Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

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Glassman

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20,644 posts

163 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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I hope this is the beginning of change for football.

Somehow, I just see it as players having even more reason to surround the referee, imploring him to go to the screen...

TwigtheWonderkid

30,450 posts

98 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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The whole move for technology, including goal line technology, is based on a falsehood. And that falsehood is "getting decisions right will make the game better." I don't accept that. It makes the game worse.

Goal line technology has killed of the occasional terrible injustice of a wrong decision. They were always occasional because we can recall them. Mendez for Spuds at Man U, Lampard in the WC, Chelsea scoring in the cup semi v Spuds when it didn't cross the line.

Those things make football better not worse. I don't want football to be fair. Occasionally it should be unfair. It's brilliant to get away with murder, and infuriating to be cheated. When I got to football I want to be ecstatic or furious. I don't want it to be fair all the time.

Eventually these idiots will get their way, and every decision will be right. But I won't be going to watch. It'll be utter crap.

Ascayman

11,258 posts

164 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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I dont like it, i wish they'd stop messing about with our game the human aspect of the referee is part of the game for me.

One other thing i dont get is why it was only used for 1 game over the weekend surely it has to be used for every game in that round or its not a level playing field?

Hopefully its an experiment that doesn't work and gets binned but i fear it is here to stay and will change the game for ever.

TwigtheWonderkid

30,450 posts

98 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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I think they should do away with goal line technology and rewrite the laws and precede each one with "if in the opinion of the referee".

So a goal is scored if in the opinion of the referee the ball has crossed the line. That gets rid of any argument, because there are now 2 legitimate ways to score a goal. Either get the ball across the line or convince the referee it has crossed the line. The latter is achieved by running away celebrating as the ball is cleared off the line. Like Mata in the cup semi for Chelsea.

There are then 2 ways to stop a goal. Stop the ball crossing the line or make the ref believe you've stopped it. The latter is achieved by playing on when you've conceded as it nothing happened, like Neuyer for Germany when Lampard hit that shot.

Same for offside, sendings off, penalties.

Glassman

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20,644 posts

163 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
There are then 2 ways to stop a goal. Stop the ball crossing the line or make the ref believe you've stopped it.
Similarly, if you want to foil an attack, make the referee believe you have a head injury.

jcremonini

1,771 posts

115 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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I think VAR is a good thing. Alot of people don't seem to have registered the 'clear and obvious' element to decisions they will overturn. If the decision of the referee is not obviously incorrect then their original decision stands (whatever that may be) - so there will still be an element of debate surrounding such decisions and that must be a good thing. Where the decision is obviously wrong then there is no debate anyway - so VAR makes no difference other than to correct them.

VAR, to my mind, can only be a bad thing if it gets in the way of the flow of the game. Mike Dean won't have a need for VAR anyway as he's always right.

monty999

666 posts

53 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
The whole move for technology, including goal line technology, is based on a falsehood. And that falsehood is "getting decisions right will make the game better." I don't accept that. It makes the game worse.

Goal line technology has killed of the occasional terrible injustice of a wrong decision. They were always occasional because we can recall them. Mendez for Spuds at Man U, Lampard in the WC, Chelsea scoring in the cup semi v Spuds when it didn't cross the line.

Those things make football better not worse. I don't want football to be fair. Occasionally it should be unfair. It's brilliant to get away with murder, and infuriating to be cheated. When I got to football I want to be ecstatic or furious. I don't want it to be fair all the time.

Eventually these idiots will get their way, and every decision will be right. But I won't be going to watch. It'll be utter crap.
I think the goal line tech is instant and black and white so for me it works without any delay and waiting for decisions to be made. I'm with you on the rest though, who wants the game to be completely sterile like rugby !! I want the game to create debate and discussion afterwards.
Please leave our game alone, I'll take the lows with the highs right or wrong but at least it will stir some passion for the game.

HRL

1,865 posts

167 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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Seems I’m in the minority. I like the idea of VAR and the sooner refereeing mistakes are eliminated from the game the better IMO.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want it to stop the flow of a game but the players manage to do that enough these days themselves with fake injuries and diving.

The day that players can’t cheat is coming hopefully.

TwigtheWonderkid

30,450 posts

98 months

Tuesday 9th January 2018
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HRL said:
The day that players can’t cheat is coming hopefully.
I'm guessing you don't actually go to football. Some of my happiest memories over the last 45 years of following my team have been seeing my team successfully cheat at an away game, and watching the home fans go mental with fury.




Sparkyhd

1,792 posts

43 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Hard to say. Back in the day with squashed terraces, couple of smashed up toilets and half time catering limited to a Wagon Wheel it's easy to argue that football has progressed on all fronts.

I think it was more fun then or maybe it's just because I was younger.

I do enjoy cricket reviews though.

GTO-3R

5,117 posts

161 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Too much money at stake at the top of the game these days to have just the ref's opinion on an incident etc...

I like goal line technology but it should be left at that tbh.

BoRED S2upid

15,291 posts

188 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Just having a ref who knows the rules would be a start in conference football!

ReallyReallyGood

1,085 posts

78 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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GTO-3R said:
Too much money at stake at the top of the game these days to have just the ref's opinion on an incident etc...
Agree. When you have millions and millions potentially at stake for a given result, it opens up the door for real corruption to influence the result, under the guise of a refereeing 'mistake'.

It massively annoys me when pundits game after game watch about 10 replays from different angles and say it was wasn't a correct call by the ref. Have one replay, from the referee's eye view, and then you can be free to criticize the ref. Let's give the ref more eyes and see a big decision from other angles like the rest of us.

And if it means the death of punditry then surely it's all worth it!

TwigtheWonderkid

30,450 posts

98 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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On the subject of cheating, where do we draw the line. A player diving to get a pen...cheating. John Stones last night, bringing a player down in a completely mistimed tackle and then pretending to the ref he got the ball....why is that any different?

franki68

7,030 posts

169 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Goal line technology is fine ,and maybe something similar could be introduced to help with offside ,but aside from that anything else will be awful .
Firstly look at how much debate there is on these forums over some decisions Even with all the video coverage .
Secondly ,I have noticed a few decisions which when I view I can have a varying opinion on due to it looking different from different angles .e.g from one angle it looks like a player touched the ball ,from another it doesn’t ,what is applicable ?

Far better would be to clarify the rules.The last week we have seen a player run at a player with his arm up in a very unnatural position and no penalty given when the ball had hit him on the hand ,and the same week a player conceding a penalty when he had his arms down by his side and tucked in and the ball struck him.

We will just end up arguing over iffy video decisions .

HRL

1,865 posts

167 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I'm guessing you don't actually go to football. Some of my happiest memories over the last 45 years of following my team have been seeing my team successfully cheat at an away game, and watching the home fans go mental with fury.
Each to their own. I’d rather honesty, fair play and sportsmanship, but I do understand what you mean.

If players thought they couldn’t get away with it they wouldn’t do it, it’s as simple as that. Would no doubt make the refs lives a lot easier too.

dsmith1990

948 posts

94 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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45 mins in to the game and I'm against VAR already. Slowing the game down needlessly.

Driver101

6,155 posts

69 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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I'll need to see it in action a few times to see how I feel. The idea is great, but it might ruin the pace of games.

It needs to be given a run to see how it goes.

Gavia

7,627 posts

39 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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I can’t help but look at what it’s done to cricket and Rugby League. In both sports, pretty well every decision gets referred to the video umpire / ref now. There is every chance that this will happen in football, scope creep on what can be reviewed, 5 x appeals from each side allowed for decisions that they dispute, refs going back two minutes to a foul that they should have given, so the move that led to the goal wouldn’t have happened and so on.

In time, I think this will cripple refs, as they’ll be too scared to make a decision and their authority will be completely eroded. It’s hard enough for them, now when they make a mistake. BT Sport having an ex ref in the TV booth who they ask for an opinion every time shows how much easier it is for them to spot a mistake and to call it correctly when they have all the time in the world.

Anyone for 4 hour matches?

HRL

1,865 posts

167 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
I'll need to see it in action a few times to see how I feel. The idea is great, but it might ruin the pace of games.

It needs to be given a run to see how it goes.
Well it didn’t spoil Chelsea/Arsenal too much.