The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 14]
Discussion
Cie said:
TaylotS2K said:
Black can man said:
Nobody can deny that Liverpool's huge global following is mainly due to the success they had in the 70's & 80's & deservedly so, they were a fantastic side for well over 15 years or so.
I live down south & south of the River & i reckon i see more Liverpool & Man utd shirts than any London club,
Obviously when you drive through Tottenham & Islington it's a little different.
Yep and had those fans been born a decade or so later, they would be United fans etc etc.I live down south & south of the River & i reckon i see more Liverpool & Man utd shirts than any London club,
Obviously when you drive through Tottenham & Islington it's a little different.
Chris Stott said:
I blame my granddad for being a life long LFC supporter... he's the one who decided to take me to Anfield for my 10th birthday (1977)... was an amazing experience, and set me up for the rest of my life.
Had he taken me to Old Trafford, or Elland Road, things might have been different
Funny, similar happened to me. Taken to Anfield, shown the stadium and where he grew up and heard the old stories from when he was younger (pre war). Back then the main rivalry was across the park (late 70’s).Had he taken me to Old Trafford, or Elland Road, things might have been different
ORD said:
I don’t think many, if any, PL players take performance enhancing drugs, to be honest. They’re genetic freaks and still weak as crap, so they can’t be using anabolics, that’s for sure!
I think drugs is the elephant in the room, that it's absolutely rife. You're kidding yourself that in such a competitive environment and with so much money at stake and so many matches to play that there aren't players that are only able to compete, get in teams and make mega bucks by cheating.
The incentives for someone playing in the Championship or foreign leagues to move to the Premier League are massive, it's worth millions. Of course players are going to do whatever it takes to get there.
The only way it doesn't happen is if there's robust testing, and there simply isn't. It's inconceivable that in a properly tested environment no one would be caught. The list of players caught using non-recreational substances is miniscule. I bet no one can name single player that's been done for PEDs, the only info I can find on a quick check shows only 13 players in 4 years, all done for recreational drugs. Absolute nonsense.
If you've followed the doping scandals across other sports you'd see that the idea that are somehow different is ludicrous. Then look at the top-down corruption in the game, from FIFA setting the tone etc and the idea that it isn't happening makes no sense at all.
Whilst I agree that the incentives to use PEDs are huge, you could flip it and say the incentives not too are even higher.
Just look at Sakho. Caught using fat burners which marked the end of his career at any top club.
I agree with you in that I think it's a dark secret of the pro football world that drugs are kept under wraps. But equally I think the vast majority of players are now extremely professional and have super strict diets, let alone stay way clear of drugs.
Just look at Sakho. Caught using fat burners which marked the end of his career at any top club.
I agree with you in that I think it's a dark secret of the pro football world that drugs are kept under wraps. But equally I think the vast majority of players are now extremely professional and have super strict diets, let alone stay way clear of drugs.
What PEDs do you think they are taking?
Plainly not anabolic steroids, because they are (if anything) generally weaker and less muscular than you would expect of genetically gifted young men who do loads of training. Have you ever seen a PL footballer do a respectable squat or deadlift? I haven't.
Fat burners? They are very young, genetically gifted and run around a lot. No need for fat burners.
The only potential I can see is for some of the stuff that cyclists take for recovery and limit endurance. But, to be honest, I don't think football creates the kind of extreme physiological stress where they would give much of an advantage.
So a tiny upside weighed against a career ended if you are caught.
I don't see it, to be honest.
Rugby is a different matter, of course, as are most sports.
Plainly not anabolic steroids, because they are (if anything) generally weaker and less muscular than you would expect of genetically gifted young men who do loads of training. Have you ever seen a PL footballer do a respectable squat or deadlift? I haven't.
Fat burners? They are very young, genetically gifted and run around a lot. No need for fat burners.
The only potential I can see is for some of the stuff that cyclists take for recovery and limit endurance. But, to be honest, I don't think football creates the kind of extreme physiological stress where they would give much of an advantage.
So a tiny upside weighed against a career ended if you are caught.
I don't see it, to be honest.
Rugby is a different matter, of course, as are most sports.
ORD said:
The only potential I can see is for some of the stuff that cyclists take for recovery and limit endurance. But, to be honest, I don't think football creates the kind of extreme physiological stress where they would give much of an advantage.
So a tiny upside weighed against a career ended if you are caught.
I don't see it, to be honest.
That's the sort of thing that I was thinking of. The Icarus documentary on Netflix (is incredible) shows how an athlete can massively improve his stamina using those sorts of PEDs.So a tiny upside weighed against a career ended if you are caught.
I don't see it, to be honest.
But as you say, career over if you get caught. I can only see it being an issue with a tiny minority of players.
Ramsey in under contract until the end of 2019, so he wouldn't be free. Ox cost us £40m with a year left on his.
Here is an interesting question though: Did we realise the £40m value from Ox this season. Would we be where we are right now without him? Or could we have waited and got him on a free and used the £40m to help fund another signing?
Here is an interesting question though: Did we realise the £40m value from Ox this season. Would we be where we are right now without him? Or could we have waited and got him on a free and used the £40m to help fund another signing?
In other news I'm seeing Emre is apparently close to signing a new contract.
Apparently he's been suitably impressed by our CL ambitions this season. Either that or Juve got sick of waiting.
Really not sure if I want him to stay tbh. I want players at the club that really want to be here.
Apparently he's been suitably impressed by our CL ambitions this season. Either that or Juve got sick of waiting.
Really not sure if I want him to stay tbh. I want players at the club that really want to be here.
jammy-git said:
He's put in some stellar performances this season and that goal against City was worth his transfer fee alone.
Considering how many first team CMs we currently have out I'm glad we signed him. I don't really care whether he was free or not.
I generally agree. But I think we should care if he was free or not (even if it is not our money, as I know most people will say that). An extra £40m could part pay towards getting you another Keita or Salah in the squad in addition to the Ox. Let's face it, our squad is wafer thin and has been for many years. Considering how many first team CMs we currently have out I'm glad we signed him. I don't really care whether he was free or not.
jammy-git said:
In other news I'm seeing Emre is apparently close to signing a new contract.
Apparently he's been suitably impressed by our CL ambitions this season. Either that or Juve got sick of waiting.
Really not sure if I want him to stay tbh. I want players at the club that really want to be here.
Get him signed up, use him in the squad and sell next year if he doesn't go on to the next level?Apparently he's been suitably impressed by our CL ambitions this season. Either that or Juve got sick of waiting.
Really not sure if I want him to stay tbh. I want players at the club that really want to be here.
I agree about Can.
As for Ox. If our squad is wafer thin and Ox was the right player then the fact we paid £40m for him shouldn't matter. If he was a luxury player then absolutely wait and get him on a free. But he wasn't.
Incidentally, we say our squad is wafer thin now but I remember when we signed Ox half of us were wondering why we need yet another CM.
As for Ox. If our squad is wafer thin and Ox was the right player then the fact we paid £40m for him shouldn't matter. If he was a luxury player then absolutely wait and get him on a free. But he wasn't.
Incidentally, we say our squad is wafer thin now but I remember when we signed Ox half of us were wondering why we need yet another CM.
Things change quickly! We were mostly saying he could be good, but we probably overpaid a bit, and why did we sign a CM when we should spend money on a proper goalie, DM and LB from memory.
But as you say, career over if you get caught. I can only see it being an issue with a tiny minority of players.It think it's a bit niave to say other sports do it but it's different for us. It just needs a proper testing scheme and it may well turn out there is a much bigger issue. Unless clubs are doing it themselves - but do they actually flag performance drug issues, or just when they want to get rid of someone?
jammy-git said:
ORD said:
The only potential I can see is for some of the stuff that cyclists take for recovery and limit endurance. But, to be honest, I don't think football creates the kind of extreme physiological stress where they would give much of an advantage.
So a tiny upside weighed against a career ended if you are caught.
I don't see it, to be honest.
That's the sort of thing that I was thinking of. The Icarus documentary on Netflix (is incredible) shows how an athlete can massively improve his stamina using those sorts of PEDs.So a tiny upside weighed against a career ended if you are caught.
I don't see it, to be honest.
But as you say, career over if you get caught. I can only see it being an issue with a tiny minority of players.
The overarching theme is every signing for this season has been good, not something weve said at all, ever, or at least since Barnes and Beardsley signed.
Massive credit to Klopp for his coaching and get the right people in when many people had doubts about them - shows you shouldnt judge our signings by how good they were before but more how likely they are to work under Klopps tactics.
Also i really dont expect many signings this season - the ones we need well get them in early to get them used to the system in good time for the season and then thatll be it.
Massive credit to Klopp for his coaching and get the right people in when many people had doubts about them - shows you shouldnt judge our signings by how good they were before but more how likely they are to work under Klopps tactics.
Also i really dont expect many signings this season - the ones we need well get them in early to get them used to the system in good time for the season and then thatll be it.
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