The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]

[franki68]

Gavia said:

No wonder you go through managers (sorry coaches) instead of keeping them when successful. To clarify that, unsuccessful managers should be sacked at the right time, successful ones should be kept. How someone is supposed to work with players they may or may not want is bizarre.

Not sure why Chelsea think they can carry on dismissing a coach the year after they win the league and think they’ll continue to attract top level coaches.

To answer that I quote the words of those great philosophers bjorn & benny ‘money money money’.

[Gavia]

franki68 said:

To answer that I quote the words of those great philosophers bjorn & benny ‘money money money’.

Plenty of other clubs will chuck money at a decent manager nowadays though and probably give them a whacking great payrise, rather than the sack if they meet the targets set. Having said that Leicester did bin Ranieri and we sacked LVG, but he failed to meet th minimum stipulation of CL football (FA Cup was nice, but not a job saver with his contract).

[franki68]

Gavia said:

franki68 said:

To answer that I quote the words of those great philosophers bjorn & benny ‘money money money’.

Plenty of other clubs will chuck money at a decent manager nowadays though and probably give them a whacking great payrise, rather than the sack if they meet the targets set. Having said that Leicester did bin Ranieri and we sacked LVG, but he failed to meet th minimum stipulation of CL football (FA Cup was nice, but not a job saver with his contract).

I think we binned lvg because we played the most boring football known to man.

[ORD]

franki68 said:

I think we binned lvg because we played the most boring football known to man.

Not true. He followed Moyes. Moyes is, in all respects, far worse.

[jcremonini]

Gavia said:

jcremonini said:

But he's the head coach, not the manager. Head coaches get little input into what players are signed are are expected to coach whoever they are given. Managers get full say into who is signed. The head coach model is, in my opinion at least, the better one as the style of football a club plays tends to be aligned to the policy of the club rather than goes with the manager at the time. The head coach role is more prevailant in Europe (look at Real Madrid as a prime example of the extreme where the coach has absolutely zero input in to who is signed) .

Not sure how any supporter does not understand the difference.

No wonder you go through managers (sorry coaches) instead of keeping them when successful. To clarify that, unsuccessful managers should be sacked at the right time, successful ones should be kept. How someone is supposed to work with players they may or may not want is bizarre.

Not sure why Chelsea think they can carry on dismissing a coach the year after they win the league and think they’ll continue to attract top level coaches.

Why ? Because we keep winning trophies .As far as 'think they'll attract top level coaches' the fact is we do, so your argument is moot until such a time we stop doing so.

Mourinho was sacked because he is toxic. Your patience with him will run thin and he'll be out end of next season at the latest.

[anniesdad]

ORD said:

franki68 said:

I think we binned lvg because we played the most boring football known to man.

Not true. He followed Moyes. Moyes is, in all respects, far worse.

I think we binned LVG because Jose was available...

[GTO-3R]

jcremonini said:

Gavia said:

jcremonini said:

But he's the head coach, not the manager. Head coaches get little input into what players are signed are are expected to coach whoever they are given. Managers get full say into who is signed. The head coach model is, in my opinion at least, the better one as the style of football a club plays tends to be aligned to the policy of the club rather than goes with the manager at the time. The head coach role is more prevailant in Europe (look at Real Madrid as a prime example of the extreme where the coach has absolutely zero input in to who is signed) .

Not sure how any supporter does not understand the difference.

No wonder you go through managers (sorry coaches) instead of keeping them when successful. To clarify that, unsuccessful managers should be sacked at the right time, successful ones should be kept. How someone is supposed to work with players they may or may not want is bizarre.

Not sure why Chelsea think they can carry on dismissing a coach the year after they win the league and think they’ll continue to attract top level coaches.

Why ? Because we keep winning trophies .As far as 'think they'll attract top level coaches' the fact is we do, so your argument is moot until such a time we stop doing so.

Mourinho was sacked because he is toxic. Your patience with him will run thin and he'll be out end of next season at the latest.

Errrm it's been widely reported that he's about to extend his contract beyond next year. Jose is here for the long term. The problem is with Chelsea F.C and not the managers it seems. Was it Einstein that said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting a different result...

[anniesdad]

jcremonini said:

Mourinho was sacked because he is toxic. Your patience with him will run thin and he'll be out end of next season at the latest.

You wish...

He's happy now.

[London424]

GTO-3R said:

jcremonini said:

Gavia said:

jcremonini said:

But he's the head coach, not the manager. Head coaches get little input into what players are signed are are expected to coach whoever they are given. Managers get full say into who is signed. The head coach model is, in my opinion at least, the better one as the style of football a club plays tends to be aligned to the policy of the club rather than goes with the manager at the time. The head coach role is more prevailant in Europe (look at Real Madrid as a prime example of the extreme where the coach has absolutely zero input in to who is signed) .

Not sure how any supporter does not understand the difference.

No wonder you go through managers (sorry coaches) instead of keeping them when successful. To clarify that, unsuccessful managers should be sacked at the right time, successful ones should be kept. How someone is supposed to work with players they may or may not want is bizarre.

Not sure why Chelsea think they can carry on dismissing a coach the year after they win the league and think they’ll continue to attract top level coaches.

Why ? Because we keep winning trophies .As far as 'think they'll attract top level coaches' the fact is we do, so your argument is moot until such a time we stop doing so.

Mourinho was sacked because he is toxic. Your patience with him will run thin and he'll be out end of next season at the latest.

Errrm it's been widely reported that he's about to extend his contract beyond next year. Jose is here for the long term. The problem is with Chelsea F.C and not the managers it seems. Was it Einstein that said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting a different result...

Well of course no player or manager has ever signed an extended contract and then been gone within 18 months or so.

[jcremonini]

GTO-3R said:

jcremonini said:

Gavia said:

jcremonini said:

But he's the head coach, not the manager. Head coaches get little input into what players are signed are are expected to coach whoever they are given. Managers get full say into who is signed. The head coach model is, in my opinion at least, the better one as the style of football a club plays tends to be aligned to the policy of the club rather than goes with the manager at the time. The head coach role is more prevailant in Europe (look at Real Madrid as a prime example of the extreme where the coach has absolutely zero input in to who is signed) .

Not sure how any supporter does not understand the difference.

No wonder you go through managers (sorry coaches) instead of keeping them when successful. To clarify that, unsuccessful managers should be sacked at the right time, successful ones should be kept. How someone is supposed to work with players they may or may not want is bizarre.

Not sure why Chelsea think they can carry on dismissing a coach the year after they win the league and think they’ll continue to attract top level coaches.

Why ? Because we keep winning trophies .As far as 'think they'll attract top level coaches' the fact is we do, so your argument is moot until such a time we stop doing so.

Mourinho was sacked because he is toxic. Your patience with him will run thin and he'll be out end of next season at the latest.

Errrm it's been widely reported that he's about to extend his contract beyond next year. Jose is here for the long term. The problem is with Chelsea F.C and not the managers it seems. Was it Einstein that said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting a different result...

You honestly believe a contract is going to mean anything ? Mark my words - he won't last past the end of next season. You only have to look at him in press conferences to see where this is all going.

You're still moaning about how we 'treat' coaches and don't seem to understand that it works. So, your Einstein quote doesn't even apply - we keep doing the same thing and get results.

[jcremonini]

anniesdad said:

jcremonini said:

Mourinho was sacked because he is toxic. Your patience with him will run thin and he'll be out end of next season at the latest.

You wish...

He's happy now.

Yep - he's absolutely ecstatic. Which is why he has a face like a wet weekend every time he is interviewed.

[GTO-3R]

jcremonini said:

You honestly believe a contract is going to mean anything ? Mark my words - he won't last past the end of next season. You only have to look at him in press conferences to see where this is all going.

You're still moaning about how we 'treat' coaches and don't seem to understand that it works. So, your Einstein quote doesn't even apply - we keep doing the same thing and get results.

Think you're seeing something that isn't there. He looks perfectly happy in interviews and content with everything that's going on at the club. Think it's your delusional fantasy that he won't be here after next season.

[Black can man]

jcremonini said:

Yep - he's absolutely ecstatic. Which is why he has a face like a wet weekend every time he is interviewed.

You'd be pissed off too if you lived in a travel tavern like he does.

[Cie]

Anyone seen this from a Chilean journalist? He's clearly got a lot of sense in saying Sanchez should sign for United.

‘City is powerful economically today, but the legend is United.’

[franki68]

Black can man said:

jcremonini said:

Yep - he's absolutely ecstatic. Which is why he has a face like a wet weekend every time he is interviewed.

You'd be pissed off too if you lived in a travel tavern like he does.

Jose partridge

[franki68]

ORD said:

franki68 said:

I think we binned lvg because we played the most boring football known to man.

Not true. He followed Moyes. Moyes is, in all respects, far worse.

Worse manager yes,but even so the footy was not as dire as it was under lvg,we managed a few shots in a game when Moyes was here.

[Cie]

franki68 said:

ORD said:

franki68 said:

I think we binned lvg because we played the most boring football known to man.

Not true. He followed Moyes. Moyes is, in all respects, far worse.

Worse manager yes,but even so the footy was not as dire as it was under lvg,we managed a few shots in a game when Moyes was here.

And all those crosses.

[Gavia]

Looks like I've upset the Rentboys. Shame.

[Alpinestars]

Gavia said:

Looks like I've upset the Rentboys. Shame.

Classless. By far the worst crowd in London.

[Gone a bit AMG]

Black can man said:

jcremonini said:

Yep - he's absolutely ecstatic. Which is why he has a face like a wet weekend every time he is interviewed.

You'd be pissed off too if you lived in a travel tavern like he does.

He actually addressed the hotel issue last week. Has has a suite the size of a penthouse flat, his quote was I am lazy, I have everything I need and I am close to my coaches, I am happy. You put me in a big house on my own and I will be sad.