The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]
Discussion
Black can man said:
Yes, Without doubt he would.
On what grounds? He rarely scores goals, his work rate appears low, he's not high on assists. However if you want someone with a mardy look to hug the touchline and occasionally do a few step overs he's your man.
We've had many many similar promising youngsters over the years, I don't think any club in the prem have given youth as much of a chance as Utd. He's simply not moved on, and he's had more game time and opportunity than Rashford.
He occasionally shows flashes of brilliance but I genuinely doubt he'd be a regular in any top 6 team given how he performed last season.
By all means start a campaign to buy him, he's another Zaha/Rossi/Macheda type player imho. He'll possibly turn into a superstar or not. We let Pogba go and it worked out for him, usually it doesn't appear to for certain types of player
Gavia said:
I’m baffled by our transfers and our current team. Many of the sides that we’re still putting out are still populated with SAF signings. He retired 5 years ago, leaving a supposed ageing squad, so what’s going on? Players like Valencia. Smalling, Jones, Young make a mockery of our transfer strategy.
Mourinho has signed 10 players as he enters his third season with us.
One of those has already been sold / swapped for another, one is a stop gap keeper, one is always injured, one is truly s
t (Lindelof), two have yet to make their competitive debuts and the others spark debate on their value on here between United fans, let alone the usual WUMs
How can we still be reliant on SAF signings 5years and three managers later?
They can’t sell a lot of these players,they paid too much for them and pay them far too much Salary.Mourinho has signed 10 players as he enters his third season with us.
One of those has already been sold / swapped for another, one is a stop gap keeper, one is always injured, one is truly s
t (Lindelof), two have yet to make their competitive debuts and the others spark debate on their value on here between United fans, let alone the usual WUMsHow can we still be reliant on SAF signings 5years and three managers later?
Apparently Jose is really pissed off the club is being run merely as a business and not as a Football club,he can’t sell the players he wants to and can’t buy who he wants.
With all the money in the world UTD have to be run as a business unfortunately. The city model isn't sustainable if the oil money walks away as it could or if fair play rules are tightened.
Nice as it would be for Jose to get everyone he wants we unfortunately have quite a few very average type premiership players who all command decent wages. They need to be sold first.
I still think we'll get one or two new players in yet to keep him happy and freshen it up. We do have a large solid squad if not, something many of the top 6 don't appear to have
Nice as it would be for Jose to get everyone he wants we unfortunately have quite a few very average type premiership players who all command decent wages. They need to be sold first.
I still think we'll get one or two new players in yet to keep him happy and freshen it up. We do have a large solid squad if not, something many of the top 6 don't appear to have
200Plus Club said:
Where is the evidence for that? Goals /assists prior to Jan? Sanchez did throw the balance and was slow to get going but just think about why he was brought in if Martial was actually "flying"?
I think he got almost literally all his goals and assists before January. I may be wrong, but not far off. ‘Flying’ might be an overstatement. He was in good form and progressing.200Plus Club said:
Black can man said:
Yes, Without doubt he would.
On what grounds? He rarely scores goals, his work rate appears low, he's not high on assists. However if you want someone with a mardy look to hug the touchline and occasionally do a few step overs he's your man.
We've had many many similar promising youngsters over the years, I don't think any club in the prem have given youth as much of a chance as Utd. He's simply not moved on, and he's had more game time and opportunity than Rashford.
He occasionally shows flashes of brilliance but I genuinely doubt he'd be a regular in any top 6 team given how he performed last season.
By all means start a campaign to buy him, he's another Zaha/Rossi/Macheda type player imho. He'll possibly turn into a superstar or not. We let Pogba go and it worked out for him, usually it doesn't appear to for certain types of player
It's not the players that are not good enough.
Rashford , shaw & Martial would all be top six starters elsewhere .
I'll bid you good day sir.
Black can man said:
You don't seem to grasp the thing do you .
It's not the players that are not good enough.
Rashford , shaw & Martial would all be top six starters elsewhere .
I'll bid you good day sir.
You don't seem to grasp this is for Utd fans to talk about their team.. close the door on the way out cheers.It's not the players that are not good enough.
Rashford , shaw & Martial would all be top six starters elsewhere .
I'll bid you good day sir.
ORD said:
I think he got almost literally all his goals and assists before January. I may be wrong, but not far off. ‘Flying’ might be an overstatement. He was in good form and progressing.
He's a talent undoubtedly. He's also failed to maintain his initial progress from his debut season.Leaving pre season to go to the birth of child No2 and not returning says it all, heart not in it. Ok he may feel hard done to by Jose but look at the efforts of lingard, rashford , Mata, young etc for Jose. Different league.
He's been given lots of starts and when lukaku was injured had a great shout. Two ways to fix him, either he has a heart to heart with Jose and they make up or he's moved on.
Fergie was equally ruthless with stars who for whatever reason didn't fit in with him. No one is bigger than the club.
I'd be happy if he stayed but with a new attitude tbh, but since his debut season he's not become quite what he promised that's all.
It's very cut throat at the top, lukaku for instance slotted straight in and proved himself.
Martial also wasn't included if I recall in any way for the world cup?
He's a conundrum for sure.
franki68 said:
They can’t sell a lot of these players,they paid too much for them and pay them far too much Salary.
Apparently Jose is really pissed off the club is being run merely as a business and not as a Football club,he can’t sell the players he wants to and can’t buy who he wants.
Not sure I agree. If that’s the case, then let them run their contracts down and don’t offer them another. We seem quite keen to offer these players that we want rid of new contracts. If we can’t sell them, we still won’t be able to sell them, even if we’re paying them less. Apparently Jose is really pissed off the club is being run merely as a business and not as a Football club,he can’t sell the players he wants to and can’t buy who he wants.
Gavia said:
Not sure I agree. If that’s the case, then let them run their contracts down and don’t offer them another. We seem quite keen to offer these players that we want rid of new contracts. If we can’t sell them, we still won’t be able to sell them, even if we’re paying them less.
Agreed, we'll end up with 6 central defenders or more if we buy McGuire or similar and don't let anyone else go. Blind is the only guy out the door for decent money. I'm still shocked we kept fellaini but to be fair to the guy he has his moments and does at least fight for the club.Maybe it's the wages that have put smaller clubs off from enquiries or serious bids on some of the 2nd string players.
Who knows, probably Big Ed only.
Black can man said:
It's not the players that are not good enough.
Rashford , shaw & Martial would all be top six starters elsewhere .
I'll bid you good day sir.
Without getting into your little bunfight, I agree with this. We've had a good team for a while now and of course, there is always room for improvement, but the right manager could transform the whole team, individual players can only do this to a limited extent.Rashford , shaw & Martial would all be top six starters elsewhere .
I'll bid you good day sir.
Frimley111R said:
Without getting into your little bunfight, I agree with this. We've had a good team for a while now and of course, there is always room for improvement, but the right manager could transform the whole team, individual players can only do this to a limited extent.
So who would you replace Jose with if available and if it happens?Pep would be class, but even with his talents I'm not sure he'll make Phil Jones less clumsy and injury prone ! :-)
Seriously tho who would we need for possibly the hardest /highest profile job in football?
Frimley111R said:
Without getting into your little bunfight, I agree with this. We've had a good team for a while now and of course, there is always room for improvement, but the right manager could transform the whole team, individual players can only do this to a limited extent.
I’m starting to doubt Jose can do this. He’s not getting the best out of the players, or what he needs from Woodward, and is becoming very critical of both. We’ve also very rarely played as a team under Jose, very rarely has the sum been better than the parts.
And the style of football is not what most fans want. It’s going to be a pivotal season.
Alpinestars said:
I’m starting to doubt Jose can do this. He’s not getting the best out of the players, or what he needs from Woodward, and is becoming very critical of both.
We’ve also very rarely played as a team under Jose, very rarely has the sum been better than the parts.
And the style of football is not what most fans want. It’s going to be a pivotal season.
I'm starting to worry about Jose and I have several pairs of rose tinted specs. But he has a new back up team with him this year and he's lost his very long term no 2. So that will force him to change aspects of his approach. We’ve also very rarely played as a team under Jose, very rarely has the sum been better than the parts.
And the style of football is not what most fans want. It’s going to be a pivotal season.
What I can't get my head round is if it is such an awful place to work and Jose is such a dull bullying dinosaur why is there only Martial agitating for a move?
Any footage or shots I've seen from training and on the pitch suggest the team are well bonded and generally happy. There was a definite team spirit last season pulling out some big wins at times when fortunes conspired against them. Jose does himself no favours however and his moods/ facial expressions with his "honesty" about players don't endear him to folk at times.
200Plus Club said:
Any footage or shots I've seen from training and on the pitch suggest the team are well bonded and generally happy. There was a definite team spirit last season pulling out some big wins at times when fortunes conspired against them. Jose does himself no favours however and his moods/ facial expressions with his "honesty" about players don't endear him to folk at times.
He's been on record on a number of occasions about how he really doesn't enjoy his media commitments but he certainly doesn't help himself by being so defensive. Pun intended!I've been dipping into MUTV for the tour coverage and all does look positive until Jose is speaking to the media.
Gone a bit AMG said:
He's been on record on a number of occasions about how he really doesn't enjoy his media commitments but he certainly doesn't help himself by being so defensive. Pun intended!
I've been dipping into MUTV for the tour coverage and all does look positive until Jose is speaking to the media.
I think he loves playing with the media. He's serious no doubt about getting the job done, that's something that excites me as a Utd fan. This tournament has been a problem in terms of prep but that was always happening in a world cup year. It's compounded by lots of our players being involved in the last 4 games. It is what it is. I've been dipping into MUTV for the tour coverage and all does look positive until Jose is speaking to the media.
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