The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]
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jammy-git said:
If we win the title with those kind of performances, I for one am not going to complain. At all! However my view, for a long time now, has been that we're unlikely to win the title if our performances don't improve. In all honesty I cannot believe we're still in with a shot of winning the league given some of the performances we've put in.
The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.
Couldn't agree more. The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.
Cbull said:
Nothing wrong with ex players celebrating goals imo. They just need to do it respectfully and not like Neville did. I was strangely happy he scored for some reason.
Overall poor performance today but it could have been much worse I'm ecstatic we at least got a win and managed to stay in with a shout for the league.
Salah needs to keep his head up, you can see he's getting really frustrated with himself. Trent is the best right back in the Europe one day then the next struggles to cross a simple ball, suppose experience should fix that. Is it just me or is Bobby looking a tad over weight? I do like him but I definitely think we should be upgrading in that position come summer lol.
Don't care how we win, as long as its a win though. VvD's valuation must have dropped 50 million easy, he must only be worth 170 million now.
Have to agree about the celebrating - Babel should have been happy to celebrate with his new team mates. Its not as if he dumped Liverpool to go to Fulham - its the other way around in anything. Overall poor performance today but it could have been much worse I'm ecstatic we at least got a win and managed to stay in with a shout for the league.
Salah needs to keep his head up, you can see he's getting really frustrated with himself. Trent is the best right back in the Europe one day then the next struggles to cross a simple ball, suppose experience should fix that. Is it just me or is Bobby looking a tad over weight? I do like him but I definitely think we should be upgrading in that position come summer lol.
Don't care how we win, as long as its a win though. VvD's valuation must have dropped 50 million easy, he must only be worth 170 million now.
The booing of Ross Barclay during the Everton match yesterday was the same for me. yes, he wanted away and that affected his last year badly, but he was finished in our team, and was clearly the point of much criticism for many poor performances by the whole team, but we got paid handsomely for him and that money has bought other players. I almost wanted him to plant a belter from 30 yards into our net yesterday. Almost.
Players move on. Lets all get over it I say.
type-r said:
jammy-git said:
If we win the title with those kind of performances, I for one am not going to complain. At all! However my view, for a long time now, has been that we're unlikely to win the title if our performances don't improve. In all honesty I cannot believe we're still in with a shot of winning the league given some of the performances we've put in.
The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.
Couldn't agree more. The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.
TTmonkey said:
Cbull said:
Nothing wrong with ex players celebrating goals imo. They just need to do it respectfully and not like Neville did. I was strangely happy he scored for some reason.
Overall poor performance today but it could have been much worse I'm ecstatic we at least got a win and managed to stay in with a shout for the league.
Salah needs to keep his head up, you can see he's getting really frustrated with himself. Trent is the best right back in the Europe one day then the next struggles to cross a simple ball, suppose experience should fix that. Is it just me or is Bobby looking a tad over weight? I do like him but I definitely think we should be upgrading in that position come summer lol.
Don't care how we win, as long as its a win though. VvD's valuation must have dropped 50 million easy, he must only be worth 170 million now.
Have to agree about the celebrating - Babel should have been happy to celebrate with his new team mates. Its not as if he dumped Liverpool to go to Fulham - its the other way around in anything. Overall poor performance today but it could have been much worse I'm ecstatic we at least got a win and managed to stay in with a shout for the league.
Salah needs to keep his head up, you can see he's getting really frustrated with himself. Trent is the best right back in the Europe one day then the next struggles to cross a simple ball, suppose experience should fix that. Is it just me or is Bobby looking a tad over weight? I do like him but I definitely think we should be upgrading in that position come summer lol.
Don't care how we win, as long as its a win though. VvD's valuation must have dropped 50 million easy, he must only be worth 170 million now.
The booing of Ross Barclay during the Everton match yesterday was the same for me. yes, he wanted away and that affected his last year badly, but he was finished in our team, and was clearly the point of much criticism for many poor performances by the whole team, but we got paid handsomely for him and that money has bought other players. I almost wanted him to plant a belter from 30 yards into our net yesterday. Almost.
Players move on. Lets all get over it I say.
Milly will end his career at Leeds and everyone will be stoked for him.
Stirling will never be welcomed back if he wanted to.
Happened to Owen as well.
type-r said:
jammy-git said:
If we win the title with those kind of performances, I for one am not going to complain. At all! However my view, for a long time now, has been that we're unlikely to win the title if our performances don't improve. In all honesty I cannot believe we're still in with a shot of winning the league given some of the performances we've put in.
The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.
Couldn't agree more. The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.
Pommy said:
It depends how they move on.
Milly will end his career at Leeds and everyone will be stoked for him.
Stirling will never be welcomed back if he wanted to.
Happened to Owen as well.
All true - however Owen did want to come back and it wasn't really his fault ultimately he couldn't. Although given he was well past his peak anyway, it's immaterial but Owen diesn't really belong in the "classless little sMilly will end his career at Leeds and everyone will be stoked for him.
Stirling will never be welcomed back if he wanted to.
Happened to Owen as well.
tehawk" box with "T-Rex Arms" Sterling.Few of our ex players on tv later
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/tv/who-harrys...
I last saw Razer on Can't pay wont pay, or something like that, his face was pixellated but very recognisable......
He owed some money to a kennels, and was a complete "dont you know who i am" tit.
Programme looks entertaining anyway
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/tv/who-harrys...
I last saw Razer on Can't pay wont pay, or something like that, his face was pixellated but very recognisable......
He owed some money to a kennels, and was a complete "dont you know who i am" tit.
Programme looks entertaining anyway
Flip Martian said:
All true - however Owen did want to come back and it wasn't really his fault ultimately he couldn't. Although given he was well past his peak anyway, it's immaterial but Owen diesn't really belong in the "classless little stehawk" box with "T-Rex Arms" Sterling.
Classless little stehawk" box with "T-Rex Arms" Sterling.tehawk is a perfect description for Owen.I remember him sitting on the bench at Grazer in 2004 knowing full well he wouldn't come on because he was going to Madrid.
Flip Martian said:
All true - however Owen did want to come back and it wasn't really his fault ultimately he couldn't. Although given he was well past his peak anyway, it's immaterial but Owen diesn't really belong in the "classless little stehawk" box with "T-Rex Arms" Sterling.
Owen forced his way out, never gave Rafa a chance.tehawk" box with "T-Rex Arms" Sterling.He was England’s number one striker at a time where English players were commanding a premium. We got £8M and Antonio Nunez.
Will never be welcome in my book.
No surprise he wanted back in, we were doing well with Torres and he only had Newcastle showing any interest.
Edited by Vee on Monday 18th March 21:22
Yep, he's a horrid little rodent. I'm still bitter from the way he left. At the time imo he was the best striker in the world and ran his contract out. We should have got a world record fee. Glad his career went down hill from leaving, never really settled anywhere after us. Could have been a LFC legend.
Obviously lots will say otherwise but I know a few people that have had dealings with him, apparantly not a very pleasant chap off the camera to us normal Joe's. Very snobby.
Oh, then he went and played for them the other end of the 62. Much worse than Sterling.
Hate even hearing give his opinion of LFC affairs.
Yep, still bitter.
LFC youngsters are in the Youth Cup final, likely against Citeh.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/academy/342287-pa...
Obviously lots will say otherwise but I know a few people that have had dealings with him, apparantly not a very pleasant chap off the camera to us normal Joe's. Very snobby.
Oh, then he went and played for them
the other end of the 62. Much worse than Sterling. Hate even hearing give his opinion of LFC affairs.
Yep, still bitter.
LFC youngsters are in the Youth Cup final, likely against Citeh.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/academy/342287-pa...
Cbull said:
Yep, he's a horrid little rodent. I'm still bitter from the way he left. At the time imo he was the best striker in the world and ran his contract out. We should have got a world record fee. Glad his career went down hill from leaving, never really settled anywhere after us. Could have been a LFC legend.
Obviously lots will say otherwise but I know a few people that have had dealings with him, apparantly not a very pleasant chap off the camera to us normal Joe's. Very snobby.
Oh, then he went and played for them the other end of the 62. Much worse than Sterling.
Hate even hearing give his opinion of LFC affairs.
Yep, still bitter.
Classy Obviously lots will say otherwise but I know a few people that have had dealings with him, apparantly not a very pleasant chap off the camera to us normal Joe's. Very snobby.
Oh, then he went and played for them
the other end of the 62. Much worse than Sterling. Hate even hearing give his opinion of LFC affairs.
Yep, still bitter.
All I will say to the Owen haters is his account of back then is a bit different and sounds pretty honest. And is nothing like how Sterling behaved.
In any case in his own words, his pace was gone from too many injuries and he wasn't half the player he was before - hence him not doing anything special anywhere after he left us. He was never going to be a legend - he left Anfield already less than the player he was earlier.
In any case in his own words, his pace was gone from too many injuries and he wasn't half the player he was before - hence him not doing anything special anywhere after he left us. He was never going to be a legend - he left Anfield already less than the player he was earlier.
I remember being annoyed at the time with Owen but still bitter? Bloody hell no, life is way too short for that crap.
How is his running down the contract for a bigger deal different from Ramsey or Can and many others, or was he just our first and most prominent example of this new behaviour?
How is his running down the contract for a bigger deal different from Ramsey or Can and many others, or was he just our first and most prominent example of this new behaviour?
Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 19th March 09:21
I didn't mind Owen leaving, I wasn't arsed.
Him going to utd was poor form though, I respect Gary Neville more than Owen tbf.
At the end of the day players don't care, 99% of them aren't fans, football is a business so they'll go where the money is.
Owen, Torres, Suarez, Sterling & Coutinho all left. Sturridge would've probably left too if he was fit.
Make no mistake, our current top players will all do the same. We just replace them and move on.
Him going to utd was poor form though, I respect Gary Neville more than Owen tbf.
At the end of the day players don't care, 99% of them aren't fans, football is a business so they'll go where the money is.
Owen, Torres, Suarez, Sterling & Coutinho all left. Sturridge would've probably left too if he was fit.
Make no mistake, our current top players will all do the same. We just replace them and move on.
wjb said:
I didn't mind Owen leaving, I wasn't arsed.
Him going to utd was poor form though, I respect Gary Neville more than Owen tbf.
At the end of the day players don't care, 99% of them aren't fans, football is a business so they'll go where the money is.
Owen, Torres, Suarez, Sterling & Coutinho all left. Sturridge would've probably left too if he was fit.
Make no mistake, our current top players will all do the same. We just replace them and move on.
Of course. I take absolutely no notice of players professing their love of the club blablabla these days - its meaningless. If we weren't perceived as a team going for success, Van Dijk would have gone elsewhere and Alisson wouldn't have come here either. And if we ultimately fail to win trophies they'll be off pretty quick too.Him going to utd was poor form though, I respect Gary Neville more than Owen tbf.
At the end of the day players don't care, 99% of them aren't fans, football is a business so they'll go where the money is.
Owen, Torres, Suarez, Sterling & Coutinho all left. Sturridge would've probably left too if he was fit.
Make no mistake, our current top players will all do the same. We just replace them and move on.
Simon Hughes' Ring Of Fire has some eye opening interviews with Owen and Torres, among others. I disliked Torres before reading the book, for similar reasons people hate Owen now - after reading it I didn't, and totally understood why he left as he did. Similar with Owen. Clubs can be pretty s
tty to work for, same as any other workplace, I guess.Weirdly I cant really remember Owen leaving or how I felt. I was gutted when Torres left and Suarez. Sterling was the worst, easily my most disliked ex Liverpool player, he was bang average for a a couple of years too although he has come good now, albeit not for England without the stars around him. At least £50m back then was good money.
I had just put Owen and number 10 on my new jersey. 2 days before he left. I'd have forgiven him if he didn't go to them.
Torres, he's back in my good books. My God he was incredible. Suarez the same, he gave every last ounce he had to deliver us the title before he left, he left with his head held high imo.
Torres, he's back in my good books. My God he was incredible. Suarez the same, he gave every last ounce he had to deliver us the title before he left, he left with his head held high imo.
epom said:
I had just put Owen and number 10 on my new jersey. 2 days before he left. I'd have forgiven him if he didn't go to them.
Torres, he's back in my good books. My God he was incredible. Suarez the same, he gave every last ounce he had to deliver us the title before he left, he left with his head held high imo.
Suarez probably the best player to play for us since the 80s.Torres, he's back in my good books. My God he was incredible. Suarez the same, he gave every last ounce he had to deliver us the title before he left, he left with his head held high imo.
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