The Official Manchester City (World Club Champions)Thread
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Not a surprise to see you in the Champions league and very disappointed at the energy wasted which the authorities could have spent productively doing something good for the game. Clearly a £10M fine says you did something wrong but it's boring seeing the game try and keep it's favourites at the top through FFP and its about time UEFA had a re-jig
Leicester Loyal said:
Champions League next season for you boys then.
I'll be honest I don't agree with FFP, I think it's a farce to keep the big clubs at the top. However, football is definitely corrupt, right from the very top downwards, it's become so obvious this season.
Saying that, I do hope you win the CL this year, always liked you as the noisy neighbours and you gave hope to the smaller less successful clubs that one day a sugardaddy might take them over and take them to the very top.
The decision was never going to go any other way as there is too much at stake and it would open a huge can of worms. Had City been done for this, it would potentially be the start of a breakaway European/World league. I'm a City fan, but I don't doubt they have breached/bent the rules somewhere along the line, the problem is, how many other clubs have done too and it's an issue the authorities can't clamp down on because of the repercussions. I'll be honest I don't agree with FFP, I think it's a farce to keep the big clubs at the top. However, football is definitely corrupt, right from the very top downwards, it's become so obvious this season.
Saying that, I do hope you win the CL this year, always liked you as the noisy neighbours and you gave hope to the smaller less successful clubs that one day a sugardaddy might take them over and take them to the very top.
Leicester Loyal said:
Champions League next season for you boys then.
I'll be honest I don't agree with FFP, I think it's a farce to keep the big clubs at the top. However, football is definitely corrupt, right from the very top downwards, it's become so obvious this season.
Saying that, I do hope you win the CL this year, always liked you as the noisy neighbours and you gave hope to the smaller less successful clubs that one day a sugardaddy might take them over and take them to the very top.
I agree.I'll be honest I don't agree with FFP, I think it's a farce to keep the big clubs at the top. However, football is definitely corrupt, right from the very top downwards, it's become so obvious this season.
Saying that, I do hope you win the CL this year, always liked you as the noisy neighbours and you gave hope to the smaller less successful clubs that one day a sugardaddy might take them over and take them to the very top.
If I was a billionaire Watford / Burnley / Spurs / Similar Club / Etc owner then I would want the freedom to invest whatever I saw fit to bring the club success for the first time in their history. As a supporter I would want the same as long as accounts were audited and funds were in place to cover any debts / commitments so as not to bankrupt the club if the owner left.
Allowing bigger clubs to spend more allows the big clubs to remain successful. Success is not guaranteed based upon expenditure (just look at Liverpool and Leicester a few years ago) however it's a major factor.
In my opinion clubs should be allowed to spend whatever they like (as long as they can cover their debts and commitments). If this is not feasible then all European clubs should have the same expenditure caps.
Besides, it's pointless having a rule in place that can be breached without any significant penalty. I don't understand why more clubs don't follow Man City's example, I am sure their supporters would be happy to breach FFP by spending billions and win silverware if they only receive a gentle slap on the wrist. Nobody will remember breaching the rules in a few years from now however they will all remember the trophies they won.
CellarDoor said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Champions League next season for you boys then.
I'll be honest I don't agree with FFP, I think it's a farce to keep the big clubs at the top. However, football is definitely corrupt, right from the very top downwards, it's become so obvious this season.
Saying that, I do hope you win the CL this year, always liked you as the noisy neighbours and you gave hope to the smaller less successful clubs that one day a sugardaddy might take them over and take them to the very top.
I agree.I'll be honest I don't agree with FFP, I think it's a farce to keep the big clubs at the top. However, football is definitely corrupt, right from the very top downwards, it's become so obvious this season.
Saying that, I do hope you win the CL this year, always liked you as the noisy neighbours and you gave hope to the smaller less successful clubs that one day a sugardaddy might take them over and take them to the very top.
If I was a billionaire Watford / Burnley / Spurs / Similar Club / Etc owner then I would want the freedom to invest whatever I saw fit to bring the club success for the first time in their history. As a supporter I would want the same as long as accounts were audited and funds were in place to cover any debts / commitments so as not to bankrupt the club if the owner left.
Allowing bigger clubs to spend more allows the big clubs to remain successful. Success is not guaranteed based upon expenditure (just look at Liverpool and Leicester a few years ago) however it's a major factor.
In my opinion clubs should be allowed to spend whatever they like (as long as they can cover their debts and commitments). If this is not feasible then all European clubs should have the same expenditure caps.
Besides, it's pointless having a rule in place that can be breached without any significant penalty. I don't understand why more clubs don't follow Man City's example, I am sure their supporters would be happy to breach FFP by spending billions and win silverware if they only receive a gentle slap on the wrist. Nobody will remember breaching the rules in a few years from now however they will all remember the trophies they won.
Fast Bug said:
CellarDoor said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Champions League next season for you boys then.
I'll be honest I don't agree with FFP, I think it's a farce to keep the big clubs at the top. However, football is definitely corrupt, right from the very top downwards, it's become so obvious this season.
Saying that, I do hope you win the CL this year, always liked you as the noisy neighbours and you gave hope to the smaller less successful clubs that one day a sugardaddy might take them over and take them to the very top.
I agree.I'll be honest I don't agree with FFP, I think it's a farce to keep the big clubs at the top. However, football is definitely corrupt, right from the very top downwards, it's become so obvious this season.
Saying that, I do hope you win the CL this year, always liked you as the noisy neighbours and you gave hope to the smaller less successful clubs that one day a sugardaddy might take them over and take them to the very top.
If I was a billionaire Watford / Burnley / Spurs / Similar Club / Etc owner then I would want the freedom to invest whatever I saw fit to bring the club success for the first time in their history. As a supporter I would want the same as long as accounts were audited and funds were in place to cover any debts / commitments so as not to bankrupt the club if the owner left.
Allowing bigger clubs to spend more allows the big clubs to remain successful. Success is not guaranteed based upon expenditure (just look at Liverpool and Leicester a few years ago) however it's a major factor.
In my opinion clubs should be allowed to spend whatever they like (as long as they can cover their debts and commitments). If this is not feasible then all European clubs should have the same expenditure caps.
Besides, it's pointless having a rule in place that can be breached without any significant penalty. I don't understand why more clubs don't follow Man City's example, I am sure their supporters would be happy to breach FFP by spending billions and win silverware if they only receive a gentle slap on the wrist. Nobody will remember breaching the rules in a few years from now however they will all remember the trophies they won.
If not, just overspend and pay the 10m fine
DeltonaS said:
Nothing to see here.
Plastic fans supporting a plastic football club from a plastic leaque asking for more plastic.
He’s upset because united have to try and qualify for the CL on their own merit rather than scraping in through the 5th place back door. I bet ORD is gnashing his teeth in anger as well Plastic fans supporting a plastic football club from a plastic leaque asking for more plastic.
Fast Bug said:
I'll echo the above. FFP is a joke in all honesty, if you're a billionaire and a Havant & Waterlooville town supporter and want to take them to the Champions League, more power to you. FFP has stopped clubs trying to break up the party of the big boys for too long
'#BillionariesLivesMatterWill there be a march?
Wacky Racer said:
Give it a rest ffs!...boring now. 
United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Woves, PSG, Juventus, Newcastle etc all owned by billionaires.
Some of those clubs listed who have billionaire owners though work within the rules set... some dont, having a billionaire owner doesn't automatically mean you cheatUnited, Liverpool, Arsenal, Woves, PSG, Juventus, Newcastle etc all owned by billionaires.
Wacky Racer said:
Give it a rest ffs!...boring now.
United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Woves, PSG, Juventus, Newcastle etc all owned by billionaires.
Owned by, but not necessarily funded by. Newcastle, United, Arsenal and Liverpool being the most obvious cases.United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Woves, PSG, Juventus, Newcastle etc all owned by billionaires.
Certainly not state funded either!
jammy-git said:
Wacky Racer said:
Give it a rest ffs!...boring now.
United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Woves, PSG, Juventus, Newcastle etc all owned by billionaires.
Owned by, but not necessarily funded by. Newcastle, United, Arsenal and Liverpool being the most obvious cases.United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Woves, PSG, Juventus, Newcastle etc all owned by billionaires.
Certainly not state funded either!
The thing that seem to go over City (and similar) supporters heads is that nobody else then gives a damn about or has any respect for anything you achieve; and then these antics actually disrupt and devalue the competitions that our own teams are trying to compete in. No wonder it pisses people off.
Fans generally (albeit maybe grudgingly!) respect what Liverpool have done both this season and with 6 ECL pots, what United have done with 20 titles, what Leicester did etc.
City? nobody gives a toss about it - its just a rich man's play thing.
As to FFP being pointless, its not & it has nothing to do with maintaining a glass ceiling either IMO. In fact if you allow runaway spending you will create even more of an elite group than there is perceived to be already because in fact the number of petro-dollar clubs is not actually that large. Its out of the same playbook as F1 budget caps & testing limitations etc (without which F1 would be in dire trouble).
Spending large is just a short cut alternative to running a decent academy and building a good business. City supporters often wobble on about their marvellous academy. How many City academy products are actually making it into the 1st team? Not so many it seems.
Secondary issue here is that this ruling was from the CAS - who rule on all sports, not just soccer. They have given no justification for altering UEFA's interpretation of its own rules, just arbitrarily over ruled them. Effectively the ruling says "You cheated but we've decided to let you off".
Huge can of worms for the governance of all of sport IMO. Beyond stupid.
Reading the CAS ruling and UEFAs subsequent statement it seems the CAS ruling is based on the fact that the 5 year time limit on investigating and handing out punishment had passed. Not that there wasn't evidence of breaking the rules.
The same thing happened with PSG. It's almost as if UEFA are deliberately taking too long to deal with these matters and allowing these state clubs to get away with it...
The same thing happened with PSG. It's almost as if UEFA are deliberately taking too long to deal with these matters and allowing these state clubs to get away with it...
Wombat3 said:
Indeed, state funded football clubs & sports teams in general - somewhat pointless really - and devalues sport in general.
The thing that seem to go over City (and similar) supporters heads is that nobody else then gives a damn about or has any respect for anything you achieve; and then these antics actually disrupt and devalue the competitions that our own teams are trying to compete in. No wonder it pisses people off.
Fans generally (albeit maybe grudgingly!) respect what Liverpool have done both this season and with 6 ECL pots, what United have done with 20 titles, what Leicester did etc.
City? nobody gives a toss about it - its just a rich man's play thing.
In what way is FFP fair though, bigger clubs will just have bigger budgets for the rest of time. Leicester will never be a bigger club than United, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea, so they'll always be able to spend more money than us. Even if we get CL and they get EL, they'll still have bigger transfer budgets. Bigger teams hide behide this 'protecting smaller clubs' statement (I've seen this used a lot this morning on social media), yet Bury and Wigan didn't end up doing very well did they? As long as you've got owners that can fund the spending, I see no issue with it.The thing that seem to go over City (and similar) supporters heads is that nobody else then gives a damn about or has any respect for anything you achieve; and then these antics actually disrupt and devalue the competitions that our own teams are trying to compete in. No wonder it pisses people off.
Fans generally (albeit maybe grudgingly!) respect what Liverpool have done both this season and with 6 ECL pots, what United have done with 20 titles, what Leicester did etc.
City? nobody gives a toss about it - its just a rich man's play thing.
Man City winning things doesn't piss me off, their owners want to invest and they've had to buy the right players and get the right manager to make it work. What they're doing now is no different to the early 00s when Fergie was spending 30m on Rio Ferdinand or Juan Sebastian Veron.
Arguably us and Wolves should be most upset by this decision this morning, but we aren't, it seems to be fans of the other big top 6 clubs who are so against it.
If we want to make it fair then lets put a salary cap on all teams? We'll see how many bigger teams vote in favour of that...
Leicester Loyal said:
If we want to make it fair then lets put a salary cap on all teams? We'll see how many bigger teams vote in favour of that...
Why would that make a difference if all clubs have it... youre not suddenly going to get Player A wanting to go to Burnely ahead of say Chelsea just because they pay the same...My own clubs shows what you can do with the right team working to FFP rules.
franki68 said:
stuartmmcfc said:
He’s upset because united have to try and qualify for the CL on their own merit rather than scraping in through the 5th place back door. I bet ORD is gnashing his teeth in anger as well
doubtful as deltona is anything but a red.We don't like him either.
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