The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]
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desolate said:
I don't think we did get rid of him, he wanted the move and got the big money at a top team. From what I know we offered him a decent deal.
I thought you balked at his asking price for a new contract which considering the amount of money you were throwing around was a bit odd. I guess you had some new players coming so probably thought you didn't need him. There was quite a bit of bitterness about him daring to ask for more money too if I remember rightly.A lot of your midfield problems would probably go away if Kieta actually started delivering on even a tenth of the promise you guys were saying he had when you bought him. Strange he seems to be taking so long to settle.
Guvernator said:
I thought you balked at his asking price for a new contract which considering the amount of money you were throwing around was a bit odd. I guess you had some new players coming so probably thought you didn't need him. There was quite a bit of bitterness about him daring to ask for more money too if I remember rightly.
A lot of your midfield problems would probably go away if Kieta actually started delivering on even a tenth of the promise you guys were saying he had when you bought him. Strange he seems to be taking so long to settle.
I agree on Kieta. I always think this part of the season is a bit strange as it keeps getting broken up every month for internationals. The real meat of the season begins from the next game to end of Feb/March. It's all a bit "phoney war" at the moment and we'll see how good he is over that period.A lot of your midfield problems would probably go away if Kieta actually started delivering on even a tenth of the promise you guys were saying he had when you bought him. Strange he seems to be taking so long to settle.
Only time will tell if the way we are playing is Klopp being pragmatic and managing the season or if it's the new way of things.
My overwhelming feeling is it's going to be a long season watching City smash everyone whilst 3 or 4 other sides fight out what would ordinarily be an exciting title race but is really just a boring scrap over a few quid.
Having said all that, I look over to Salford and see the s
t show there and that cheers me up a bit.I didn't shed any tears when Can left. He was the same as what we had already and had more poor games than he had decent. Keita will come good - just needs to find his feet and settle. Some need a year, some just slot in from day one. Agree on Shaq but he is not the long term solution for the 10 position.
Ascayman said:
I agree with the sentiment though, it doesn't even work! no matter what we have been told by those with a vested interest during the world cup there were just as many wrong decisions as there were right ones...
Also one of the reasons football is the most popular games in the world and is played the world over, is that its simple, the same rules apply when i play on a sat morning, when African kids do at a school break time as when messi and ronaldo line up in el classico.
I think the rule can be changed so that it stops goal hangers, without needing technology, just needs some imagination and a desire to change that is absent in the game as it's run be people that still want it to be played the way it was then they were playing. I certainly don't want technology because it either doesn't work or would create a two-tier game at the point technology stopped being used.Also one of the reasons football is the most popular games in the world and is played the world over, is that its simple, the same rules apply when i play on a sat morning, when African kids do at a school break time as when messi and ronaldo line up in el classico.
On your second point, you'll notice that African kids will be playing with no offside rule at all.
My background is hockey, where the change from grass to astro provided an impetus to really assess the game and make changes to keep the game flowing and more exciting to watch and play. Off-side was canned as an experiment and never brought back over 20 years ago.
It's liberating not to have that artificial element to the game, though I accept the games are sufficiently different that I wouldn't automatically advocate removing the rule entirely, but if I was reforming off-side I'd start from that side of the argument rather than what's there now and tinkering.
If you look across the gammut of offside decisions now, most of the time my view is along the lines of "Does it really add to the game stopping it under those circumstances?" A rule that scaled off-side to areas of the pitch that were common goal-scoring areas might be a good place to start.
Anyway, no chance of genuine reform of anything in football.
I think any bitterness towards Can was only down to the fact he'd clearly decided long before his contract was up that he was going to leave. So we lose a good player right before he should hit his peak for nothing, his prerogative but would have been nice to cash in.
I think we'll see more of XS. He's playing well, even putting some hard yards in. Helped by the number of injuries we've had in midfield lately.
I think we'll see more of XS. He's playing well, even putting some hard yards in. Helped by the number of injuries we've had in midfield lately.
Have to agree with a lot of that. Offside was originally brought in to stop goal hanging, it's now turned into something so convoluted that no one seems entirely sure what the rules are and we are arguing about inches and needing video technology to make decisions which stop the game pointlessly.
Football should be kept simple, fast paced and flowing. Rather than trying to introduce VAR, they should be simplifying the rule so we don't need VAR in the first place. Unfortunately football is a big money business now so I can't ever see this happening,in fact I suspect it will get more needlessly complicated as ref decisions in a game are potentially worth millions.
Football should be kept simple, fast paced and flowing. Rather than trying to introduce VAR, they should be simplifying the rule so we don't need VAR in the first place. Unfortunately football is a big money business now so I can't ever see this happening,in fact I suspect it will get more needlessly complicated as ref decisions in a game are potentially worth millions.
Guvernator said:
I thought you balked at his asking price for a new contract which considering the amount of money you were throwing around was a bit odd. I guess you had some new players coming so probably thought you didn't need him. There was quite a bit of bitterness about him daring to ask for more money too if I remember rightly.
A lot of your midfield problems would probably go away if Kieta actually started delivering on even a tenth of the promise you guys were saying he had when you bought him. Strange he seems to be taking so long to settle.
Not really asking price. He was out of contract, so Juve could pay him a lot more salary as they had no contract to pay off. So they had money, plus offering easy trophies compared to the trophies in England where there is basically 6 into 1 so most miss out. And they are very good in Europe, being the favourites this season for many. So it was basically impossible to keep him. He would not be worth the money needed to have done so even if he did take money over trophies. A lot of your midfield problems would probably go away if Kieta actually started delivering on even a tenth of the promise you guys were saying he had when you bought him. Strange he seems to be taking so long to settle.
Sye was the only one commenting about Keita being amazing. The rest of us had no idea about him, but Sye would post some youtube clips, and mentioned he watched him more regularly and he promised loads. But I think Keita has only had something like 4 proper games for us so far? Been out a bit with injury, and probably still affected even when he has played. First game he looked great in most people's views. Since then he was more disappointing. With so few games/ the injuries then impossible to say anything about him longer term, still far too early. However the lack of press with our current players mean he will have a lot more pressure/expectation on him that we would want.
ChocolateFrog said:
I think any bitterness towards Can was only down to the fact he'd clearly decided long before his contract was up that he was going to leave. So we lose a good player right before he should hit his peak for nothing, his prerogative but would have been nice to cash in.
I'd say it was more because we offered a good contract and Can p***ed us around umming and ahhing and pretending he might stayIt's an area that seems to be in short supply, lots of decent defenders and even forwards but decent midfield playmakers and CDM's seen rather thin on the ground at the moment. We are lucky in that we do have seem to have an abundance of decentish attacking mid options and one very good one in Eriksen but we are lacking a good CDM. You guys are the reverse, have a few options for CDM but lacking a decent creative midfielder until Kieta clicks at least.
Very good midfielders are fetching good money for that reason, shame you couldn't keep Coutinho as I think he'd have given you that something extra but it's VERY hard to keep someone when Barca come calling.
Very good midfielders are fetching good money for that reason, shame you couldn't keep Coutinho as I think he'd have given you that something extra but it's VERY hard to keep someone when Barca come calling.
Guvernator said:
Shame you couldn't keep Coutinho as I think he'd have given you that something extra but it's VERY hard to keep someone when Barca come calling.
Maybe, but it's hard to take a firm view on that without really knowing how dependent the purchases of Allison and VvD was on that sale. If the question is could we play better with Coutinho, you'd probably say yes. If it's Coutinho in, but lose one or both of those, then no idea???Adam B said:
ChocolateFrog said:
I think any bitterness towards Can was only down to the fact he'd clearly decided long before his contract was up that he was going to leave. So we lose a good player right before he should hit his peak for nothing, his prerogative but would have been nice to cash in.
I'd say it was more because we offered a good contract and Can p***ed us around umming and ahhing and pretending he might stayMaybe he could have gone a year earlier for £20-30m.
ChocolateFrog said:
He couldn't really say 18 months out that he planned on seeing out his contract for fear of being benched due to lack of commitment.
Maybe he could have gone a year earlier for £20-30m.
Don't think that's true. He played just about every game after he announced his leaving, he even got to play in the Champions League final.Maybe he could have gone a year earlier for £20-30m.
paulrockliffe said:
ferrisbueller said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Or lack thereof.
I didn't realise Can had more goals and assists than Gini, Milner and Hen do put together last season.
Really?I didn't realise Can had more goals and assists than Gini, Milner and Hen do put together last season.
SkySports said:
James Milner, Georginio Wijnaldum and Jordan Henderson scored only two goals between them - one fewer than the departing Emre Can.
The German also provided as many assists from open play as those three put together.
Ultimately probably the difference between us and City. Their midfield score and assist.The German also provided as many assists from open play as those three put together.
paulrockliffe said:
ferrisbueller said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Or lack thereof.
I didn't realise Can had more goals and assists than Gini, Milner and Hen do put together last season.
Really?I didn't realise Can had more goals and assists than Gini, Milner and Hen do put together last season.
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