What the **** is wrong with people?

What the **** is wrong with people?

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C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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mickk said:
All I know is football stadiums are a much nicer place to be nowadays than they used to be and they improve every season so perhaps we'll get to a time when you have to stay sitting and cheer when the opposition scores.
But Kick It Out tell us that racist abuse is getting worse?

How does that make them nicer?

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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bad company said:
C70R said:
I can't take anything seriously from someone who endorses racism.
Really. Perhaps you could show me where/when I’ve endorsed racism please?
Sorry, sorry. Far too strong a word.

You condone racism.

There, that's better.

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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pavarotti1980 said:
You can admit there being a problem whilst not being part of that problem. Is it your opinion that every single football fan is sexist and racist and foul mouthed?
God, you're not coming across as very bright here.

You keep suggesting somehow that I'm taking extreme positions, when in fact I'm being quite reasonable, and I'm backing everything up with data and experiences where possible.

It's a bit like the other bloke who suggested that unless I've spoken to every steward in the country, I'm not allowed to make observations about their behaviour.

It's the sort of debating style I'd expect from a teenager.

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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What a cracking bunch of lads. Next Prime Minister somewhere in here, I'm sure of it.

https://twitter.com/maxrushden/status/152580020141...

bad company

18,483 posts

265 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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C70R said:
bad company said:
C70R said:
I can't take anything seriously from someone who endorses racism.
Really. Perhaps you could show me where/when I’ve endorsed racism please?
Sorry, sorry. Far too strong a word.

You condone racism.

There, that's better.
I’ve neither endorsed or condoned racism. The last time I witnessed racism at football would have been in the early 1970’s when I was still at school. Am I being criticised for not taking action then?

Flip Martian

19,500 posts

189 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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Christ on a bike, is he still banging on. How many times can you keep saying the same thing?

"Ooh I'm so offended by sweary people at football" a book by C70R. No longer a book because there isn't a binding wide enough to contain the many variations on the same few sentences (interspersed with name calling) he can come out with. So it comes out here instead.

Go and write to the Times, or the Telegraph, or someone who actually cares you're so offended. Go and do something constructive about it instead of calling everyone who disagrees with you names.

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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bad company said:
I’ve neither endorsed or condoned racism.
bad company said:
C70R said:
The example in the picture was racism.

Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.

It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.

I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.
I wouldn’t have reported it either. Most people won’t get involved whether at football or elsewhere.
Dictionary said:
condone
/kənˈdəʊn/
verb
accept (behaviour that is considered morally wrong or offensive).

mickk

28,769 posts

241 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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C70R said:
mickk said:
All I know is football stadiums are a much nicer place to be nowadays than they used to be and they improve every season so perhaps we'll get to a time when you have to stay sitting and cheer when the opposition scores.
But Kick It Out tell us that racist abuse is getting worse?

How does that make them nicer?
I'm giving you my experience of going to a lot of football matches every season home and away, they are better places to be.
If the stats tell you I'm wrong then so be it.


bad company

18,483 posts

265 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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C70R said:
bad company said:
I’ve neither endorsed or condoned racism.
bad company said:
C70R said:
The example in the picture was racism.

Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.

It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.

I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.
I wouldn’t have reported it either. Most people won’t get involved whether at football or elsewhere.
Dictionary said:
condone
/k?n?d??n/
verb
accept (behaviour that is considered morally wrong or offensive).
I said I hadn’t seen such behaviour for many years so nothing to report. I also said that I wouldn’t report it which isn’t the same as accepting it.

Seriously fella you’re going on and on about a problem that hardly exists.

Murph7355

37,648 posts

255 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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C70R said:
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Sadly, that marks you out as a bit of a scumbag with a poor moral compass.
I agree with the general thrust of your points...but the comment above is hardly helpful...it sounds a bit like angry abuse being hurled at someone. Which is ironic.

Leicester Loyal

4,517 posts

121 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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C70R said:
That's a terrible set of excuses.

Can you explain why tens of thousands of 'fans' singing racist and sectarian songs at each other is treated differently to someone shouting racist abuse on the streets?

I can, and it's because the clubs and leagues are petrified of upsetting their source of income.
Football fans are regularly banned from all regulated football matches if caught using racist or homophobic language.

I’ve also witnessed pretty disgusting and idiotic behaviour from fans at cricket, horse racing and boxing events, but never seen any banning orders dished out.

pavarotti1980

4,837 posts

83 months

Wednesday 25th May 2022
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C70R said:
God, you're not coming across as very bright here.

You keep suggesting somehow that I'm taking extreme positions, when in fact I'm being quite reasonable, and I'm backing everything up with data and experiences where possible.

It's a bit like the other bloke who suggested that unless I've spoken to every steward in the country, I'm not allowed to make observations about their behaviour.

It's the sort of debating style I'd expect from a teenager.
You are taking extreme positions. "All of football", "football fans". Not everyone is the same therefore it is a stupid stance to have.

You are offended by shouty angry people at football. So stay away from football. However you do sound the type who may have written in to Mary Whitehouse complaining about something offensive on TV but lacked the common sense to change channels and proceeded to watch an entire programme just to get more offended

The worst behaviour in sport I have experienced has never been anywhere near a football pitch. I have witnessed appealing racism in cricket and shocking behaviour on a rugby pitch. My experiences at football grounds has been no racist chanting or behaviour. Worst chanting I heard in and around me was regarding Adam Johnson and a little ditty about him being a disgusting abhorrant sex offender.

martinbiz

3,047 posts

144 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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Leicester Loyal said:
Football fans are regularly banned from all regulated football matches if caught using racist or homophobic language.

I’ve also witnessed pretty disgusting and idiotic behaviour from fans at cricket, horse racing and boxing events, but never seen any banning orders dished out.
As a Spurs ST holder I also go to quite a lot of cricket, in fact I’m off to the first middx vitalIty blast game later this afternoon. Over the last couple of years I would say most of the bad / unruly behaviour, call it what you want, that I’ve seen, has been at cricket, most if not all of it alcohol related as you are allowed to get absolutely W**kered at cricket and nobody cares, one instance in particular was of a fairly nasty racist nature

joshcowin

6,775 posts

175 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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C70R said:
bad company said:
I’ve neither endorsed or condoned racism.
bad company said:
C70R said:
The example in the picture was racism.

Not one single person in that photo reported the racist behaviour. Not a soul.

It took the player reporting it to his club for any action to be taken.

I'm sure you'll now start telling me about how football grounds are noisy places, and that you're sure they didn't hear it etc.
I wouldn’t have reported it either. Most people won’t get involved whether at football or elsewhere.
Dictionary said:
condone
/k?n?d??n/
verb
accept (behaviour that is considered morally wrong or offensive).
You watched it on TV and did nothing about it, didn't call the police, didn't report to the broadcaster, didn't submit a formal complaint to OFCOM. Nothing

There was action you could take but didn't! Get off your high horse

lrdisco

1,441 posts

86 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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pavarotti1980 said:
lrdisco said:
Sorry but your comment is so football. You proved in that post everything that is wrong in the football supporting community.
Really? In what way? I am interested in how you come to that conclusion
Low level humour. You know it. I know it and it’s very sad.
Please try harder.

Flip Martian

19,500 posts

189 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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lrdisco said:
Low level humour. You know it. I know it and it’s very sad.
Please try harder.
Being patronising just loses any audience you have for your opinion.

Please try harder.

pavarotti1980

4,837 posts

83 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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lrdisco said:
Low level humour. You know it. I know it and it’s very sad.
Please try harder.
Hahaha I bet you are a barrel of laughs. Patronising too. Even lower form of humour

Only football fans come out with low level humour then?

Flip Martian said:
Being patronising just loses any audience you have for your opinion.

Please try harder.
So far the opinion is "oh a joke I don't find funny, how very football of you! This is interrupting my game of polo"

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Thursday 26th May 14:05

Flip Martian

19,500 posts

189 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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pavarotti1980 said:
So far the opinion is "oh a joke I don't find funny, how very football of you! This is interrupting my game of polo"

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Thursday 26th May 14:05
Yup, they successfully derailed the thread with their own prejudices. How very PH of them!

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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joshcowin said:
You watched it on TV and did nothing about it, didn't call the police, didn't report to the broadcaster, didn't submit a formal complaint to OFCOM. Nothing

There was action you could take but didn't! Get off your high horse
I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. I'm not sure if you do either.

I didn't watch the match where a 24yo guy was racially abused by a bunch of middle-aged football fans.

If I was to report every instance of verbal abuse I saw at football matches on TV, I'd spend half my time on the phone.

pavarotti1980

4,837 posts

83 months

Friday 27th May 2022
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C70R said:
I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. I'm not sure if you do either.

I didn't watch the match where a 24yo guy was racially abused by a bunch of middle-aged football fans.

If I was to report every instance of verbal abuse I saw at football matches on TV, I'd spend half my time on the phone.
Please do it. It would also have the knock on effect of you not having the time to post on here as well whilst cleansing your mind of any distress smile