The Official Tottenham Hotspud thread [Vol 11]

[48k]

The problem we would have if Poch went is the players who would follow him.

He is the absolute linchpin of the project at Spurs and without him it will be a struggle to keep key players. If the team starts getting broken up there will be instability which will affect results and progress in competitions, which the club needs in order to get money in.

Levy is too smart to allow that to happen.

And I honestly think Poch is too invested in the project so far to walk away at this stage.

[NRS]

It's absolutely hilarious this thread. And people call us delusional! The thought that a shiny new training ground is what keeps a manager at a club,

Man U are actually pretty ok in supporting a manager - the issue is the last 3 managers have a average position of 5th in the league - which of course is not good enough for a club of that size. I'd suspect Poch could do better than that, based on his time at Spurs and before.

As for why choosing United when Real was turned down - more likely to be given time to build a team, also probably he was promised funds to spend, which has not happened. So he might just think what's the point if he was lied to (based on rumours of course)? Flip side is climate and Real being an even bigger club.

He seems someone who will stick by Tottenham, and of course has a team that is doing well for him. But just bear in mind what it was like when you lot picked him up:

https://metro.co.uk/2014/05/28/mauricio-pochettino...

It's not to say history will repeat, but it's interesting considering the views of many on here/ his quotes at the time etc, versus what actually happened.

[48k]

NRS said:

It's absolutely hilarious this thread. And people call us delusional! The thought that a shiny new training ground is what keeps a manager at a club,

Can you quote where someone has stated that? Because no one has.

Maybe making things up is why people think you are delusional?

[NRS]

Here you go as one example:

LoonyTunes said:

They can try but they are asking him to give up...

Far superior training ground

[LoonyTunes]

NRS said:

It's absolutely hilarious this thread. And people call us delusional! The thought that a shiny new training ground is what keeps a manager at a club,

A whole list of reasons was given - that was just one of them - An almost £1bn stadium helps Poch knows what this has taken to achieve and what it will bring in the future.

NRS said:

As for why choosing United when Real was turned down - more likely to be given time to build a team, also probably he was promised funds to spend, which has not happened. So he might just think what's the point if he was lied to (based on rumours of course)? Flip side is climate and Real being an even bigger club.

A couple of counter points...

1. Real are currently the Champions of Europe and only needed tinkering with at the margins to keep their standards up - United are light years away from that kind of scenario. Poch could have had all of the Glory/Players/Wages he could imagine there fighting for the ECL every single year and with a great chance of winning it at least once.

2. Nobody knows if the players he might have wanted/requested didn't want to come so rather than buy for the sake of it Poch was happy for Levy to keep his wallet in his back pocket. To add to that, Poch has made no complaints about Levy on the non-buying of players in the last transfer window.

[TEKNOPUG]

United need to win the league for it to be considered a successful season. In order to do that they need a better team than City. Given that they currently only have one player who could even compete for a starting place at City; how much money and how many years would it take to assemble a better team than City, assuming that City will continue to invest also?

5 years of continously out spending City? Will there really be that level of commitment from the club?

Currently seems like a very well paid poison chalice.

I'd suggest that now would not be the best time to become United manager. I think they will still be on a downward curve for another couple of seasons at least.

[Guvernator]

Poch will be a target because he has done wonders at Spurs with very little money, tbh even I get a bit excited thinking about what he could do with an almost unlimited budget.

But he will also be one amongst half a dozen other candidates and probably one of the more difficult to pry away. He seems well invested in the Spurs project and he is already on very good money so the only thing which might tempt him is the promise of full autonomy and a very good transfer budget. Not saying it would never happen but there are much easier targets to aim for.

I think there are already rumours of a caretaker manager "steeped in United history" anyway so this won't be settled any time soon.

[48k]

NRS said:

Here you go as one example:

LoonyTunes said:

They can try but they are asking him to give up...

Far superior training ground

Quoting _one_ reason (of many) out of context is not the same as someone stating it is the only single reason.

[48k]

Guvernator said:

I think there are already rumours of a caretaker manager "steeped in United history" anyway so this won't be settled any time soon.

Sir Alex surely?

Bottom line is, whoever the caretaker is I guarantee we will see a totally different Utd for the rest of the season. The players will be itching to show what they can do now the cloud has been lifted from Old Trafford.

[mickk]

Guvernator said:

I think there are already rumours of a caretaker manager "steeped in United history" anyway so this won't be settled any time soon.

Please let it be Roy Keane.

[TEKNOPUG]

Guvernator said:

Poch will be a target because he has done wonders at Spurs with very little money, tbh even I get a bit excited thinking about what he could do with an almost unlimited budget.

But he will also be one amongst half a dozen other candidates and probably one of the more difficult to pry away. He seems well invested in the Spurs project and he is already on very good money so the only thing which might tempt him is the promise of full autonomy and a very good transfer budget. Not saying it would never happen but there are much easier targets to aim for.

I think there are already rumours of a caretaker manager "steeped in United history" anyway so this won't be settled any time soon.

It's still a huge ask, even with a big transfer budget. Your looking at possibly a dozen squad players being upgraded. Most of the top players are already at top clubs like City, PSG, Juve, Real Barca etc. Those that aren't, you will be competing with the aforementioned clubs for their signatures. I don't think it's as simple having a big transfer budget, unless it's like a billion quid over a couple of windows! Then there is the issue of moving on the players you don't want, who are on big wages. All the while improving the style and performance of the team. And delivering "success"....

There have been 5-6 years of bad signings, mismanagment and under development in the squad, that I'd imagine will take just as long to rectify. If you United were to offer an 8 year contract, with total player signing control and guaranteed budget, with no expectation of winning the league for 5 years, then I'm sure they'd have lots of takers

I think that Poch will figure that this current Spurs squad have annother couple of years of improvement in it and he's still a young manager whose stock will continue to rise. Now would not be the best time to join United. Let someone else get it on an even keel and sort a lot of the back room issues (players and staff) before taking the reigns in earnest.

[HRL]

Poch has said he'll go as long as he can take Sissoko with him.

[mickk]

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[Black can man]

United seem to have more issues than just a new manager would solve IMHO.

Why would Poch want to put his immaculate reputation on the line ? Can’t be money as He’s on bundles at Spurs & the fans adore him.

As said in an earlier post, he has a good friendly working Relationship with Daniel Levy , if his book is to be believed.

All this bks about levy not backing him In January or the summer ! How the fk do any of us know what about he future plans on recruitment are ?

Then again as i always say everyone has a price but this one would be huge .

[NRS]

48k said:

NRS said:

Here you go as one example:

LoonyTunes said:

They can try but they are asking him to give up...

Far superior training ground

Quoting _one_ reason (of many) out of context is not the same as someone stating it is the only single reason.

You lot do it all the time - pick one post and apply it to us all. However I never said it was the only reason. Just stuff like that is stupid to post as a reason for keeping a manager - as with several others of those posted.

LoonyTunes said:

NRS said:

It's absolutely hilarious this thread. And people call us delusional! The thought that a shiny new training ground is what keeps a manager at a club,

A whole list of reasons was given - that was just one of them - An almost £1bn stadium helps Poch knows what this has taken to achieve and what it will bring in the future.

NRS said:

As for why choosing United when Real was turned down - more likely to be given time to build a team, also probably he was promised funds to spend, which has not happened. So he might just think what's the point if he was lied to (based on rumours of course)? Flip side is climate and Real being an even bigger club.

A couple of counter points...

1. Real are currently the Champions of Europe and only needed tinkering with at the margins to keep their standards up - United are light years away from that kind of scenario. Poch could have had all of the Glory/Players/Wages he could imagine there fighting for the ECL every single year and with a great chance of winning it at least once.

2. Nobody knows if the players he might have wanted/requested didn't want to come so rather than buy for the sake of it Poch was happy for Levy to keep his wallet in his back pocket. To add to that, Poch has made no complaints about Levy on the non-buying of players in the last transfer window.

The only good thing about a stadium for manager is basically the money it brings in - and United have more of that to spend than you. How would you feel if we said Klopp wouldn't go to Real because he's got Anfield and a great history? It's silly reasons to give IMO.

Yes and no. Of couse a better start, but you don't even get given a whole season there if you don't start well. I'd suspect Poch who is proven to build a good team over time would be wary of this. I suspect United would give a bit more time. I'm also pretty sure people are underestimating United's players. I think Jose has likely done what he did at Chelsea. Remember there he took a team to fighting for relegation than won the league the year after. I don't think United are that good, but I think we will see them playing a lot better with a decent manager who has them playing for him.

That's why I said rumours - but you lot were the ones posting about Poch signing up and Levy promised a lot more spending. As of now there has been little, and sounds like not much this January either from a quote a week or two ago on here.

[NRS]

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[Black can man]

Black can man said:

Stop WUMMING ffs

[48k]

NRS said:

I never said it was the only reason. Just stuff like that is stupid to post as a reason for keeping a manager .

NRS said:

The thought that a shiny new training ground is what keeps a manager at a club,

[Black can man]

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[Guvernator]

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