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mike74 said:
And VAR choosing to completely ignore Rodri getting wrestled to the ground in the penalty area in the first half?
Did VAR get that decision spot on as well?
There can only be so many coincidences before you have to admit there's something more to it.
Yeah it seemed an odd one not to give it, but it appears that it is perfectly acceptable in the rules. Like the pen in the super cup on Wednesday.Did VAR get that decision spot on as well?
There can only be so many coincidences before you have to admit there's something more to it.
The handball (and offsides) are being treated as definitive with no interpretation, a very simple binary decision. In that sense we will have (in theory) consistency in decisions - they will all be given.
However, these ones where the ref has seen it and not given it (I am not sure in this instance if Oliver actually saw it, from the first view I saw that had him in he was looking more towards the middle and back post) then it comes down to whether he has made a clear and obvious error.
The issue with that is it is down to interpretation. For years we have seen some refs give stuff like that, and others not and you can normally argue both sides (unless its your team when you likely only see it one way). However the ref doesnt share his interpretation with the other var ref as it happens.
It would be interesting to see what is communicated as it was clear there was some communication on the Rodri thing. If it has gone something like
VAR - 'Did you see the incident with Rodri'
Ref - 'Yeah six of one half a dozen the other and he went down like a sack of spuds'
That is not a clear and obvious error and it takes a bold Var ref to say 'Na you tit, you need to see it again'
On the interpretation side of things, we wont get consistency as the law is somewhat interpretative and the refs make decisions that are too varied.
euphoricmess said:
It should have been about getting rid of the clangers, as it is meant to do in cricket - though even that is used tactically at times.
I think it would help to follow cricket where each team is allowed 2 reviews per game and 15 seconds to lodge a review. At least we wouldn't waste 2 minutes celebrating a non goal if we knew within 15 seconds a goal was under review. Wacky Racer said:
Bluemoon in meltdown. VAR is going to kill football, and I would have said the same if it would have been a Tottenham goal ruled out.
Wolves had a similar one last week. We are going to see a lot of this over the season and it stinks. In our game VAR checked the handball in the box because we scored but missed the blatant handball in the buildup to a Leicester attack that resulted in a corner which could have lead to a goal. It makes no sense.
It's been a mixed week for VAR.
Jesus' disallowed goal, fair enough as they're only applying the (silly) letter of the law. Seems silly to be punished up one end for accidental handball but not the other.
However, that Lamela challenge was definitely a penalty. Unbelievable that wasn't given. Like G Nev said, he thinks the VAR team didn't want to belittle the refs decision. Then the Adrien incident, clearly off his line for the Abraham Penalty. Letter of the law states the keeper should have at least one foot on or behind the goal line.
Jesus' disallowed goal, fair enough as they're only applying the (silly) letter of the law. Seems silly to be punished up one end for accidental handball but not the other.
However, that Lamela challenge was definitely a penalty. Unbelievable that wasn't given. Like G Nev said, he thinks the VAR team didn't want to belittle the refs decision. Then the Adrien incident, clearly off his line for the Abraham Penalty. Letter of the law states the keeper should have at least one foot on or behind the goal line.
Pep has got himself in a bit of a pickle with his complaints hasn't he.
Last season it was the ball that brushed llorente and then went off his hip. He said they had to clamp down and call those as handballs.
At the weekend they've enforced the rule change that he called for and he's not happy about that.
Last season it was the ball that brushed llorente and then went off his hip. He said they had to clamp down and call those as handballs.
At the weekend they've enforced the rule change that he called for and he's not happy about that.
London424 said:
Pep has got himself in a bit of a pickle with his complaints hasn't he.
Last season it was the ball that brushed llorente and then went off his hip. He said they had to clamp down and call those as handballs.
At the weekend they've enforced the rule change that he called for and he's not happy about that.
he is an egotist. He is a football manager. Last season it was the ball that brushed llorente and then went off his hip. He said they had to clamp down and call those as handballs.
At the weekend they've enforced the rule change that he called for and he's not happy about that.
He is not arsed about anything that works for him, ffp breaches, being paid by dodgy sources or the horrific human rights of the owners. No daffodil for that.
Yet put him managing another team and these issues would suddenly matter.
That's no different to any manager. It's no different to the majority of fans.
mike74 said:
euphoricmess said:
Var got the decision spot on. Its the rule that is absolutely ludicrous. As a LFC fan I have to laugh, same end, same opposition and same outcome as the CL game. It certainly adds entertainment, but it is so ridiculous.
I dont think any of the 22 players, ref or his assistants who thought it wasnt a goal.
And VAR choosing to completely ignore Rodri getting wrestled to the ground in the penalty area in the first half?I dont think any of the 22 players, ref or his assistants who thought it wasnt a goal.
Did VAR get that decision spot on as well?
There can only be so many coincidences before you have to admit there's something more to it.
That said, we should have finished the game off before they equalised with the chances we had. We know, as with last season, that to finish above Liverpool and the points gifted to them, we need to be almost perfect. Hopefully, this reminder will see some more ruthless finishing.
85Carrera said:
Quite. Neither of those decisions would have gone against media darlings Liverpool.
That said, we should have finished the game off before they equalised with the chances we had. We know, as with last season, that to finish above Liverpool and the points gifted to them, we need to be almost perfect. Hopefully, this reminder will see some more ruthless finishing.
I'm not going to change your sheets again, Mr Hastings.That said, we should have finished the game off before they equalised with the chances we had. We know, as with last season, that to finish above Liverpool and the points gifted to them, we need to be almost perfect. Hopefully, this reminder will see some more ruthless finishing.
85Carrera said:
Quite. Neither of those decisions would have gone against media darlings Liverpool.
That said, we should have finished the game off before they equalised with the chances we had. We know, as with last season, that to finish above Liverpool and the points gifted to them, we need to be almost perfect. Hopefully, this reminder will see some more ruthless finishing.
nice to see the change of narrative. Last year it was Liverpool would not be in the top four with Var, now they may win the league because of itThat said, we should have finished the game off before they equalised with the chances we had. We know, as with last season, that to finish above Liverpool and the points gifted to them, we need to be almost perfect. Hopefully, this reminder will see some more ruthless finishing.
I've no doubt certain LFC fans will have petitions and the like but every team that has a big following had a section of bellends. It closely follows society.
The problem at the weekend wasn't VAR. It was the rules. I can't see the rule being changed and I reckon we will see it quite often.
On the media darlings thing it's funny. Just like you see Tories claiming the BBC is bias while labour fans do the same, you see different clubs claim their rivals are media darlings.
I particularly loved how much Gary Neville was saying city were this amazing side who don't make an error all game (even after conceding two because it fitted into his narrative of what he then wanted to say. He had to climb down off his city love in after var.
For what it's worth though, I still think city win the league mid April this season. The only hope others have is that city has more of a challenge in the cups this season and concentrates more on the CL
The problem at the weekend wasn't VAR. It was the rules. I can't see the rule being changed and I reckon we will see it quite often.
On the media darlings thing it's funny. Just like you see Tories claiming the BBC is bias while labour fans do the same, you see different clubs claim their rivals are media darlings.
I particularly loved how much Gary Neville was saying city were this amazing side who don't make an error all game (even after conceding two because it fitted into his narrative of what he then wanted to say. He had to climb down off his city love in after var.
For what it's worth though, I still think city win the league mid April this season. The only hope others have is that city has more of a challenge in the cups this season and concentrates more on the CL
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