The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]

The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]

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m3sye

20,018 posts

137 months

Thursday 6th December
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Matip worries me more than lovren, for such a big guy he is so soft, needs a bit of Virgil attitude in him

ferrisbueller

21,981 posts

163 months

Thursday 6th December
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Alisson's distribution (a main reason he was bought) has stood out for me.

I think VvD is brilliant. I would also be more than happy to see Alderweireld line up next to him (when that Soton squad was stripped we appear to have bought the wrong one - Lovren is decent but Toby is on a different level).

I also think Fernandinho may be one of the most under-the-radar players in the league. He is quality, week in, week out. That's the level Fabinho should be looking at. He still strolls about too much for me; makes me wonder about his engine.

I still think Klopp will go shopping in January. Surely even he can't bear to watch Moreno play anymore.

Pommy

9,286 posts

152 months

Thursday 6th December
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Gutted about Gomez - massive loss heading into busy season - I'm not convinced we have cover good enough.

type-r

6,580 posts

149 months

Thursday 6th December
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Flip Martian said:
Shame about Gomez, we will really miss him. Hugely improved this season to become the 1st choice to partner VVD. I hope Lovren and Matip both step up.
Gomez is my personal player of the season for Liverpool so far. Most will go with VvD, perhaps rightly so but given Gomez's age and just how well he has stepped up and has the look of a veteran - it is nothing short of amazing. Will be missed a lot.

m3sye

20,018 posts

137 months

Thursday 6th December
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type-r said:
Gomez is my personal player of the season for Liverpool so far. Most will go with VvD, perhaps rightly so but given Gomez's age and just how well he has stepped up and has the look of a veteran - it is nothing short of amazing. Will be missed a lot.
Agreed he has been fantastic this year, he is missed badly whenever he doesn't play... feel much more confident when he is next to Virigl than any other CB we have.
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wjb

2,369 posts

67 months

Thursday 6th December
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type-r said:
Flip Martian said:
Shame about Gomez, we will really miss him. Hugely improved this season to become the 1st choice to partner VVD. I hope Lovren and Matip both step up.
Gomez is my personal player of the season for Liverpool so far. Most will go with VvD, perhaps rightly so but given Gomez's age and just how well he has stepped up and has the look of a veteran - it is nothing short of amazing. Will be missed a lot.
Gomez has been superb this season, but I'd have to go with Virgil for our player of the season so far.

It would be a bigger meltdown if it was Virgil out for 6 weeks rather than Gomez.

I think either Lovren or Matip will improve massively playing alongside Virgil too.

m3sye

20,018 posts

137 months

Thursday 6th December
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wjb said:
Gomez has been superb this season, but I'd have to go with Virgil for our player of the season so far.

It would be a bigger meltdown if it was Virgil out for 6 weeks rather than Gomez.

I think either Lovren or Matip will improve massively playing alongside Virgil too.
Having seen them both play with Virgil this year none are at Gomez level so let's hope it doesn't hurt us to much

wjb

2,369 posts

67 months

Thursday 6th December
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ferrisbueller said:
I also think Fernandinho may be one of the most under-the-radar players in the league. He is quality, week in, week out. That's the level Fabinho should be looking at. He still strolls about too much for me; makes me wonder about his engine.
Similar players.

Brazilian - check
Bald head - check
Single name that begins with F - check

hehe

Unfortunately that's where the similarities end. Fernandinio is probably City's most important player, he runs around from minute one, putting fires out, passing intelligently, and making interceptions & tackles in the midfield like no one else. They don't have a direct replacement for him, unlike other positions.

He's dirty as well, always making clever fouls disrupting the opposition, but he hardly ever even gets a card, I'd love for Fabinho to take a leaf out of his book and I honestly think he could develop into a similar player given time, but I also have doubts over his fitness like you do.

m3sye

20,018 posts

137 months

Thursday 6th December
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Doubts on his fitness???
Last game he covered the most distance by any Liverpool player scratchchin

ferrisbueller

21,981 posts

163 months

Thursday 6th December
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Given your earlier admission that you just make things up, statements of fact probably need to be accompanied with a reference now.

Regardless, he still strolls about, gets caught out/switches off too often. Hopefully he'll keep improving (if he doesn't leave, per rumours).

desolate

15,353 posts

164 months

Thursday 6th December
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m3sye said:
Doubts on his fitness???
Last game he covered the most distance by any Liverpool player scratchchin
Is there a site that shows these stats? being a sad case I'd be interested in reviewing things like that

m3sye

20,018 posts

137 months

Thursday 6th December
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ferrisbueller said:
Given your earlier admission that you just make things up, statements of fact probably need to be accompanied with a reference now.

Regardless, he still strolls about, gets caught out/switches off too often. Hopefully he'll keep improving (if he doesn't leave, per rumours).
Will the Times do Ferris ?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/juergen-klopp-m...

A matter of time till we see him and Keita as our 1st choice midfielders with 1 other for me.

m3sye

20,018 posts

137 months

Thursday 6th December
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Anyone think we will go back in for Fekir in the summer for a much reduced fee?

30m ish?

Rumours were the knee injury meant we wanted to offer less and how it was paid, next summer we will be in a much stronger position.

Cbull

3,982 posts

107 months

Thursday 6th December
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Old Man Fred said:
iirc the law changed a few years ago to say that people off the pitch can still be offside.
Didn't realise either, that'll explain it then I suppose. On another point, he's not interfering with play until the the ball rebounded off the post. On that logic he's onside. Whatevs though, it's done now.

I'm with Sye on the Alisson hyperbowl. The difference between keepers this season and last is night and day. Karius would've let a lot in some of the most basic shots, never mind the ones that had veered away from very middle of the goal. With us having so many games won by 1 it would have made a huge difference this season. Our defence wouldn't be looking as good as they are with an average keeper in the net. We've been missi g a top quality keeper for many years, dare I say the best since Brucey.

On Fekir though. As good as he is and he'd bring fantastic competition but who would you drop? I personally think his arrival would bring a little unrest to Salah/Mane. I think that transfer is dead after the failed medical. Is anyone else similar linked?

type-r

6,580 posts

149 months

Friday 7th December
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Cbull said:
On Fekir though. As good as he is and he'd bring fantastic competition but who would you drop? I personally think his arrival would bring a little unrest to Salah/Mane. I think that transfer is dead after the failed medical. Is anyone else similar linked?
I know who I'd drop - and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't ruffle any feathers in here any more.

Fekir would complement Salah & Mane as he wouldn't be replacing either but filling the hole that Coutinho left. We badly need someone of his ability and calibre - I would love for Klopp to go back in him in the Jan transfer window - though I say that purely with my fan hat on.

We definitely need a player in the middle that can take our game to the next level.

jammy-git

21,239 posts

148 months

Friday 7th December
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m3sye said:
Anyone think we will go back in for Fekir in the summer for a much reduced fee?

30m ish?

Rumours were the knee injury meant we wanted to offer less and how it was paid, next summer we will be in a much stronger position.
I think it would have to be less than that. I don't think it was just the transfer fee that was the issue. When you include wages it's a big gamble to have someone out for a whole season if that knee goes, all whilst picking up £100k+ a week!

I think it would have to be less than £25m, that way we'll have saved ourselves a year or more of wages on the transfer fee.

desolate

15,353 posts

164 months

Friday 7th December
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Surely it's not a question of "dropping" anyone?

City have a whole matchday squad of first choice players. Our squad is better than it has been but when city rotate it's difficult to say which of the players is the best in most of their positions.

So to keep om their heels there's no doubt we need more high quality players across all the positions.

jammy-git

21,239 posts

148 months

Friday 7th December
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desolate said:
Surely it's not a question of "dropping" anyone?

City have a whole matchday squad of first choice players. Our squad is better than it has been but when city rotate it's difficult to say which of the players is the best in most of their positions.

So to keep om their heels there's no doubt we need more high quality players across all the positions.
City really do perform a bit of a magic trick though. They have players that don't get a game in 5 and then come in and look to be at the top of their game.

Utd at the other end of the scale have players that come in and look just as st as the player they've replaced.

I do think we need to rotate more though. I think we could be using Origi and Sturridge more than we have and giving Salah, Mane or Firmino the odd game off (not just through injury).

GloverMart

8,419 posts

151 months

Friday 7th December
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jammy-git said:
City really do perform a bit of a magic trick though. They have players that don't get a game in 5 and then come in and look to be at the top of their game.

Utd at the other end of the scale have players that come in and look just as st as the player they've replaced.
hehe

Love that, Jammy! Think it's as much to do with the man at the top of the tree at each club. Both teams play in the image of their managers (as do many sides) so City play with a freedom, a smile on their face and very stylish while Man U are dull, boorish, overly aggressive and as un-stylish as you can get.

m3sye

20,018 posts

137 months

Friday 7th December
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jammy-git said:
City really do perform a bit of a magic trick though. They have players that don't get a game in 5 and then come in and look to be at the top of their game.

Utd at the other end of the scale have players that come in and look just as st as the player they've replaced.

I do think we need to rotate more though. I think we could be using Origi and Sturridge more than we have and giving Salah, Mane or Firmino the odd game off (not just through injury).
The difference with City is the players that come in could easily start week in week out - this is the point I was trying to make with Lallana at the start of the season and I got shot down - he is a good player if you want to maybe challenge 6-3rd, but we are now at a level where if we want to win the league we need to have better options than, Lallana, Origi, Sturridge, Matip etc etc - City lose De bruyne, Silva, Aguero, in come Sane, Silva, Jesus

Long term we could not give those players games week in week out as it makes our 1st 11 much weaker - I know City have a massive pot but were not skint and if we are to really get above them I think that will be the step we have to make. We need another top top striker who can come in and fight it out with Bobby, Salah, another Creative Midfielder in Fekir - I would class Lovren as good enough back up to Gomez, RB i think we need some more competition and poss LB.

If you dont agree I would say ask yourself would any of those 4 options I've listed above make Citys bench ahead of their subs -

Only have to look at Ings at Southampton, doing OK not setting it alight over there, good player just won't win you the league and that is the change in mentality we have to have if we want to break this run of not winning the league.

For me we will need 1 big investment window