The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 13]
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desolate said:
I don't think he would put it that way, I just don't think he would accept no bring left exposed.
It's his reputation and he would want to be responsible for that.
What he spends with us against Dortmund is not exposed but in comparison with some others our net spend is not enough...It's his reputation and he would want to be responsible for that.
Spurs have done amazingly well but even their hardest wind up chaps know they could not do that again
A lot about transfers is luck as well as knowledge
I don't for 1 min think FSG back us as well as they could but then klopp is not blameless either, I admire trusting players but mistake after mistake simply tells you they are not good enough.... to understand FSGfor me simply look at Anfield Rd stand ...
We have to try get at least a more defensive minded midfielder in and a CB in Jan
Ructions said:
Jamie Carragher tweeted yesterday that four of the back five were Rogers signings and that is where our main problem lies.
You guys are hilarious. You're trying to blame Rodgers (who you all loved at the time, I seem to remember - and who at least one of you rates because he is doing well at Celtic, FFS) when Klopp's has had, what, four transfer windows to sort this out.He's no better than Brenda, as I've said before, but he has said goofy grin and is "zany" so the media and fans have been hoodwinked into believing he's a decent manager despite all evidence to the contrary. Stick with him, though, he's sure to come good
Would winks really be a regular without the injuries you have ?
Gomez is also a regular
As Jammy said Lallana has moved onto a new level, so has Phil
Our issues lie within the spine of the team ..not enough guile , defensive quality but klopp is massive on team defending not individual defending
Something is not working though so something has to change with the set up
Gomez is also a regular
As Jammy said Lallana has moved onto a new level, so has Phil
Our issues lie within the spine of the team ..not enough guile , defensive quality but klopp is massive on team defending not individual defending
Something is not working though so something has to change with the set up
footnote said:
I keep looking for a viable alternative. To try and make what's happening appear rational and reasonable. I want it to start making sense. Because it should make sense. If you've got poor players you make them better if you can or you move them on. If you've got the money you buy better players. If you haven't then you don't.
I'd like to believe that all of that is in Klopp's control but logic makes me doubt it - because he's making himself look bad and eventually most people will try to maintain their own dignity and self-respect. He's losing his reputation while seeming to try and maintain the illusion that this is what he wants. That the Liverpool team he has - is the one he would choose to have. Even keeping money in the bank rather than buy 'lesser' players. (what could be lesser than some of ours?).
I can't help but doubt whether he actually has the money at all. Or the control of the process. But only he and the owners know the terms under which both Rogers and Klopp work. He's not going to say I signed up for a job where I have my hands tied behind my back. But maybe that's the truth of it. It's still a great challenge and everybody has an ego and thinks they can triumph where others have failed but maybe this is his Waterloo.
Will we ever get to the truth? I doubt it, but sometimes a big cigar is just a big cigar, and sometimes something that looks like a duck isn't a duck even when it quacks.
Most commentators/pundits think it doesn't make sense. People on here can't make any sense of it and the reason for that is simply that - it doesn't make sense - unless... the obvious... it's always money.
I read somewhere that the club had recently been valued at a billion - was that asking someone to make an offer?
I think Desolate is correct - Klopp came in and has got a few new players that do improve us (Salah and Mane) and wanted to see what he could do with the rest. It also makes sense in the longer term. We saw what happened when we had 8 new 1st/ close to 1st team players in one summer under Rodgers. I'd like to believe that all of that is in Klopp's control but logic makes me doubt it - because he's making himself look bad and eventually most people will try to maintain their own dignity and self-respect. He's losing his reputation while seeming to try and maintain the illusion that this is what he wants. That the Liverpool team he has - is the one he would choose to have. Even keeping money in the bank rather than buy 'lesser' players. (what could be lesser than some of ours?).
I can't help but doubt whether he actually has the money at all. Or the control of the process. But only he and the owners know the terms under which both Rogers and Klopp work. He's not going to say I signed up for a job where I have my hands tied behind my back. But maybe that's the truth of it. It's still a great challenge and everybody has an ego and thinks they can triumph where others have failed but maybe this is his Waterloo.
Will we ever get to the truth? I doubt it, but sometimes a big cigar is just a big cigar, and sometimes something that looks like a duck isn't a duck even when it quacks.
Most commentators/pundits think it doesn't make sense. People on here can't make any sense of it and the reason for that is simply that - it doesn't make sense - unless... the obvious... it's always money.
I read somewhere that the club had recently been valued at a billion - was that asking someone to make an offer?
So I think what Klopp has done is focus on the attack and "forget" about the back as he knows it needs a lot of work. That gives him time to get new players up front, try and sort out the midfield to cover the defenders and then later work on defence. The problem is the defence is now so bad it leaks goals from almost any chance the opposition get. We actually don't give much chances away against most teams - it's just loads of them result in goals when we do. We saw what happened to Rodgers when he tried to fix the defence - the attack also fell to bits as he tried to make the team more defensive. So I think Klopp thought to sort one part of the team out at a time, and the attack was the easiest thing to do first.
m3sye said:
FT: Man Utd U23 1-3 LFC U23. Grujic header and Harry Wilson scored after James Wilson had equalised Ejaria opener in entertaining LFC win
Least these lads are playing well Haha 5 points clear in prem 2...if we win that league will it count
That surely counts as double?Least these lads are playing well Haha 5 points clear in prem 2...if we win that league will it count
desolate said:
NRS said:
No problem! Although I also predicted we'd be 5-8th place last season, so what do I know?!? 
I've got 50 quid that we finish above Utd this season.Easy money.
Some good posts here today.
It's absolutely right that we need to be calling Klopp out on these defensive issues, whether it's a coaching issue or recruitment or both. It's gone on too long and you just cannot be competitive shipping 50+ goals a season.
For me, as I've said since Rodgers last season there is just a total disconnect between our defence and midfield. We have no one with a defensive mindset whatsoever in midfield and an absolute lack of pace in Milner, Hendo, Can, Lallana and Gini. Just how many times did Spurs seem to have a 3 on 2 or 4 on 3, it was insane.
That doesn't excuse the individual errors in defence though, Lovren and Mingolet have been finished for a long time in my mind. I only hope Matip is being dragged down to their level temporarily while having to cover everyone else mistakes.
Any news on Clyne? Bit of a bizarre one that
It's absolutely right that we need to be calling Klopp out on these defensive issues, whether it's a coaching issue or recruitment or both. It's gone on too long and you just cannot be competitive shipping 50+ goals a season.
For me, as I've said since Rodgers last season there is just a total disconnect between our defence and midfield. We have no one with a defensive mindset whatsoever in midfield and an absolute lack of pace in Milner, Hendo, Can, Lallana and Gini. Just how many times did Spurs seem to have a 3 on 2 or 4 on 3, it was insane.
That doesn't excuse the individual errors in defence though, Lovren and Mingolet have been finished for a long time in my mind. I only hope Matip is being dragged down to their level temporarily while having to cover everyone else mistakes.
Any news on Clyne? Bit of a bizarre one that
tes” into google maps, it takes you to Anfield...To the point above about whether Klopp has money to spend - he has - and has stated publicly that the money is there but he doesn't just want to spend it for the sake of it. He only wants to bring in top quality talent and if can't, then work with and improve what he currently has. In my view is the correct way but I think his downfall has been trying to 'improve' too many average players.
For too many years we have brought in dross, sub-standard players in quantity at cheap and sometimes expensive price tags. Klopp wants to identify quality players that will improve our team and as we have seen with Keita will both wait and pay top dollar. Again for me, this is the right approach.
I think where he has fallen over particularly around the defence, he has placed perhaps too much faith in some players improving. Some will improve but not all. Identifying just one defensive target this past calendar year is another mistake - and one that is particularly hammering his reputation right now, along with not making any "visible" changes either formation or tactics wise to at least be seen at trying to improve the situation. Playing 3 at the back or placing a DM might NOT actually work - but at least the fans can see you are trying something.
For too many years we have brought in dross, sub-standard players in quantity at cheap and sometimes expensive price tags. Klopp wants to identify quality players that will improve our team and as we have seen with Keita will both wait and pay top dollar. Again for me, this is the right approach.
I think where he has fallen over particularly around the defence, he has placed perhaps too much faith in some players improving. Some will improve but not all. Identifying just one defensive target this past calendar year is another mistake - and one that is particularly hammering his reputation right now, along with not making any "visible" changes either formation or tactics wise to at least be seen at trying to improve the situation. Playing 3 at the back or placing a DM might NOT actually work - but at least the fans can see you are trying something.
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