Man city vs spurs offside?
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This is the angle that shows two contacts by the ball on Llorente the first is on his forearm near his elbow. the second is on his thigh.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1118615467424227329
https://twitter.com/i/status/1118615467424227329
48k said:
This is the angle that shows two contacts by the ball on Llorente the first is on his forearm near his elbow. the second is on his thigh.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1118615467424227329
Yep. The referee did not have that angle.https://twitter.com/i/status/1118615467424227329
TaylotS2K said:
48k said:
This is the angle that shows two contacts by the ball on Llorente the first is on his forearm near his elbow. the second is on his thigh.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1118615467424227329
Yep. The referee did not have that angle.https://twitter.com/i/status/1118615467424227329
It wouldn't be a pen at the other end.
48k said:
This is the angle that shows two contacts by the ball on Llorente the first is on his forearm near his elbow. the second is on his thigh.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1118615467424227329
Still a goal. https://twitter.com/i/status/1118615467424227329
It was accidental and the player clearly makes an attempt to move his arm away from the ball. Correct decision by ref IMO. I understand the rules will be changed for next year meaning even clearly accidental handballs will result in a no goal if the act leads to a goal. So no goal allowed for MC against Schalke then! (Was it Schalke?)
Puggit said:
As a Watford fan who suffered the most ridiculous offside goal to City recently, and with a Swansea supporting BiL, afraid I laughed at the total justice of that offside goal being chalked off.
Wasn't sure about VAR before - bring it on...
I agree. And I also think it will change the importance of playing at home statistically. WIthout doubt part of that advantage is referees responding to crowd pressure (in my opinion!)...that kind of refereeing bias will presumably happen less. Could actually impact the big clubs more as the perception is that they get the rub of the green than smaller clubs. Wasn't sure about VAR before - bring it on...
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
It's funny for the rest of us though. I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
"so what?" ...well as a Spurs fan I don't want to suffer the injustice of another unwarranted defeat where we deserved to win or at least get something from the game but were once again robbed by some inept decision making...sorry.TwigtheWonderkid said:
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
...worse? The jury is out.t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
Fairer? Undoubtedly.
I don't want emotions deciding the result. That's the emotions of the biggest crowds with home advantage. I want fair play to win out and VAR at least nibbles at that outstanding bug bear.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
Well not worse if the team that wins should have won given the rules of the game?I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
A bit like the non-VAR game that City profited from handsomely in the FA Cup.
LoonyTunes said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
"so what?" ...well as a Spurs fan I don't want to suffer the injustice of another unwarranted defeat where we deserved to win or at least get something from the game but were once again robbed by some inept decision making...sorry.Wrong decisions go for and against you. VAR went for you last night, but against you some other time. You'll be no better off in the long run. With VAR next season, the same top 6 will still be battling for the top 6 places, and the 3 to go down will probably be 2 of the newly promoted teams, and one other.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
I don’t like it,but I’m not sure what you can say is wrong about the correct decisions being reached .I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
If it wasn’t there City would have gone through ,and that would have been an injustice to spurs.
I think it removes something from the game ,especially if you are actually at the game ,but overall if it leads to more correct decisions being made then it is hard to argue against it.
Zoon said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter st. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it.
VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
Well not worse if the team that wins should have won given the rules of the game?I tell you what isn't football......a team thinking they'd scored the winning goal in a CL QF and celebrating for 40 seconds, only to have it disallowed. It's utter s
t. You score a goal, look at the linesman, flag is down, you go mental. That's it. VAR is being sold to us on a lie, the lie being the game will be better when all the big decisions are right. It won't be better, it'll be worse.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
LoonyTunes said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
"so what?" ...well as a Spurs fan I don't want to suffer the injustice of another unwarranted defeat where we deserved to win or at least get something from the game but were once again robbed by some inept decision making...sorry.Wrong decisions go for and against you. VAR went for you last night, but against you some other time. You'll be no better off in the long run. With VAR next season, the same top 6 will still be battling for the top 6 places, and the 3 to go down will probably be 2 of the newly promoted teams, and one other.
I also don't think it will equal itself out, I feel it will address the current unbalanced equilibrium a little.
LoonyTunes said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
LoonyTunes said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If we assume, for sake of argument, VAR got both decisions right, I still think it's crap. The Llorente goal he would have given anyway, as he didn't see anything amiss with it. The offside goal would have stood without VAR, but so what. That's football, wrong calls happen, deal with it.
"so what?" ...well as a Spurs fan I don't want to suffer the injustice of another unwarranted defeat where we deserved to win or at least get something from the game but were once again robbed by some inept decision making...sorry.Wrong decisions go for and against you. VAR went for you last night, but against you some other time. You'll be no better off in the long run. With VAR next season, the same top 6 will still be battling for the top 6 places, and the 3 to go down will probably be 2 of the newly promoted teams, and one other.
I also don't think it will equal itself out, I feel it will address the current unbalanced equilibrium a little.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well firstly, it's the laws of the game. And secondly, you're talking rot. Some of my happiest memories at football have been when awful decisions have gone my way, and I've been furious when they've gone against my team. And at football, I want to be ecstatic or livid. I don't want to come away thinking "oh well, that was fair." I've got chess for that.
I'm pretty sure the Man City fans would have been livid last night and the Spurs fans ecstatic all whilst being the correct decision.Same with Liverpool, everyone thought Mane was offside (including Mane), they were ecstatic when they found out he wasn't.
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