Quickest way to build credibility to get future GT3RS

Quickest way to build credibility to get future GT3RS

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RS61

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22 posts

95 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Hi guys. What's your advice on this. I live in London and my goal is to build a relationship / credibility to get a GT3RS allocation in the future. Specifically I'm currently interested in ordering a brand new Macan e-hybrid and buying a second hand Cayenne e-hybrid.

What I'm after is some advice about which OPC(s) to approach and how to play it to maximise the chance and shorten the time to being able to one day order a GT3RS. Thoughts?

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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probably worth avoiding london dealerships as they have too many wealthy customers

get the cars serviced at the same dealer too

the easiest way *was* to buy a 918

Wilmslowboy

4,188 posts

205 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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The quickest and easiest (and possibly the cheapest way) to own a GT3RS is pay the overs.

Playing the game with the dealers is a path to a very expensive gamble...it was suggested to me to get on the list at our local dealer would take buying close to a dozen "normal cars" over the next 3 years or so..... and even then no guarantees of a GT car.

In essence I had to swallow £150k+ of deprecation in cars I didnt need or want...and a mouthful of humble pie to "perhaps" gain favour....add to the fact that then any GT cars they sell me (new) would then have to be sold back to them at list (below mkt rates)
means the maths just would not work.

In most cases if you pay the overs (on a used GT car) you will get most of it back when you sell.


The alternate route is to wait till the mkt returns to the normal state.....It wasn't that long ago when you could get GT cars at list new from dealers......Porsche struggled to sell 918 new etc.



The problem with the overs ....is the values are getting close to (or more than) used super car prices.
A used 991 GT3RS or a Ferrari 458/Mcalren 650s biggrin



LordOfTheManor

1,267 posts

110 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Amazing post!

Don’t waste time with Wales and West opc’s unless you let them sleep with your girl.....

Wilmslowboy said:
The quickest and easiest (and possibly the cheapest way) to own a GT3RS is pay the overs.

Playing the game with the dealers is a path to a very expensive gamble...it was suggested to me to get on the list at our local dealer would take buying close to a dozen "normal cars" over the next 3 years or so..... and even then no guarantees of a GT car.

In essence I had to swallow £150k+ of deprecation in cars I didnt need or want...and a mouthful of humble pie to "perhaps" gain favour....add to the fact that then any GT cars they sell me (new) would then have to be sold back to them at list (below mkt rates)
means the maths just would not work.

In most cases if you pay the overs (on a used GT car) you will get most of it back when you sell.


The alternate route is to wait till the mkt returns to the normal state.....It wasn't that long ago when you could get GT cars at list new from dealers......Porsche struggled to sell 918 new etc.



The problem with the overs ....is the values are getting close to (or more than) used super car prices.
A used 991 GT3RS or a Ferrari 458/Mcalren 650s biggrin


cat with a hat

1,484 posts

117 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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To echo the above... It's simply not worth it. Many people have tried in the past and still been overlooked.

Best to pay a flipper or wait until it's been out for a bit of time and get one second hand.

430scuderia1

454 posts

217 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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RS61 said:
Hi guys. What's your advice on this. I live in London and my goal is to build a relationship / credibility to get a GT3RS allocation in the future. Specifically I'm currently interested in ordering a brand new Macan e-hybrid and buying a second hand Cayenne e-hybrid.

What I'm after is some advice about which OPC(s) to approach and how to play it to maximise the chance and shorten the time to being able to one day order a GT3RS. Thoughts?
With the greatest respect the market has changed. I am a loyal customer since 2000, had every GT3/RS since 2004 and still have my 996. Not even got a sniff of a 991.2 GT3 or new RS. I now have to buy more standard cars and hope they offer me one.... even then ( if i am offered a 992) if i decide to sell it 'HAS' to go back to the OPC.

Better just to pay overs if the GT cars are all you want. Would love interest rates to be >5% and cars to depreciate again so at least i can drive the cars i like.

430scuderia1

454 posts

217 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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they could not give away 2 seater 911's with crazy scaffolding in 2007 when they offered 4 seaters for sale...

Shazbat

170 posts

136 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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RS61 said:
Hi guys. What's your advice on this. I live in London and my goal is to build a relationship / credibility to get a GT3RS allocation in the future. Specifically I'm currently interested in ordering a brand new Macan e-hybrid and buying a second hand Cayenne e-hybrid.

What I'm after is some advice about which OPC(s) to approach and how to play it to maximise the chance and shorten the time to being able to one day order a GT3RS. Thoughts?
No point.

Just buy the car you want and pay overs.

The extra you pay will be a lot less than the depreciation you will suffer if you have to buy a load of old st off of OPC for the next 5 years.

isaldiri

18,407 posts

167 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Wilmslowboy said:
The quickest and easiest (and possibly the cheapest way) to own a GT3RS is pay the overs.

In most cases if you pay the overs (on a used GT car) you will get most of it back when you sell.

The alternate route is to wait till the mkt returns to the normal state.....It wasn't that long ago when you could get GT cars at list new from dealers......Porsche struggled to sell 918 new etc.

That really depends on the level of the overs. It definitely doesn't work for people who get caught up with the hype and buy early cars. If you bought a 991.1rs at £275k or a R at whatever mad level they were at, you're definitely not getting back most of it back now.....

And when the mkt returns to the normal state people wouldn't be asking how to get one anymore wink

Budflicker

3,799 posts

183 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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RS61 said:
Hi guys. What's your advice on this. I live in London and my goal is to build a relationship / credibility so that i am worthy to give my OPC £135 grand for a car Thoughts?
Thoughts?


My thoughts are that the fact people are even asking such flipping ridiculous questions shows how stupid the whole situation has become.

How on earth did we get to the stage where the car salesman is doing me a massive favor by letting me spend over 100k on a car?



1 Pheasant Plucker

1,490 posts

195 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Is that for real..? to get a new GT car now you have to sign up to selling it back to the OPC at a number they pluck out of the air, and then allow them to make the 'over list price' when they sell it on, so you don't actually own it at all, you're just paying the lease on it up front.., and signing away any potential uplift.., that's nuts that is.., and as for buying a load of shopping cars you don't want to gain favour and take on the depreciation is madness.., better to suck on the 'overs' now and have what you want..

Presumably to stop the flippers market tho' from the 991.2's.., interesting way to run a free GT car tho' if you can make your money back guaranteed..?

As stated, I will be happy to see 5% interest rates again, and depreciation as it used to be.., and those days will come back too, it's just a matter of time.., sold my 997.1 GT3 in 2011, and 7 years later it would cost me +£20K to buy it back.., these are not normal market conditions.. history always repeats itself.. boom/bust.. caveat emptor..

In the mean time I will run my old 996-4S until some order is restored.., although this one's turned out to be a depreciation free car for 7 years, which isn't a bad problem to have..!

Edited by 1 Pheasant Plucker on Saturday 3rd March 19:49

jimmyslr

798 posts

272 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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I've thought long and hard on this over the last two years. Basically, as above.... suck it up and pay the overs. Buying handfuls of cars that you're lukewarm about, then taking the depreciation hit and at the same time cosying up to OPC salesmen - life is too short for that nonsense.

The concept of overs still annoys me greatly for a new car. I'm not sure I can bring myself to do it. I'd like a GT3 Touring, but didn't get there; in fact I was lucky to get the odd email reply. For the 160-170k that I might have to pay in 6 months or so to get one you're into serious alternative cars. I'm more and more tempted by McLaren for instance who at least seem interested in selling me a car. I do understand fully the marketing concepts in play, but it's a high stakes game for Porsche that could well bite them when the cycle turns, and it will turn in the very foreseeable future. I'm rather looking forward to making cheeky bids to OPC salesmen when the prices are dropping on the stock they're holding. What goes around comes around and all that.

Cheib

23,110 posts

174 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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1 Pheasant Plucker said:
Is that for real..? to get a new GT car now you have to sign up to selling it back to the OPC at a number they pluck out of the air, and then allow them to make the 'over list price' when they sell it on, so you don't actually own it at all, you're just paying the lease on it up front.., and signing away any potential uplift.., that's nuts that is.., and as for buying a load of shopping cars you don't want to gain favour and take on the depreciation is madness.., better to suck on the 'overs' now and have what you want..

Presumably to stop the flippers market tho' from the 991.2's.., interesting way to run a free GT car tho' if you can make your money back guaranteed..?

As stated, I will be happy to see 5% interest rates again, and depreciation as it used to be.., and those days will come back too, it's just a matter of time.., sold my 997.1 GT3 in 2011, and 7 years later it would cost me +£20K to buy it back.., these are not normal market conditions.. history always repeats itself.. boom/bust.., in the mean time I will run my old 996-4S until order is restored..


Edited by 1 Pheasant Plucker on Saturday 3rd March 19:46
Not how my OPC works, absolutely no hint of any of that shenanigans.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Cheib said:
Not how my OPC works, absolutely no hint of any of that shenanigans.
As it’s sytner owned OPC all powers will go from the OPC and cars will goto the best Stytner customers going forward.

They already took a load of cars from each OPC as it was, next time it will be all of them.

Works better for me as I have bought loads of Styner cars so looking good :-)

IREvans

1,126 posts

121 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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RS61 said:
Hi guys. What's your advice on this. I live in London and my goal is to build a relationship / credibility to get a GT3RS allocation in the future. Specifically I'm currently interested in ordering a brand new Macan e-hybrid and buying a second hand Cayenne e-hybrid.

What I'm after is some advice about which OPC(s) to approach and how to play it to maximise the chance and shorten the time to being able to one day order a GT3RS. Thoughts?
Just pay the overs for the car you really want, simpler, cheaper and faster.....

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Monday 5th March 2018
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IREvans said:
Just pay the overs for the car you really want, simpler, cheaper and faster.....
possibly, with the gt2 @ £600-700k I can see why people are incentivized to buy more crappy base models from porsche in hope

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Monday 5th March 2018
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Define 'relationship'. In my experience this takes many forms, both good and bad.

throt

3,038 posts

169 months

Monday 5th March 2018
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Robbo66 said:
and bad.
Rob,, please tell me you haven't...hehe

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Monday 5th March 2018
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throt said:
Robbo66 said:
and bad.
Rob,, please tell me you haven't...hehe
Me ?....Noooooo biggrin

detee

626 posts

148 months

Monday 5th March 2018
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It is a good point regarding McLaren, as is always the case, one day an alternative appears that appeals more. A 991 GTS at £107,000 makes me think about a 570 GT from McLaren. I know it would be more money but the gap between sports cars and supercars is getting closer, especially once premiums are involved.

My 997 GTS listed at 70k when I bought it new. I paid 107k for my Manual GTS last June. That's a big difference.