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[tamore]

just read that the city legal team are possibly going to challenge the validity of FFP as a whole at CAS, and if successful would be as seismic as the bosman ruling.

i think this was inevitable, as the hacked emails are seemingly pretty clear. i'm sure newcastle's suitors are watching with interest.

[jammy-git]

stuartmmcfc said:

jammy-git said:

What's wrong with organic growth?

If a club is run properly there is no reason why any club in any of the top leagues cannot move themselves into the top three/four with 2-3 years of steady growth and then start challenging for titles. Just see Spurs, Dortmund, Atletico, Leicester, etc, etc.

I already pointed out the flaw to this argument yesterday - I guess you didn’t see it.
Within 2-3 years of Leicester winning the league their team had been dismantled by the likes of City, United and Chelsea. Despite being owned by a billionaire who is spending on infrastructure, they can’t compete with the big boys as far as wages etc are concerned. At any point this can and will happen.its not fair imo
The big boys don’t get their players poached as other clubs can’t afford the wages. They can keep a settled team and adjust where necessary.

The same Leicester who are currently 1 point behind Man City and several points ahead of Chelsea, Spurs, Utd, Arsenal, etc? They seem to be coping OK with having players poached.

[DeltonaS]

tamore said:

just read that the city legal team are possibly going to challenge the validity of FFP as a whole at CAS, and if successful would be as seismic as the bosman ruling.

i think this was inevitable, as the hacked emails are seemingly pretty clear. i'm sure newcastle's suitors are watching with interest.

Wrong, FFP is hardly policed, so it's far from as seismic as the Bosman ruling, not even close.

The reason why City is under scrutinity is thanks to leaked information, UEFA's own investigations never revealed anything.

But it's obvious that these slave traders, who make all the rules at home and do not take no for an asnwer, couldn't care less about some infidels trying to mess with their toy.

[tamore]

DeltonaS said:

tamore said:

just read that the city legal team are possibly going to challenge the validity of FFP as a whole at CAS, and if successful would be as seismic as the bosman ruling.

i think this was inevitable, as the hacked emails are seemingly pretty clear. i'm sure newcastle's suitors are watching with interest.

Wrong, FFP is hardly policed, so it's far from as seismic as the Bosman ruling, not even close.

The reason why City is under scrutinity is thanks to leaked information, UEFA's own investigations never revealed anything.

But it's obvious that these slave traders, who make all the rules at home and do not take no for an asnwer, couldn't care less about some infidels trying to mess with their toy.

not FFP per se, but UEFA's authority, and possibly integrity.

[Wombat3]

tamore said:

DeltonaS said:

tamore said:

just read that the city legal team are possibly going to challenge the validity of FFP as a whole at CAS, and if successful would be as seismic as the bosman ruling.

i think this was inevitable, as the hacked emails are seemingly pretty clear. i'm sure newcastle's suitors are watching with interest.

Wrong, FFP is hardly policed, so it's far from as seismic as the Bosman ruling, not even close.

The reason why City is under scrutinity is thanks to leaked information, UEFA's own investigations never revealed anything.

But it's obvious that these slave traders, who make all the rules at home and do not take no for an asnwer, couldn't care less about some infidels trying to mess with their toy.

not FFP per se, but UEFA's authority, and possibly integrity.

Of course City could have solved the whole thing by just getting someone else apart from Etihad or anyone else associated with ADUG to sponsor them. If they are such a great draw then surely someone else would have produce the same funding (or close to it), wouldn't they ?

[tamore]

Wombat3 said:

Of course City could have solved the whole thing by just getting someone else apart from Etihad or anyone else associated with ADUG to sponsor them. If they are such a great draw then surely someone else would have produce the same funding (or close to it), wouldn't they ?

they simply weren't back then, nobody is claiming that they were. however, look at the puma deal now, and the sale of a chunk of the club to china and america. CFG valued as the most valuable sports organisation on the planet.

it took investment to get the club to being commercially attractive. you know, like your man who pumped money into your club on the back of selling dodgy meat to schools. good old louis.

[Leicester Loyal]

m3sye said:

Hang on a minute, my team has been dismantled by clubs who were more of a pull than us, that's football...
Unless you pay the big money ie like you Do 350k a week for Kdb any prem club is at risk...

But we'll never be able to afford to pay a player 350k, because our fanbase isn't big enough and nor is our global recognition. So other bigger teams will always have the advantage over us in terms of what they can pay players (unless we somehow manage to get top 4 for about 10 seasons in a row).

jammy-git said:

The same Leicester who are currently 1 point behind Man City and several points ahead of Chelsea, Spurs, Utd, Arsenal, etc? They seem to be coping OK with having players poached.

All four of those clubs are playing pretty poorly at the moment, whereas we went on a 10 game run where we smashed everyone. We'll see if we're consistantly above those clubs over the next few years, as they can always spend more money than us due to revenue (the only exception being if we keep getting CL and they don't)

[jammy-git]

I believe I'm right in saying that the points Leicester currently have would have them in the top four most seasons.

[franki68]

jammy-git said:

I believe I'm right in saying that the points Leicester currently have would have them in the top four most seasons.

seriously these sorts of facts are irrelevant ,they have no meaning unless you can do some form of time travel,it really isn't hard to grasp ,they aren't playing against the same teams,on the same pitches and in many cases the same rules.
It's pundit and newspaper nonsense built around selling a product.

[selym]

franki68 said:

jammy-git said:

I believe I'm right in saying that the points Leicester currently have would have them in the top four most seasons.

seriously these sorts of facts are irrelevant ,they have no meaning unless you can do some form of time travel,it really isn't hard to grasp ,they aren't playing against the same teams,on the same pitches and in many cases the same rules.
It's pundit and newspaper nonsense built around selling a product.

So a record number of points is neither here nor there too?

[m3sye]

Leicester Loyal said:

m3sye said:

Hang on a minute, my team has been dismantled by clubs who were more of a pull than us, that's football...
Unless you pay the big money ie like you Do 350k a week for Kdb any prem club is at risk...

But we'll never be able to afford to pay a player 350k, because our fanbase isn't big enough and nor is our global recognition. So other bigger teams will always have the advantage over us in terms of what they can pay players (unless we somehow manage to get top 4 for about 10 seasons in a row).

jammy-git said:

The same Leicester who are currently 1 point behind Man City and several points ahead of Chelsea, Spurs, Utd, Arsenal, etc? They seem to be coping OK with having players poached.

All four of those clubs are playing pretty poorly at the moment, whereas we went on a 10 game run where we smashed everyone. We'll see if we're consistantly above those clubs over the next few years, as they can always spend more money than us due to revenue (the only exception being if we keep getting CL and they don't)

.

Would you say Liverpool is one of the biggest clubs? Our max weekly wage is 200k, I imagine yours is not far behind, we are at risk of being poached of players as we won't pay the billionaires wages of 350k a week

[tamore]

anyhoo.... soriano has publicly stated that all spending has been transparent, subjected to checks/audits and they still believe there's been no breach of FFP.

someone is going to end up looking daft with all this. UEFA or City hierarchy.

[franki68]

selym said:

So a record number of points is neither here nor there too?

That actually demonstrates is how far ahead of other teams one team is that season

Think about it like this ,when scientifically testing 2 products to compare them you test them in identical ways and conditions otherwise any comparison is invalid ,you cannot do that with football .

[selym]

franki68 said:

selym said:

So a record number of points is neither here nor there too?

That actually demonstrates is how far ahead of other teams one team is that season

Think about it like this ,when scientifically testing 2 products to compare them you test them in identical ways and conditions otherwise any comparison is invalid ,you cannot do that with football .

I tend to agree....season on season stats are a good pointer to achieving something but they are largely pointless because they don't take into account how much tougher it could be in other years.

The treble for example...

[stuartmmcfc]

Leicester Loyal said:

jammy-git said:

The same Leicester who are currently 1 point behind Man City and several points ahead of Chelsea, Spurs, Utd, Arsenal, etc? They seem to be coping OK with having players poached.

All four of those clubs are playing pretty poorly at the moment, whereas we went on a 10 game run where we smashed everyone. We'll see if we're consistantly above those clubs over the next few years, as they can always spend more money than us due to revenue (the only exception being if we keep getting CL and they don't)

As it’s currently 2 points and by tea time Saturday it COULD be 8 points and Leicester were comprehensively outplayed by City and Liverpool over the Christmas period I think that unfortunately Leicester aren’t in the same “league” as those 2 teams (and we’ve been poor this season) and won’t be until they’re allowed to compete on a level playing field.

(Think of the stick I’ll get next week locally if we don’t beat Leicester at the weekend )

[franki68]

selym said:

I tend to agree....season on season stats are a good pointer to achieving something but they are largely pointless because they don't take into account how much tougher it could be in other years.

The treble for example...

not exactly the same though as records get taken off you,trophies don't (unless you cheat *cough*).

But yes it's all subjective in reality.

[selym]

franki68 said:

selym said:

I tend to agree....season on season stats are a good pointer to achieving something but they are largely pointless because they don't take into account how much tougher it could be in other years.

The treble for example...

not exactly the same though as records get taken off you,trophies don't (unless you cheat *cough*).

But yes it's all subjective in reality.

Brutal

[stuartmmcfc]

m3sye said:

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Would you say Liverpool is one of the biggest clubs? Our max weekly wage is 200k, I imagine yours is not far behind, we are at risk of being poached of players as we won't pay the billionaires wages of 350k a week

Tbf, I’ve just had a look at City’s and Liverpool’s wages and apart from KDB ( 350k pw and worth every penny ) and Sterling (300k pw - not so sure) they look fairly similar. Aguero, who is arguably, the best foreign striker the PL has ever seen is “only” on 220 k pw.
Meanwhile, the majority of Leicester players are on well under 100k pw (apart from Vardy and Kasper)
Obviously I’ve got better things to do than to work out means and averages etc which may prove me wrong!)

Edited by stuartmmcfc on Wednesday 19th February 15:52

[Cheib]

This week’s Ornstein and Chapman Podcast is on FFP....and a very interesting listen. Also talks about the games/lengths PSG went to which I wasn’t aware.

`City haven’t been entirely sensible in their conduct. UEFA have got a copy of an e-mail that City’s Head of Legal sent after the original Head of UEFA’s FFP Dept died “One down six to do”....he was an ex Belgian Prime Minister. Also because CAS isn’t a court CIty’s complaint about the leaked e-mail not being admissable is groundless....they’re allowed as evidence at CAS.