Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

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smartypants

42,157 posts

117 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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yes


I can only remember one single decision that I still harbour as a bloody disgrace in the 30 years of supporting Spurs, and that's the Mendes "goal" against United (still will never ever forgive Clattenburg for that).... but now we have goalline tech, which I totally agree with, although still deem it unnecessary.

I hand on heart, cannot remember any other meaningful decision that went against my team that was a criminal decision and cost us points and league places/cup wins.

In 30 years. Refereeing decisions do not cost anyone anything, and are forgotten completely the following game.

So remind me, why the fk are we bothering with this nonsense?


Puggit

41,925 posts

196 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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smartypants said:
yes


I can only remember one single decision that I still harbour as a bloody disgrace in the 30 years of supporting Spurs, and that's the Mendes "goal" against United (still will never ever forgive Clattenburg for that).... but now we have goalline tech, which I totally agree with, although still deem it unnecessary.

I hand on heart, cannot remember any other meaningful decision that went against my team that was a criminal decision and cost us points and league places/cup wins.

In 30 years. Refereeing decisions do not cost anyone anything, and are forgotten completely the following game.

So remind me, why the fk are we bothering with this nonsense?
A few seasons ago, in a mouthwatering top of the table Championship clash at Bournemouth, the referee sent off Angella from Watford, a central defender. After 29 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Px396qzqQM

The decision was overturned on appeal because it was a load of dung. Don't tell me that playing an entire game with 10 men didn't change the result (we lost, of course).

Oh, and what about the ghost goal we suffered against Reading? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0YiuSbBdaQ




That's 2 decisions that were blatantly wrong - but as a supporter of a small club in the Premier League, what I crave is consistency. The only consistency we get is that our players are punished more harshly than players from big teams. VAR won't fix that in a hurry, but it may make things more palatable.


Gavia

7,627 posts

39 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Every supporter should be able to recount at least one major injustice, some that matter in the wider scheme, some don’t.

My recollection is the Chelsea match which was effectively a winner takes all. Drogba, off the bench to score an offside goal. We lost the match 2-1 and the tile by one point a few weeks later

The reality is that we didn’t lose the title in that one match, but it still hurts to look back and see it.

By the same token, we all conveniently forget the decisions that go in our favour.

Reference, the Mendez “goal”, I was at the other end of the pitch and I could see quite clearly that it was a goal, so god knows how the ref didn’t.

TwigtheWonderkid

30,495 posts

98 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Gavia said:
Every supporter should be able to recount at least one major injustice, some that matter in the wider scheme, some don’t.

My recollection is the Chelsea match which was effectively a winner takes all. Drogba, off the bench to score an offside goal. We lost the match 2-1 and the tile by one point a few weeks later

The reality is that we didn’t lose the title in that one match, but it still hurts to look back and see it.

By the same token, we all conveniently forget the decisions that go in our favour.

Reference, the Mendez “goal”, I was at the other end of the pitch and I could see quite clearly that it was a goal, so god knows how the ref didn’t.
That's the point.

People will happily say "we got relegated because of a terrible penalty decision in the last game of the season." But they forget that they would have gone into that game already relegated had they not got that dodgy pen in the last minute of a game back in November!

Gavia

7,627 posts

39 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
That's the point.

People will happily say "we got relegated because of a terrible penalty decision in the last game of the season." But they forget that they would have gone into that game already relegated had they not got that dodgy pen in the last minute of a game back in November!
I agree, that was the point I was making, albeit quite badly. There could be an argument for the lesser teams though to get annoyed, as they all tend to be treated more harshly than the top sides.

TwigtheWonderkid

30,495 posts

98 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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smartypants said:
yes


I can only remember one single decision that I still harbour as a bloody disgrace in the 30 years of supporting Spurs, and that's the Mendes "goal" against United (still will never ever forgive Clattenburg for that)....
So years later and your blood pressure still rises when you think about it. Isn't that what football is about?

One of my fave memories was a league cup replay away at Spurs in 1990. Cundy scythed down Gazza in the box when it was 0-0. Stevie Wonder would have given the pen. Ref plays on. I've rarely seen a worse tackle. A waste high two footed lunge that nearly cut Gazza in half. Spurs players chase after the ref, lose their heads, crowd are in uproar, and we score about a minute later when they are still harassing the ref. rofl

You completely lost it after that. We went on to win 3-0. Happy days.

dsmith1990

948 posts

94 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Gavia said:
My recollection is the Chelsea match which was effectively a winner takes all. Drogba, off the bench to score an offside goal. We lost the match 2-1 and the tile by one point a few weeks later

By the same token, we all conveniently forget the decisions that go in our favour.
That fits in nicely as I remember Macheda (whatever happened to him?) using his arms to equalise bandit

Mine is always the Barcelona semi-final in 2009. All set up for a rematch with United 12 months on from Moscow between 2 top teams. Robbed.

smartypants

42,157 posts

117 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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The Thierry Henry handball I bet still hurts the Irish!


TwigtheWonderkid

30,495 posts

98 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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dsmith1990 said:
Gavia said:
My recollection is the Chelsea match which was effectively a winner takes all. Drogba, off the bench to score an offside goal. We lost the match 2-1 and the tile by one point a few weeks later

By the same token, we all conveniently forget the decisions that go in our favour.
That fits in nicely as I remember Macheda (whatever happened to him?) using his arms to equalise bandit

Mine is always the Barcelona semi-final in 2009. All set up for a rematch with United 12 months on from Moscow between 2 top teams. Robbed.
Yes, that was the only time I've thought a referee might have been bribed, as opposed to just making honest errors. He probably wasn't, but there were so many terrible decisions.

Driver101

6,199 posts

69 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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Southampton fans will be shouting for VAR tonight. Cheating ********.

Puggit

41,925 posts

196 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
Southampton fans will be shouting for VAR tonight. Cheating ********.
Ironic that VAR would have given Watford 2 stonewall penalties in the match then. Southampton cheated first tongue out

Driver101

6,199 posts

69 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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The ref isn't for using the VAR tonight.

It didn't help he got the Willan penalty call all wrong.

Gavia

7,627 posts

39 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
The ref isn't for using the VAR tonight.

It didn't help he got the Willan penalty call all wrong.
It’s hardly helped by every player who goes over in the box and Conte jumping up and down demanding everything be reviewed.

Glassman

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20,650 posts

163 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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Gavia said:
Conte jumping up and down demanding
Along with the flair and skill it's what overseas players/managers bring with them.

RichB

42,503 posts

232 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
The ref isn't for using the VAR tonight.

It didn't help he got the Willan penalty call all wrong.
That just goes to show hoe difficult it is. I thought it was a dive and after seeing numerous slow and fast replays I still see Wilian jump over the Norwich guys legs and then make sure his trailing foot catches his shin to validate the penalty claim. So for me the ref got it right.

Driver101

6,199 posts

69 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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RichB said:
Driver101 said:
The ref isn't for using the VAR tonight.

It didn't help he got the Willan penalty call all wrong.
That just goes to show hoe difficult it is. I thought it was a dive and after seeing numerous slow and fast replays I still see Wilian jump over the Norwich guys legs and then make sure his trailing foot catches his shin to validate the penalty claim. So for me the ref got it right.
It was a penalty every day of the week.

Morata was looking for a penalty all night. He's going down under any contact and expecting the video to show that. That's the bad side of the VAR.

smartypants

42,157 posts

117 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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There's no good side to VAR. It's unravelling now, hopefully they will have the sense to just bin it as quickly as they brought it in.


RichB

42,503 posts

232 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
RichB said:
Driver101 said:
The ref isn't for using the VAR tonight.

It didn't help he got the Willan penalty call all wrong.
That just goes to show hoe difficult it is. I thought it was a dive and after seeing numerous slow and fast replays I still see Wilian jump over the Norwich guys legs and then make sure his trailing foot catches his shin to validate the penalty claim. So for me the ref got it right.
It was a penalty every day of the week.

Morata was looking for a penalty all night. He's going down under any contact and expecting the video to show that. That's the bad side of the VAR.
Well that's your opinion and I'll stick to mine, neither can be definitive, rather like VAR. hehe

Gavia

7,627 posts

39 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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Glassman said:
Gavia said:
Conte jumping up and down demanding
Along with the flair and skill it's what overseas players/managers bring with them.
You’ve snipped my post. They can’t bring it with them as VAR is brand new.

Glassman

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20,650 posts

163 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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Gavia said:
Glassman said:
Gavia said:
Conte jumping up and down demanding
Along with the flair and skill it's what overseas players/managers bring with them.
You’ve snipped my post. They can’t bring it with them as VAR is brand new.
The inference was towards their attitude and (often) acting/acting up.