during that initial reaction.
But who is to blame? She chose to step into oncoming traffic and if reports are correct she was on her phone. Yes his bike had no front brake, but it doesn’t mean it’s the cause of the crash.
If, god forbid, one of us ran someone over in our car who happened to be on the phone, would you get out and berate them? You'd probably be beside yourself. It wouldn't necessarily be entirely your fault, but you'd still feel terrible. You certainly wouldn't later on show absolutely no remorse like this little streak of piss. I think that's the main issue here, that he just doesn't seem to comprehend what he's done, and who he has affected. However I take the shouting at her twice as she’s just caused him to crash, I’d imagine that was quite painful to him (and even more so to her) and I think most PH members reaction would be similar. I doubt he thought he’s just killed a lady during that initial reaction.
But who is to blame? She chose to step into oncoming traffic and if reports are correct she was on her phone. Yes his bike had no front brake, but it doesn’t mean it’s the cause of the crash.
Triumph Man said:
If, god forbid, one of us ran someone over in our car who happened to be on the phone, would you get out and berate them? You'd probably be beside yourself. It wouldn't necessarily be entirely your fault, but you'd still feel terrible. You certainly wouldn't later on show absolutely no remorse like this little streak of piss. I think that's the main issue here, that he just doesn't seem to comprehend what he's done, and who he has affected.
But if you were on a bike, someone walks in front of you, you crash probably injuring yourself to some degree what is the first thing you’re likely to do? Remembering that you may not know their full injuries yet? After the initial reaction has worn off and the situation has sunk in then of course most people would feel remorse, guilt and so on.
However everyone is wired different, I’d want to know if this is normal behaviour for him or if this is out of character since the accident. What’s to say his way of coping with this tragic incident is to try and point blame away from himself.
However I would add that it’s far more likely he’s just a knob!
ecsrobin said:
Triumph Man said:
If, god forbid, one of us ran someone over in our car who happened to be on the phone, would you get out and berate them? You'd probably be beside yourself. It wouldn't necessarily be entirely your fault, but you'd still feel terrible. You certainly wouldn't later on show absolutely no remorse like this little streak of piss. I think that's the main issue here, that he just doesn't seem to comprehend what he's done, and who he has affected.
But if you were on a bike, someone walks in front of you, you crash probably injuring yourself to some degree what is the first thing you’re likely to do? Remembering that you may not know their full injuries yet? After the initial reaction has worn off and the situation has sunk in then of course most people would feel remorse, guilt and so on.
However everyone is wired different, I’d want to know if this is normal behaviour for him or if this is out of character since the accident. What’s to say his way of coping with this tragic incident is to try and point blame away from himself.
However I would add that it’s far more likely he’s just a knob!
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