Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

[Keoparakolo]

wazztie16 said:

Personally don't think it was a foul, Barnes shot, keeper had no effect on that. Ball was well gone and Barnes was never going to regain possession. So not a foul imo, anywhere on the field of play.

Odd there were no appeals for the foul, given it was so clear cut for some people (I watched it live and within the last 2 minutes on MotD).

That’s totally wrong. What you’re suggesting is that I can wait for a player to kick the ball away and then stomp on him a la Souness at his finest / Keane on Haaland and that’s OK, as the player had already got rid of the ball. It was a penalty and I agree that VAR should have intervened, but chose not to.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Keoparakolo said:

wazztie16 said:

Personally don't think it was a foul, Barnes shot, keeper had no effect on that. Ball was well gone and Barnes was never going to regain possession. So not a foul imo, anywhere on the field of play.

Odd there were no appeals for the foul, given it was so clear cut for some people (I watched it live and within the last 2 minutes on MotD).

That’s totally wrong. What you’re suggesting is that I can wait for a player to kick the ball away and then stomp on him a la Souness at his finest / Keane on Haaland and that’s OK, as the player had already got rid of the ball. It was a penalty and I agree that VAR should have intervened, but chose not to.

Indeed. I don't see why the position of the ball at the time of the foul is relevant in any way, other than to decide if it's still in play.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

DocJock said:

It was a reckless challenge with no consideration for the safety of the player.

Anywhere else on the field it would be a straight red.

That was my take on it. It was high, it was late, Barnes couldn't continue, and could well have been very seriously injured. How it's not even a foul is completely beyond me.

[LotusOmega375D]

In the Man City v Leicester game I thought that Sterling purposely trod on Perreira’s foot and threw himself to the floor. Pereira was getting out of his way.

[Keoparakolo]

Brighton goal disallowed for about 1mm offside? How can they be so accurate about when the ball has actually left the foot / head of the player making the pass?

[wazztie16]

Keoparakolo said:

Brighton goal disallowed for about 1mm offside? How can they be so accurate about when the ball has actually left the foot / head of the player making the pass?

I was shouting at the TV for them to disallow the goal, just for the controversy it will cause.

F**k VAR

[Davos123]

They need to change the offside rule - it was fine without VAR and linesmen instructed to give the benefit of the doubt but it's bks now. So many goals that would be allowed 90% of the time previously are getting ruled offside. I'd suggest they either change it so that you can only be offside with a part of the body from the hip down, or there is daylight between torsos or something.

Or just fking get rid of VAR

[wazztie16]

Davos123 said:

They need to change the offside rule - it was fine without VAR and linesmen instructed to give the benefit of the doubt but it's bks now. So many goals that would be allowed 90% of the time previously are getting ruled offside. I'd suggest they either change it so that you can only be offside with a part of the body from the hip down, or there is daylight between torsos or something.

Or just fking get rid of VAR

Offside already only applies to parts of the body you can legally score with.

[Keoparakolo]

Palace get one ruled out too, apparently Zaha was a few millimetres offside too.

[RichB]

wazztie16 said:

Davos123 said:

They need to change the offside rule - it was fine without VAR and linesmen instructed to give the benefit of the doubt but it's bks now. So many goals that would be allowed 90% of the time previously are getting ruled offside. I'd suggest they either change it so that you can only be offside with a part of the body from the hip down, or there is daylight between torsos or something. Or just fking get rid of VAR

Offside already only applies to parts of the body you can legally score with.

The offside rule is the one rule that has they have buggered around with the most over the years. Used to be any player on the pitch, then you had to be "interfering"; as we all know, level with is onside so they did indeed introduce a daylight between the players idea some years ago, then they scrapped that. For some time they only flagged offside when the offside player touched the ball and now with VAR they don't seem to bother flagging for offside at all it seems. I may have forgotten a few other changes and got the sequence wrong but you get the idea, it's complete fk up!

[LotusOmega375D]

The Brighton offside was flagged for something that happened way before the goal was scored. Same match Murray has a shot saved and a corner is given. Replay shows he’s offside. Had the Bournemouth goalie just let the shot in, VAR would have overruled and Bournemouth would have had a goal kick. Crazy.

Also recent worrying development I have noticed, which seems to have been initiated by Guardiola’s Man City. Attacking player runs into penalty box and intentionally sticks leg out to ensure contact with defender. Sterling did it last week and Mahrez did it last night. The Wolves defender never changed the line of his run and Mahrez ensured that he dangled his leg out to get the penalty. VAR just sees the contact and confirms the penalty. Other teams are now following suit.

[DocJock]

LotusOmega375D said:

Also recent worrying development I have noticed, which seems to have been initiated by Guardiola’s Man City. Attacking player runs into penalty box and intentionally sticks leg out to ensure contact with defender. Sterling did it last week and Mahrez did it last night. The Wolves defender never changed the line of his run and Mahrez ensured that he dangled his leg out to get the penalty. VAR just sees the contact and confirms the penalty. Other teams are now following suit.

That has been happening for years.

[LotusOmega375D]

Yes but in the past, the ref could just wave play on. Now it has to go to VAR = penalty every time,

[Keoparakolo]

And it’s just ruled out a challenger for goal of the season by a millimetre. It’s a joke.

Norwich goal ruled out

[chml]

Pukki was onside, he arched his run and the replay from Sky showed absolutely that he was onside at the point the pass was made. Ridiculous.

[Keoparakolo]

chml said:

Pukki was onside, he arched his run and the replay from Sky showed absolutely that he was onside at the point the pass was made. Ridiculous.

I’m watching on Bein Sports and they think the same. It’s a farce.

[PHuzzy]

The red line (Norwich) was onside of the blue one (Spurs) in the VAR check?!

What the fk was that?

[bitchstewie]

I do wonder when they introduced this to the Premier League if they had in mind people with set squares and line rules and the on-pitch referee never getting to review events.

Be interesting to see the half time analysis as that certainly looked onside when the pass was played.

[em177]

Keoparakolo said:

And it’s just ruled out a challenger for goal of the season by a millimetre. It’s a joke.

Norwich goal ruled out

Yup. fked.

That mm or 2 could also easily be argued over what exact millisecond the ball is played.

[Keoparakolo]

em177 said:

Yup. fked.

That mm or 2 could also easily be argued over what exact millisecond the ball is played.

Totally agree. I asked earlier how they can know the exact moment that the ball leaves the foot / head of the player making the pass.