New Parking Spaces

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killemall

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17 posts

134 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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Hi , i would really appreciate the few of others on this. I have attached pics if my description is unclear.

My close has a narrow road, that 2 cars can not pass each other side. at the end there is a T junction but the left hand side is blocked by a gate and does not offer any driveways etc. to the right is another narrow road, that used to allow parking on one side at a time, this was amended a few years back (when residential parking permits were introduced "kerching $$") to allow parking on both sides, with the cars half parked on the pavements.( which at the time i thought was odd as it restricted pavement space for wheelchairs ) again this means that only one car can pass at a time.

This actually worked quite well as when leaving my close ( turning right ) you could pull into the space opposite the close, and if someone was already coming down the road, you could wait till they had passed.

In the last few days the council have added additional parking markings, directly opposite the close effectively on the junction *(Where the blue and grey cars are ) it is now impossible to enter the road, and to pull to one side if another vehicle is coming, and if they are coming into the close, you would need to reverse back into the close and probably back up your own driveway.

This problem is compounded by others parking at night-time and weekends outside of authorised bays right on the double yellowed corners , effectively making the turn in or out of the close 90 degrees.

The pics i have taken were at a particularly non busy time but at weekends and evenings, there are no spaces

I maybe cynical but it seems the council are just happy to sell more residential parking permits and feel up as much space as they can.
I realise that the parking is legal as they are marked bays, but just don't see how someone could think this makes any sense !

Exiting the Close


Left Turn


Right Turn


Exit

Galveston

715 posts

199 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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That doesn't look very tight, just typical of a residential area where parking is at a premium and driving is about feeling your way. I've seen far worse.

Changes to parking restrictions require a TRO to be made or amended. This should've been advertised (including notices on the street) giving you an opportunity to comment/object before the changes were made. If that process was followed correctly, you've missed your opportunity.

Bennyjames28

1,702 posts

92 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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It looks ok to me. Defo not as tight as the text made out.

rxe

6,700 posts

103 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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The left turn is into a no-through road (there seems to be a gate across it), there is no though traffic, so surely the only people going in and out are your neighbours. Tight, but seems fine.

killemall

Original Poster:

17 posts

134 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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Thanks for the comments all. the point being that it is obviously too tight for 2 cars to be side by side, so even though there is probably 8ft width there is no where to go once in the road to pass.

I will investigate re TRO ( whatever that is ! ) Cheers

tejr

3,105 posts

164 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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Not sure what the others are seeing, but it does look tight - as in, one car at a time, tight. Probably hard to get a sense of scale from the photos.

Any how, would the problem not be (at least partly) solved by enforcing the double yellows? If anyone is parking on them it will make it impossible to make the right turn with an on coming car trying to turn left at the same time.

Take loads of pics when cars are parked on the double yellows, badger the council, call the local parking enforcement when people park over the double yellows and eventually they will stop parking there.

That should then allow the person turning right (exiting the close) to wait for any cars waiting to turn left (into the close) to clear the path?

Galveston

715 posts

199 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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Traffic Regulation Order. It's the legal document prepared (following statutory process) by the council which makes the road markings and signs legal and enforceable.

Galveston

715 posts

199 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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tejr said:
Not sure what the others are seeing, but it does look tight - as in, one car at a time, tight.
That's exactly what I'm seeing, but so what? It's a quiet residential street.

Valgar

850 posts

135 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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Whilst not ideal I don't see it as a massive problem, one side of traffic is blocked off by the fence anyway.

SS2.

14,462 posts

238 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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tejr said:
Any how, would the problem not be (at least partly) solved by enforcing the double yellows?
Quite.

It sounds like the problem is not with those vehicles parked legally in the new bays, but rather those parked on the DYLs close to the junction.

As above - take photos and push for extra enforcement.

t400ble

1,804 posts

121 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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Seen a lot lot worse.

Riley Blue

20,952 posts

226 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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The only solution I can see is to lop a few feet off all the front gardens and widen the road so that the front doors open directly onto the footpath - or put up with buying a house in a Victorian area designed and built before every house had at least one metal monster to park outside.

Tankrizzo

7,262 posts

193 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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I don't really get this, surely with the end of the road blocked off the times when you pull out to find another car coming must be few and far between....?

And surely if you do, it's 99.9% sure they're going into your close so you just reverse back towards the gate until you pass your close entry and they turn into it?

Is it really that big a deal?

Dr Interceptor

7,780 posts

196 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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Imagine how wide that road will have been when the houses were built, before pavements etc.

killemall

Original Poster:

17 posts

134 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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Previously it was one side parking only , so was a 2 lane road. Parking volume was increased around the time that residential permits were introduced, i can not understand why someone would buy a terraced house with no off street parking and then expect to park multiple cars outside their home. But this is not the issue anyway, even though it has been narrowed to one lane it does work as people tend to wait at either end when a car is coming in the opposite direction and there is plenty of space for one car at a time.

The issue is the new parking spaces immediately opposite the exit which effectively remove the space to wait until it is clear.

Unfortunately the double yellows are not enforced outside of office hours. The council have been contacted about that by a number of neighbours but no one has ever received a response.

NickCQ

5,392 posts

96 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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killemall said:
I can not understand why someone would buy a terraced house with no off street parking and then expect to park multiple cars outside their home.
Picture looks like West London somewhere, have you checked the price of houses with off-street parking there? biggrin

killemall

Original Poster:

17 posts

134 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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NickCQ said:
Picture looks like West London somewhere, have you checked the price of houses with off-street parking there? biggrin
Essex, and these places go for more than mine , and i have off street parking for 3 and 3 garages. These have bigger sized rooms and gardens but i did not consider as i own a car(s)

tejr

3,105 posts

164 months

Thursday 26th April 2018
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killemall said:

Unfortunately the double yellows are not enforced outside of office hours. The council have been contacted about that by a number of neighbours but no one has ever received a response.
Contact your local fire station, tell them you are concerned they won't be able to access your property in an emergency. Ask them if they can come come and assess the street.

Cc in your local council, Councillors, MP and local press wink

Hound your local councillors on twitter.