What the **** is wrong with people?
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egor110 said:
C70R said:
bad company said:
C70R said:
The example in the picture was racism.
Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.
It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.
I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.
I wouldn’t have reported it either. Most people won’t get involved whether at football or elsewhere.Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.
It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.
I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.
You don't think that's serious and upsetting enough for the victim to get "involved"? Do you not care enough about the feelings of the victim (in this case, a 24-year old bloke just going about his job)?
Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass.
Report it to the stewards , if they remove them what's your plan b ?
Perhaps your right and the clubs aren't going to do anything , so do you stop supporting the club or carry on pointlessly moaning on a car forum ?
There's nothing exceptional in that behaviour. That's just what normal people with good moral compasses would do.
C70R said:
I'd do exactly what I did when I was last at a match and heard someone abusing a player directly, using disgusting (but not racist) language. I'd report them to the stewards as soon as I could.
There's nothing exceptional in that behaviour. That's just what normal people with good moral compasses would do.
What did the stewards do when you reported the abuser to them?There's nothing exceptional in that behaviour. That's just what normal people with good moral compasses would do.
C70R said:
egor110 said:
C70R said:
bad company said:
C70R said:
The example in the picture was racism.
Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.
It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.
I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.
I wouldn’t have reported it either. Most people won’t get involved whether at football or elsewhere.Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.
It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.
I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.
You don't think that's serious and upsetting enough for the victim to get "involved"? Do you not care enough about the feelings of the victim (in this case, a 24-year old bloke just going about his job)?
Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass.
Report it to the stewards , if they remove them what's your plan b ?
Perhaps your right and the clubs aren't going to do anything , so do you stop supporting the club or carry on pointlessly moaning on a car forum ?
There's nothing exceptional in that behaviour. That's just what normal people with good moral compasses would do.
Perhaps your right and the clubs aren't really bothered what do you as a individual do ?
egor110 said:
C70R said:
egor110 said:
C70R said:
bad company said:
C70R said:
The example in the picture was racism.
Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.
It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.
I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.
I wouldn’t have reported it either. Most people won’t get involved whether at football or elsewhere.Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.
It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.
I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.
You don't think that's serious and upsetting enough for the victim to get "involved"? Do you not care enough about the feelings of the victim (in this case, a 24-year old bloke just going about his job)?
Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass.
Report it to the stewards , if they remove them what's your plan b ?
Perhaps your right and the clubs aren't going to do anything , so do you stop supporting the club or carry on pointlessly moaning on a car forum ?
There's nothing exceptional in that behaviour. That's just what normal people with good moral compasses would do.
Perhaps your right and the clubs aren't really bothered what do you as a individual do ?
The reality is that they don't like upsetting the gravy train, so they allow the fans to break their rules with impunity.
C70R said:
If he did that on Oxford Street, in earshot of the police, he'd be cautioned or arrested for a Section 5 public order offence.
Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. Its not comparable unless this was done in a stadium within earshot of a police officer (of which there are very few so unlikely to occur)
bad company said:
C70R said:
I'd do exactly what I did when I was last at a match and heard someone abusing a player directly, using disgusting (but not racist) language. I'd report them to the stewards as soon as I could.
There's nothing exceptional in that behaviour. That's just what normal people with good moral compasses would do.
What did the stewards do when you reported the abuser to them?There's nothing exceptional in that behaviour. That's just what normal people with good moral compasses would do.
It's actually pathetic. Clubs just don't care.
C70R said:
Pretended not to have heard it, when it was audible to everyone in a 20m+ radius. Then said he'd "keep an eye out" during the second half, and promptly continued to ignore more of the same behaviour. He then disappeared promptly at full time.
It's actually pathetic. Clubs just don't care.
I'm assuming you have encountered all Premier league/Championship clubs stewards and not just Chelsea and ArsenalIt's actually pathetic. Clubs just don't care.
pavarotti1980 said:
C70R said:
If he did that on Oxford Street, in earshot of the police, he'd be cautioned or arrested for a Section 5 public order offence.
Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. Its not comparable unless this was done in a stadium within earshot of a police officer (of which there are very few so unlikely to occur)
As for your Section 5 "maybe" point, you'd do well to educate yourself.
According to the law "A person is guilty of an offence if he uses threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour.".
That means that Mr Angry in the crowd would absolutely have been in contravention of Section 5, and liable for arrest. Whether an individual officer chooses to arrest him or not is immaterial. He's broken the law.
pavarotti1980 said:
C70R said:
Pretended not to have heard it, when it was audible to everyone in a 20m+ radius. Then said he'd "keep an eye out" during the second half, and promptly continued to ignore more of the same behaviour. He then disappeared promptly at full time.
It's actually pathetic. Clubs just don't care.
I'm assuming you have encountered all Premier league/Championship clubs stewards and not just Chelsea and ArsenalIt's actually pathetic. Clubs just don't care.
Away with you.
C70R said:
I notice you decided not to include the bit where I said it was in direct contravention of the club's own rules for fans. Their punishment for breaking those rules is ejection. The fan quite obviously wasn't ejected.
As for your Section 5 "maybe" point, you'd do well to educate yourself.
According to the law "A person is guilty of an offence if he uses threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour.".
That means that Mr Angry in the crowd would absolutely have been in contravention of Section 5, and liable for arrest. Whether an individual officer chooses to arrest him or not is immaterial. He's broken the law.
I am perfectly aware of the law and its contents thanks. However the example you used would be racially aggravated so falling under the s.31 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998. And there you were thinking you were a smart arse telling others to be educated As for your Section 5 "maybe" point, you'd do well to educate yourself.
According to the law "A person is guilty of an offence if he uses threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour.".
That means that Mr Angry in the crowd would absolutely have been in contravention of Section 5, and liable for arrest. Whether an individual officer chooses to arrest him or not is immaterial. He's broken the law.
C70R said:
What a silly, reductive argument.
Away with you.
No unless you can categorically state that all upper tier clubs are equivalent in their response to reports you can't label "football" all the same. So we can assume your generalisation is based on Arsenal and Chelsea stewards being complicit in normalising racist behaviourAway with you.
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 25th May 15:24
C70R said:
Exactly my point. The theory goes that the stewards have mandate and power to remove these individuals.
The reality is that they don't like upsetting the gravy train, so they allow the fans to break their rules with impunity.
Giving a body power to remove fans isn't the same as ability.The reality is that they don't like upsetting the gravy train, so they allow the fans to break their rules with impunity.
Stewards are not the same as doormen who do have the ability to remove a person or group from there work place
pavarotti1980 said:
C70R said:
I notice you decided not to include the bit where I said it was in direct contravention of the club's own rules for fans. Their punishment for breaking those rules is ejection. The fan quite obviously wasn't ejected.
As for your Section 5 "maybe" point, you'd do well to educate yourself.
According to the law "A person is guilty of an offence if he uses threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour.".
That means that Mr Angry in the crowd would absolutely have been in contravention of Section 5, and liable for arrest. Whether an individual officer chooses to arrest him or not is immaterial. He's broken the law.
I am perfectly aware of the law and its contents thanks. However the example you used would be racially aggravated so falling under the s.31 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998. And there you were thinking you were a smart arse telling others to be educated As for your Section 5 "maybe" point, you'd do well to educate yourself.
According to the law "A person is guilty of an offence if he uses threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour.".
That means that Mr Angry in the crowd would absolutely have been in contravention of Section 5, and liable for arrest. Whether an individual officer chooses to arrest him or not is immaterial. He's broken the law.
C70R said:
What a silly, reductive argument.
Away with you.
No unless you can categorically state that all upper tier clubs are equivalent in their response to reports you can't label "football" all the same. So we can assume your generalisation is based on Arsenal and Chelsea stewards being complicit in normalising racist behaviourAway with you.
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 25th May 15:24
We're not even talking about racist abuse in this example.
The example we're referring to was Mr Angry from the City-Villa game, and I don't believe there was any racial abuse used (although I'm no expert lip-reader).
C70R said:
Go back and read properly. Then maybe we can have a decent debate.
We're not even talking about racist abuse in this example.
The example we're referring to was Mr Angry from the City-Villa game, and I don't believe there was any racial abuse used (although I'm no expert lip-reader).
Its hard to keep up with your ramblings so excuse me for mixing up your rants. Well even in your red-faced person example it still wouldn't necessarily fall foul of s.5 either. Also reporting to a steward who then reports it to the police is more than likely going to result in a quiet word and watch your mouth and nothing more. We're not even talking about racist abuse in this example.
The example we're referring to was Mr Angry from the City-Villa game, and I don't believe there was any racial abuse used (although I'm no expert lip-reader).
"Normal person" test would most likely apply so go and figure if your screaming fanny behaviour would constitute normal behaviour. What would have been funny would have been if you ran to steward and the person kicked off and the police decided to lock you up to prevent breach of the peace as without your presence there would not have been any problems
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 25th May 15:58
pavarotti1980 said:
your screaming fanny behaviour
So the middle-aged bloke screaming "Get on with it, you f*****g c**t" at the top of his voice at a young lad doing his job is fine in your books, right?But me asking him politely to watch his language and having a polite conversation with a steward is "screaming fanny behaviour", right?
It's amazing how the football fans in this thread go to great pains to tell us how they all know there's a problem. And yet they all seem to be part of that problem at the same time.
C70R said:
So the middle-aged bloke screaming "Get on with it, you f*****g c**t" at the top of his voice at a young lad doing his job is fine in your books, right?
Didnt say that it was rightC70R said:
But me asking him politely to watch his language and having a polite conversation with a steward is "screaming fanny behaviour", right?
Yeah I reckon you would have gone on like a screaming fanny about the whole thing. That is based on your screaming fanny behaviour on hereC70R said:
It's amazing how the football fans in this thread go to great pains to tell us how they all know there's a problem. And yet they all seem to be part of that problem at the same time.
You can admit there being a problem whilst not being part of that problem. Is it your opinion that every single football fan is sexist and racist and foul mouthed? Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff