The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 8)
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uk66fastback said:
You're making excuses for Maureen there I'm afraid. There are so many changes HE has decided to make, to try and arrive at that magic formula. You can't put it ALL down to injury which is what you've basically said.
Eh? I said at the start I believe it's a number of factors not just one thing ie. injury. I do think Mourinho has to shoulder some of the blame, it's up to him to change things up if things aren't working and to get it right. But I do not think that he's the sole issue. There are other factors at play here. I'm hearing that Pogba wasn't a Mourinho signing but the club wanted him. Maybe, just maybe Mourinho knows what he wants but the club don't deliver? That's Woodward. So it's harsh to blame Mourinho completely.
Alpinestars said:
Too many “excuses” for me in that lot. I don’t think Maureen knows his best 11 or has a preferred formation or style of play. He has to take a lot of the blame.
Some of the players have been terrible, either through lack of confidence, ability or effort.
Woodward and the Board are procrastinating whilst the sand is running through their fingers.
The whole thing is almost as comical as our defending. Which is truly schoolboy.
I forget which presser it was but Maureen has admitted the approach changed this season to be less defensively sound and to attack more. We're not asking as much of the forward 3 players in the hope that we won't need them as much in the defensive third. that's backfired as the front 3 haven't been doing enough to win matches. Some of the players have been terrible, either through lack of confidence, ability or effort.
Woodward and the Board are procrastinating whilst the sand is running through their fingers.
The whole thing is almost as comical as our defending. Which is truly schoolboy.
Edited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFcnTdFIoh8 - Post match press conference vs Bournemouth
s I said plenty of factors at play here leading us to where we are.
Maybe it's just one of those s
tty seasons that become a complete write off. I guess the Billion pound question is - Is he the man to take us forward or will it be someone else? If someone else, who?
We know Woodward's going nowhere and the players, some will stay, some will go, I noticed the contract talks have been largely forgotten about and the players who at the end of season their contracts run out we're not hearing about the club activating the extension clauses, other than De Gea, so I can't help but think there is planning now for next season already underway.
That back 4 last night was a bit of a joke, Valencia (old), Bailly (flop), Jones (Jones) and Rojo (just back).
Edited by anniesdad on Thursday 13th December 16:42
Alpinestars said:
NRS said:
Whoever said you are in transition a few weeks ago is right - just you're transitioning from the top team in the land to one of the pack. Same as we did before you, and as many of us pointed out could well be happening previously. Which was not WUMing, just we have seen it before with Liverpool, so recognise it is likely happening to you lot now.
That’s a false equivalence. There are comparisons, like prior dominance followed by a downfall, but it doesn’t mean we will go the same way you did. Now: 6th
17/18: 2nd
16/17: 6th
15/16: 5th
14/15: 4th
13/14: 7th
Your average position over the last 6 years/since losing Fergie is 5th currently. 6 years is not a short time, and even in the year you came 2nd you were nowhere near City. Of course it could all change, but to say you're not declining and potentially going the same we did is denial worthy of one of us.
NRS said:
Alpinestars said:
NRS said:
Whoever said you are in transition a few weeks ago is right - just you're transitioning from the top team in the land to one of the pack. Same as we did before you, and as many of us pointed out could well be happening previously. Which was not WUMing, just we have seen it before with Liverpool, so recognise it is likely happening to you lot now.
That’s a false equivalence. There are comparisons, like prior dominance followed by a downfall, but it doesn’t mean we will go the same way you did. Now: 6th
17/18: 2nd
16/17: 6th
15/16: 5th
14/15: 4th
13/14: 7th
Your average position over the last 6 years/since losing Fergie is 5th currently. 6 years is not a short time, and even in the year you came 2nd you were nowhere near City. Of course it could all change, but to say you're not declining and potentially going the same we did is denial worthy of one of us.
anniesdad said:
I forget which presser it was but Maureen has admitted the approach changed this season to be less defensively sound and to attack more. We're not asking as much of the forward 3 players in the hope that we won't need them as much in the defensive third. that's backfired as the front 3 haven't been doing enough to win matches.
As I said plenty of factors at play here leading us to where we are.
Maybe it's just one of those stty seasons that become a complete write off.
I guess the Billion pound question is - Is he the man to take us forward or will it be someone else? If someone else, who?
(just back).
No he’s not the man to take us forward. As I said plenty of factors at play here leading us to where we are.
Maybe it's just one of those s
tty seasons that become a complete write off. I guess the Billion pound question is - Is he the man to take us forward or will it be someone else? If someone else, who?
(just back).
Poch - if we can line Levy’s pockets enough.
Zidane - but I’m not convinced with him.
Blanc, Giggs, Carrick, but none of those has enough experience, maybe with the exception of LB.
Alpinestars said:
Poch - if we can line Levy’s pockets enough.
It's not about lining Levy's pockets enough.Would he want to leave Spurs?
Would he go to United if he did?
Even if Levy was open to offers why would he take anything less than what he'd accept for a Gareth Bale or Harry Kane - A world record type offer. A paltry £25m or so would be damn all to him in this financial climate but would United offer that kind of money for a Manager?
Alpinestars said:
anniesdad said:
I forget which presser it was but Maureen has admitted the approach changed this season to be less defensively sound and to attack more. We're not asking as much of the forward 3 players in the hope that we won't need them as much in the defensive third. that's backfired as the front 3 haven't been doing enough to win matches.
As I said plenty of factors at play here leading us to where we are.
Maybe it's just one of those stty seasons that become a complete write off.
I guess the Billion pound question is - Is he the man to take us forward or will it be someone else? If someone else, who?
(just back).
No he’s not the man to take us forward. As I said plenty of factors at play here leading us to where we are.
Maybe it's just one of those s
tty seasons that become a complete write off. I guess the Billion pound question is - Is he the man to take us forward or will it be someone else? If someone else, who?
(just back).
Poch - if we can line Levy’s pockets enough.
Zidane - but I’m not convinced with him.
Blanc, Giggs, Carrick, but none of those has enough experience, maybe with the exception of LB.
The reason I ask is he's won far more in his time as a manager than those (yes, yes I know) and he's only in his mid 50's. So he's got loads of time ahead of him. It might be true that he doesn't work his team as hard as say Guardiola but you've seen this season already that Klopp has changed Liverpool somewhat to a less frantic approach. Spurs I've not seen much if any improvement from last. For Mourinho to change the style of play shouldn't be too traumatic but is he prepared to take that leap? Maybe the link to the presser I posted earlier gives us some insight into what's going on?
I think you're dreaming to think we can get Pochettino. They have a project that I'm sure he feels fully a part of and Levy (if/when the clubs come knocking) will line his pockets.
LoonyTunes said:
It's not about lining Levy's pockets enough.
Would he want to leave Spurs?
Would he go to United if he did?
Even if Levy was open to offers why would he take anything less than what he'd accept for a Gareth Bale or Harry Kane - A world record type offer. A paltry £25m or so would be damn all to him in this financial climate but would United offer that kind of money for a Manager?
25 million is a few weeks interest payments on your stadium so it has to be tempting.Would he want to leave Spurs?
Would he go to United if he did?
Even if Levy was open to offers why would he take anything less than what he'd accept for a Gareth Bale or Harry Kane - A world record type offer. A paltry £25m or so would be damn all to him in this financial climate but would United offer that kind of money for a Manager?
And yes of course UTD would offer that kind of money. They are a money printing machine.
Alpinestars said:
Are you really predicting 20 years hence?
Yes and no. Of course you could get another Fergie - but then so could anyone. Perhaps City already have one now too!? But you've lost the aura, you've lost the ability to attract the top talent generally (you can pay them more, but they're not desperate to join United knowing they will dominate there), you're down the league on average for more than just a season or two, and there isn't much to signal that you're going to recover. Owners seem ok with current situation, current manager seems to be all over the play, many players are not doing much/ are not good enough. So it's not likely that you will recover to top dog in the next few years either. Like us though you will have a huge support for many decades to come though, which might help. Or will perhaps be an issue, as no one is likely to match Fergie so there will always be huge pressure for not winning, even if they are perhaps a reasonable manager and did something like say Rafa did for us.
NRS said:
Yes and no. Of course you could get another Fergie - but then so could anyone. Perhaps City already have one now too!? But you've lost the aura, you've lost the ability to attract the top talent generally (you can pay them more, but they're not desperate to join United knowing they will dominate there), you're down the league on average for more than just a season or two, and there isn't much to signal that you're going to recover. Owners seem ok with current situation, current manager seems to be all over the play, many players are not doing much/ are not good enough. So it's not likely that you will recover to top dog in the next few years either.
Like us though you will have a huge support for many decades to come though, which might help. Or will perhaps be an issue, as no one is likely to match Fergie so there will always be huge pressure for not winning, even if they are perhaps a reasonable manager and did something like say Rafa did for us.
We don’t need a Fergie to surpass what you did after your dominance. Just one title in twenty years would do that. Like us though you will have a huge support for many decades to come though, which might help. Or will perhaps be an issue, as no one is likely to match Fergie so there will always be huge pressure for not winning, even if they are perhaps a reasonable manager and did something like say Rafa did for us.
LoonyTunes said:
Even if Levy was open to offers why would he take anything less than what he'd accept for a Gareth Bale or Harry Kane - A world record type offer. A paltry £25m or so would be damn all to him in this financial climate but would United offer that kind of money for a Manager?
I appreciate you're a Spurs fan so a bit blinkered, but you're dreaming if you think it would cost £150M-£200M. Managers aren't seen by clubs as assets the way that players are. That market doesn't exist. Unless you can tell me he has a buyout clause at that sort of level?desolate said:
LoonyTunes said:
It's not about lining Levy's pockets enough.
Would he want to leave Spurs?
Would he go to United if he did?
Even if Levy was open to offers why would he take anything less than what he'd accept for a Gareth Bale or Harry Kane - A world record type offer. A paltry £25m or so would be damn all to him in this financial climate but would United offer that kind of money for a Manager?
25 million is a few weeks interest payments on your stadium so it has to be tempting.Would he want to leave Spurs?
Would he go to United if he did?
Even if Levy was open to offers why would he take anything less than what he'd accept for a Gareth Bale or Harry Kane - A world record type offer. A paltry £25m or so would be damn all to him in this financial climate but would United offer that kind of money for a Manager?
And yes of course UTD would offer that kind of money. They are a money printing machine.
I'm also not sure you'd offer what Levy would want if he had a number in mind. Transfer fees for Managers are not in the same league as that for Players as a rule so I think they'd baulk at Levy's demands for compo for Poch.
anniesdad said:
Do you think Mourinho is done as a coach/manager? Past it?
The reason I ask is he's won far more in his time as a manager than those (yes, yes I know) and he's only in his mid 50's. So he's got loads of time ahead of him. It might be true that he doesn't work his team as hard as say Guardiola but you've seen this season already that Klopp has changed Liverpool somewhat to a less frantic approach. Spurs I've not seen much if any improvement from last. For Mourinho to change the style of play shouldn't be too traumatic but is he prepared to take that leap? Maybe the link to the presser I posted earlier gives us some insight into what's going on?
I think you're dreaming to think we can get Pochettino. They have a project that I'm sure he feels fully a part of and Levy (if/when the clubs come knocking) will line his pockets.
I’m not sure he’s done, but the latest style of football is passing him by. The reason I ask is he's won far more in his time as a manager than those (yes, yes I know) and he's only in his mid 50's. So he's got loads of time ahead of him. It might be true that he doesn't work his team as hard as say Guardiola but you've seen this season already that Klopp has changed Liverpool somewhat to a less frantic approach. Spurs I've not seen much if any improvement from last. For Mourinho to change the style of play shouldn't be too traumatic but is he prepared to take that leap? Maybe the link to the presser I posted earlier gives us some insight into what's going on?
I think you're dreaming to think we can get Pochettino. They have a project that I'm sure he feels fully a part of and Levy (if/when the clubs come knocking) will line his pockets.
Lots of things have to fall in place with Poch, will he leave, for United, at what price?
LoonyTunes said:
Exactly...£25m wouldn't get you half a Sissoko at the moment - Doubt Levy would risk selling the best manager we've had in a long time for 2 weeks worth of Interest repayments
I'm also not sure you'd offer what Levy would want if he had a number in mind. Transfer fees for Managers are not in the same league as that for Players as a rule so I think they'd baulk at Levy's demands for compo for Poch.
Things are changing, who’d of thought we’d be saying that a keeper costing £75M would be seen as value for money a couple of years ago.I'm also not sure you'd offer what Levy would want if he had a number in mind. Transfer fees for Managers are not in the same league as that for Players as a rule so I think they'd baulk at Levy's demands for compo for Poch.
As I always say everyone is available at a price & if Poch wanted to go then fair enough we should let him.
Alpinestars said:
I’m not sure he’s done, but the latest style of football is passing him by.
Lots of things have to fall in place with Poch, will he leave, for United, at what price?
We do not have to speculate about whether Mou is done. We can see the evidence every week. He cannot pick a side; he cannot get one to play with any shape or intent; he can keep players happy, etc etc.Lots of things have to fall in place with Poch, will he leave, for United, at what price?
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