What the **** is wrong with people?
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C70R said:
bad company said:
C70R said:
It's almost like the problem isn't even all of football.
Most of us have been trying to tell you that for months.I will say yet again that reported violence and racism at football is greatly exaggerated by the press.
bad company said:
I will say yet again that reported violence and racism at football is greatly exaggerated by the press.
When a incident of racism happens in football it is huge news. It will be discussed in depth by football fans and people who dislike football will use it to attack football. Look at what is happening in cricket at the moment. The entire sport in the country is under a huge cloud and being called out for being institutionally racist. Cricket fans don't seem to care and just attack the victims. The behaviour and comments from cricket fans is worse than I see from football fans.
Last week there were more reports that racism is rife in English rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/23/rfu-...
Why are people only interested when racism happens in football?
Driver101 said:
When a incident of racism happens in football it is huge news. It will be discussed in depth by football fans and people who dislike football will use it to attack football.
Look at what is happening in cricket at the moment. The entire sport in the country is under a huge cloud and being called out for being institutionally racist. Cricket fans don't seem to care and just attack the victims. The behaviour and comments from cricket fans is worse than I see from football fans.
Last week there were more reports that racism is rife in English rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/23/rfu-...
Why are people only interested when racism happens in football?
Who said that was the case?Look at what is happening in cricket at the moment. The entire sport in the country is under a huge cloud and being called out for being institutionally racist. Cricket fans don't seem to care and just attack the victims. The behaviour and comments from cricket fans is worse than I see from football fans.
Last week there were more reports that racism is rife in English rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/23/rfu-...
Why are people only interested when racism happens in football?
This thread is about football fans. I'm sure if you wanted to discuss issues of racism in other sports among players or institutions, you could start a thread on it.
It's about as relevant to this thread as a weather forecast.
C70R said:
Who said that was the case?
This thread is about football fans. I'm sure if you wanted to discuss issues of racism in other sports among players or institutions, you could start a thread on it.
It's about as relevant to this thread as a weather forecast.
There have been a few in-depth investigations that have reported their findings that cricket is institutionally racist. This thread is about football fans. I'm sure if you wanted to discuss issues of racism in other sports among players or institutions, you could start a thread on it.
It's about as relevant to this thread as a weather forecast.
I don't think there is any need for another thread. Surely we should call out all racism and not pretend it is a problem specific to football? If you're a big fan of other sports, and want to take a stand against racism in general, surely you want to address the problems and not shut down the conversation?
Driver101 said:
C70R said:
Who said that was the case?
This thread is about football fans. I'm sure if you wanted to discuss issues of racism in other sports among players or institutions, you could start a thread on it.
It's about as relevant to this thread as a weather forecast.
There have been a few in-depth investigations that have reported their findings that cricket is institutionally racist. This thread is about football fans. I'm sure if you wanted to discuss issues of racism in other sports among players or institutions, you could start a thread on it.
It's about as relevant to this thread as a weather forecast.
I don't think there is any need for another thread. Surely we should call out all racism and not pretend it is a problem specific to football? If you're a big fan of other sports, and want to take a stand against racism in general, surely you want to address the problems and not shut down the conversation?
Nobody is shutting anything down. This is a thread about football fans and their poor behaviour (not exclusively racism, but that's a large part of it).
I don't think it seems like the logical place to discuss institutional racism within a different sport's governing body.
C70R said:
You're trying too hard for a win here.
Nobody is shutting anything down. This is a thread about football fans and their poor behaviour (not exclusively racism, but that's a large part of it).
I don't think it seems like the logical place to discuss institutional racism within a different sport's governing body.
Nobody is shutting anything down. This is a thread about football fans and their poor behaviour (not exclusively racism, but that's a large part of it).
I don't think it seems like the logical place to discuss institutional racism within a different sport's governing body.
You are often on the football threads to highlight issues, but the threads about racism and bad behaviour in other sports you like you are nowhere to be seen. You are here and showing an interest in bad behaviour and racism. It appears the only part you're actually concerned with is the football element.
Surely you should be more concerned with racism in the sports you like the most?
Racism doesn't only exist within the governing body. That is heavily downplaying the seriousness suggesting that. It's throughout the sport from the governing body, management, fellow players and fans.
We've heard your views about football and never get to hear your views about sports you like. I linked an article above. How do you feel knowing that racism is rife within rugby and players are routinely abused?
Cricket is institutionally racist?
Why do you think that rugby and cricket fans struggle to admit there is deep-rooted problems in their game?
I would genuinely like to hear your views for some balance.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 1st August 12:59
C70R said:
Driver101 said:
When a incident of racism happens in football it is huge news. It will be discussed in depth by football fans and people who dislike football will use it to attack football.
Look at what is happening in cricket at the moment. The entire sport in the country is under a huge cloud and being called out for being institutionally racist. Cricket fans don't seem to care and just attack the victims. The behaviour and comments from cricket fans is worse than I see from football fans.
Last week there were more reports that racism is rife in English rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/23/rfu-...
Why are people only interested when racism happens in football?
Who said that was the case?Look at what is happening in cricket at the moment. The entire sport in the country is under a huge cloud and being called out for being institutionally racist. Cricket fans don't seem to care and just attack the victims. The behaviour and comments from cricket fans is worse than I see from football fans.
Last week there were more reports that racism is rife in English rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/23/rfu-...
Why are people only interested when racism happens in football?
This thread is about football fans. I'm sure if you wanted to discuss issues of racism in other sports among players or institutions, you could start a thread on it.
It's about as relevant to this thread as a weather forecast.
Yet the BBC in particular chose to major on the racism.
Complete mis-representation.
C70R said:
Feel free to start a thread, and I'll contribute if I've got anything interesting to add.
IF you have anything interesting to add? You have lots to say about racism in football, why not for high profile incidents in sports you like? Are you trying to cover it up, happy to turn a blind eye, or is it football and not racism that is your main gripe?
You are already in the general rugby threads. There is also a number of other threads specifically for racism in sport. You have had plenty of opportunity to contribute and don't.
There is no need for new threads and you could easily answer the questions here. You're happy to go way off topic in all other threads. You're always quick to jump on negative football incidents. Why such a vastly different approach for the questions I posed above?
Let us hear your opinions. I really want to understand why you have vastly different approaches.
Ntv said:
Last summer when two black players missed pens for England vs Italy there were some racist insults on social media. Along with millions of other comments on social media. There wasn't racism in the ground, in pubs up and down the land and so on.
Yet the BBC in particular chose to major on the racism.
Complete mis-representation.
I don't have an issue with racists being called out. If they are going to get shamed then maybe they will manage to change their views or keep their fingers away from the keyboard. Yet the BBC in particular chose to major on the racism.
Complete mis-representation.
You should have read the Facebook comments when the news broke about Scottish cricket being institutionally racist last week.
The levels of racism were off the scale. Abhorrent racist comments and victim shaming with cricket fans saying the game wasn't racist. This wasn't trolls with fake Twitter accounts.
The only difference was those comments were not shamed by the press and that is the double standards.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 1st August 17:24
This weekend we saw a wonderful example of how the women's game can bring families together to enjoy football.
Meanwhile, Preston played Wigan in a fairly inconsequential game, and there was mass unrest (talk of fans spitting on and throwing rocks at the opposing fans) requiring the police to put their riot gear on.
It's just sad.
Meanwhile, Preston played Wigan in a fairly inconsequential game, and there was mass unrest (talk of fans spitting on and throwing rocks at the opposing fans) requiring the police to put their riot gear on.
It's just sad.
Driver101 said:
C70R said:
Feel free to start a thread, and I'll contribute if I've got anything interesting to add.
IF you have anything interesting to add? You have lots to say about racism in football, why not for high profile incidents in sports you like? Are you trying to cover it up, happy to turn a blind eye, or is it football and not racism that is your main gripe?
You are already in the general rugby threads. There is also a number of other threads specifically for racism in sport. You have had plenty of opportunity to contribute and don't.
There is no need for new threads and you could easily answer the questions here. You're happy to go way off topic in all other threads. You're always quick to jump on negative football incidents. Why such a vastly different approach for the questions I posed above?
Let us hear your opinions. I really want to understand why you have vastly different approaches.
So you won't need to worry about continuing you whataboutery on this thread, and we can focus on the issue at hand.
C70R said:
Driver101 said:
C70R said:
Feel free to start a thread, and I'll contribute if I've got anything interesting to add.
IF you have anything interesting to add? You have lots to say about racism in football, why not for high profile incidents in sports you like? Are you trying to cover it up, happy to turn a blind eye, or is it football and not racism that is your main gripe?
You are already in the general rugby threads. There is also a number of other threads specifically for racism in sport. You have had plenty of opportunity to contribute and don't.
There is no need for new threads and you could easily answer the questions here. You're happy to go way off topic in all other threads. You're always quick to jump on negative football incidents. Why such a vastly different approach for the questions I posed above?
Let us hear your opinions. I really want to understand why you have vastly different approaches.
So you won't need to worry about continuing you whataboutery on this thread, and we can focus on the issue at hand.
I'm not trying to divert from the fact that football has serious issues. It's something I have spoken about in many threads on here.
I am asking why you're obsessed with racism in football, but stay silent in sports you like? Can you not understand why I'm seeing an issue with that? I'm not trying to skip past or divert away from the issues in football.
Why do you care so much about racism in football, but excuse or ignore it when it happens in rugby?
How is racism going to be tackled in rugby and cricket when fans like yourself just stick your neck in the sand?
Driver101 said:
C70R said:
Driver101 said:
C70R said:
Feel free to start a thread, and I'll contribute if I've got anything interesting to add.
IF you have anything interesting to add? You have lots to say about racism in football, why not for high profile incidents in sports you like? Are you trying to cover it up, happy to turn a blind eye, or is it football and not racism that is your main gripe?
You are already in the general rugby threads. There is also a number of other threads specifically for racism in sport. You have had plenty of opportunity to contribute and don't.
There is no need for new threads and you could easily answer the questions here. You're happy to go way off topic in all other threads. You're always quick to jump on negative football incidents. Why such a vastly different approach for the questions I posed above?
Let us hear your opinions. I really want to understand why you have vastly different approaches.
So you won't need to worry about continuing you whataboutery on this thread, and we can focus on the issue at hand.
I'm not trying to divert from the fact that football has serious issues. It's something I have spoken about in many threads on here.
I am asking why you're obsessed with racism in football, but stay silent in sports you like? Can you not understand why I'm seeing an issue with that? I'm not trying to skip past or divert away from the issues in football.
Why do you care so much about racism in football, but excuse or ignore it when it happens in rugby?
How is racism going to be tackled in rugby and cricket when fans like yourself just stick your neck in the sand?
Why would we be discussing cricket or rugby?
Unless you were just continuing in your whataboutery to try and distract from the issue.
But you wouldn't do that, would you?
C70R said:
This is a thread about football fans. In the football subforum.
Why would we be discussing cricket or rugby?
Unless you were just continuing in your whataboutery to try and distract from the issue.
But you wouldn't do that, would you?
Normally you have zero issue going off topic on any other thread. You usually always strongly fight your corner. Why would we be discussing cricket or rugby?
Unless you were just continuing in your whataboutery to try and distract from the issue.
But you wouldn't do that, would you?
A few posts ago you suggested you would respond if I started a thread. Pointing out threads already exist that you haven't and won't offer your opinions in you're now trying the whataboutery lines to squirm out of answering.
There has to be a reason you have to actively avoid answering. You would undermine your views in here if you offered your views about racism in rugby? You would defend and excuse racism in rugby?
C70R said:
Literally anything to avoid staying on topic, right? The debating tactics of a teenager.
Throughout this thread you have made direct comparisons between the behaviour in football against other sports. You have often asked why it's only football these things happen and have highlighted the superior behaviour of other sports. I am doing EXACTLY what you've previously done and comparing the same sports. Look at the difference in your posts and debating. You have gone from happy to directly compare the behaviour when you could use it to berate football fans, to desperately trying to shut down the same comparisons now.
You are doing everything to avoid the questions. It is yourself that is displaying complete double standards, introducing a new rigid requirement of the thread that you haven't adhered to before yourself, and are desperately shutting down topics you don't want to discuss. It makes a debate impossible.
I've wasted far too much time on this. It is clear that you are not willing to address racism in sports you like. I find that really wrong.
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