The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 9)

[GTO-3R]

Martial will be off in summer. Whether we live to regret it i'm not sure as his potential is crazy but he's not an Ole type player who grafts for the badge week in week out. He's too inconsistent.

[GTO-3R]

I'm not all doom and gloom. I've said a few times on here that were a 2 or 3 signings off being a very good side again. We desperately need a 10 that can pick a killer pass out (which was proven again yesterday) and the ability to dictate the game from the front. I still live in hope that person is Pogba but I can't see it.

[57Ford]

Maybe a swap deal - Eriksson plus cash for Pogba to go to Spurs. Can't think of any reason why not...

[franki68]

A centre forward is the main priority ,it’s no good getting a creative player when your centre forward gets a nose bleed every time he gets near the penalty area.

[Pommy]

GTO-3R said:

I'm not all doom and gloom. I've said a few times on here that were a 2 or 3 signings off being a very good side again. We desperately need a 10 that can pick a killer pass out (which was proven again yesterday) and the ability to dictate the game from the front. I still live in hope that person is Pogba but I can't see it.

Surely the issue is manager/coach. Why isnit continually thought new signings is the answer.

How many teams who were doing poorly fixed it with new signings? Its pretty much always a coaching issue.

Look at Spurs. Still have issues but now winning with same team that couldnt win for anything.

Liverpool - you know how many players were alright (but not world class) and on a free when they came in and now are smashing it due to world class coaching.

Your issues reside with your coaching more than your players.

[GTO-3R]

franki68 said:

A centre forward is the main priority ,it’s no good getting a creative player when your centre forward gets a nose bleed every time he gets near the penalty area.

Haland in Jan & Martial to go in summer. Maybe

[GTO-3R]

Pommy said:

Surely the issue is manager/coach. Why isnit continually thought new signings is the answer.

How many teams who were doing poorly fixed it with new signings? Its pretty much always a coaching issue.

Look at Spurs. Still have issues but now winning with same team that couldnt win for anything.

Liverpool - you know how many players were alright (but not world class) and on a free when they came in and now are smashing it due to world class coaching.

Your issues reside with your coaching more than your players.

Partially down to the Manager / Coach but we need players who can reach the level we want to get to and currently we don't have those players.The three we signed last summer have made a big difference over the players they replaced so with the same this Jan/Summer then next season we will be in a much better place.

[Alpinestars]

This is spot on for me.

Number 10, and WB is a great stopper but terrible at coming forward. So much stops down the right when he gets possession, as he often is too slow (a la Tony), it passes if backwards to Linda. His crossing is also very poor. Sort this, and sort a class number 10, and those draws would turn into wins.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10558814/m...

[Gone a bit AMG]

Pommy said:

GTO-3R said:

I'm not all doom and gloom. I've said a few times on here that were a 2 or 3 signings off being a very good side again. We desperately need a 10 that can pick a killer pass out (which was proven again yesterday) and the ability to dictate the game from the front. I still live in hope that person is Pogba but I can't see it.

Surely the issue is manager/coach. Why isnit continually thought new signings is the answer.

How many teams who were doing poorly fixed it with new signings? Its pretty much always a coaching issue.

Look at Spurs. Still have issues but now winning with same team that couldnt win for anything.

Liverpool - you know how many players were alright (but not world class) and on a free when they came in and now are smashing it due to world class coaching.

Your issues reside with your coaching more than your players.

We’ve had 4 managers now since Fergie left 6 years ago, all with different approaches and differing taste in players which has led to a very disjointed squad that Ole is being given time to refresh. He’s been pretty ruthless with the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez as they were rotten influences and hasn’t rushed to replace.

We’ve just taken 7 points from 3 very tricky games. I think you’ll find that most united fans are happy with the direction we are going. We’ve also cruised through in Europe and now have the Thursdays behind us for a few months.

The issue is our players. You mention Spurs as an example, just who is their new manager and what did he do before joining them?

[GTO-3R]

Alpinestars said:

This is spot on for me.

Number 10, and WB is a great stopper but terrible at coming forward. So much stops down the right when he gets possession, as he often is too slow (a la Tony), it passes if backwards to Linda. His crossing is also very poor. Sort this, and sort a class number 10, and those draws would turn into wins.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10558814/m...

WB is getting better going forward already and given time will greatly improve the right side. I'd much rather it be that way around than a right back who is great going forward but can't defend (TAA)...

IMO the summer leavers will be:

Mata
Matic
Pereira
Young
Jones
Smalling
Maybe Martial too..

[Pommy]

Gone a bit AMG said:

Pommy said:

GTO-3R said:

I'm not all doom and gloom. I've said a few times on here that were a 2 or 3 signings off being a very good side again. We desperately need a 10 that can pick a killer pass out (which was proven again yesterday) and the ability to dictate the game from the front. I still live in hope that person is Pogba but I can't see it.

Surely the issue is manager/coach. Why isnit continually thought new signings is the answer.

How many teams who were doing poorly fixed it with new signings? Its pretty much always a coaching issue.

Look at Spurs. Still have issues but now winning with same team that couldnt win for anything.

Liverpool - you know how many players were alright (but not world class) and on a free when they came in and now are smashing it due to world class coaching.

Your issues reside with your coaching more than your players.

We’ve had 4 managers now since Fergie left 6 years ago, all with different approaches and differing taste in players which has led to a very disjointed squad that Ole is being given time to refresh. He’s been pretty ruthless with the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez as they were rotten influences and hasn’t rushed to replace.

We’ve just taken 7 points from 3 very tricky games. I think you’ll find that most united fans are happy with the direction we are going. We’ve also cruised through in Europe and now have the Thursdays behind us for a few months.

The issue is our players. You mention Spurs as an example, just who is their new manager and what did he do before joining them?

But loads of new players and still not the level of success you expect - the common theme is the manager.

Im not referring to what hes done before im referring to now - before is irrelevant as the point is the right manager at the right time can get results more than new signings.

[anonymous-user]

Pommy said:

But loads of new players and still not the level of success you expect - the common theme is the manager.

Im not referring to what hes done before im referring to now - before is irrelevant as the point is the right manager at the right time can get results more than new signings.

3 new players since Ole joined and unlike our other signings previously they all seem to be bedding in well

Add to that he seems to be getting a tune out of Fred who many of us had written off and things are moving in the right direction

[Keoparakolo]

Just to add some balance, I don’t see what the realist of you see. I see a Ron Atkinson team. Good players, all internationals, but can’t get as a team. Can deliver the odd outstanding performance against the top sides, but more often than not struggle against the lesser teams. In fact the lower down the table they are, the harder they find it.

Watford next week will be interesting. I genuinely think we’ll struggle. Irrespective of new manager bounce (they didn’t have one with their second manager this year) they are still the worst team in the league and have only won 1 of 17 this season.

[Chris Stott]

GTO-3R said:

WB is getting better going forward already and given time will greatly improve the right side. I'd much rather it be that way around than a right back who is great going forward but can't defend (TAA)...

IMO the summer leavers will be:

Mata
Matic
Pereira
Young
Jones
Smalling
Maybe Martial too..

Think you’ll struggle... A lot of those are on new, lucrative contracts... Jones, Smalling, Pereira & Martial all signed new contracts in the last 12 months.

Who’s going to take on their wages?

[Gone a bit AMG]

Chris Stott said:

GTO-3R said:

WB is getting better going forward already and given time will greatly improve the right side. I'd much rather it be that way around than a right back who is great going forward but can't defend (TAA)...

IMO the summer leavers will be:

Mata
Matic
Pereira
Young
Jones
Smalling
Maybe Martial too..

Think you’ll struggle... A lot of those are on new, lucrative contracts... Jones, Smalling, Pereira & Martial all signed new contracts in the last 12 months.

Who’s going to take on their wages?

Jones is on 50K a week the lucrative contract is a myth. As Woodward has explained recently to those that listen it will ensure he has a value in the transfer market even at £10 million it’ll cover his wages for the last few years.

Smalling is doing well very well in Italy, Roma already want to pay £12m.

Matic is out of contract as are mata and young.

They’ll be plenty of takers for Martial even if he doesn’t improve in the way Rashford has under Ole.

Ole seems to like Pereira so he’ll probably stay. We are a decent 10 from comfortably challenging for the top 4 another 2 or 3 on top of that in the next 3 windows and perhaps will be knocking on the door for the league again?

In the 12 months since Ole took over Rashford has scored 22 goals and this season has already surpassed his best return for a full season in a team with little creativity behind him. Fred is now improving as is AWB and let’s not even start on McTominay. Frequently dismissed on here yet now first on the team sheet and my MOM again yesterday.

Yet it is just Klopp and Pep that can I’m prove players? Ole is doing fine IMO the bulk of this team is young and will be inconsistent until more of the right kind of players are added. I’ll take a bit of short term pain particularly if we are turning over the bigger teams.

[Alpinestars]

We’ve drawn Bruge.

[Gone a bit AMG]

Yep nice trip that. I’ll try the ballot!

[guitarcarfanatic]

Smalling has been captaining Roma - they love him. Statistically, the 2nd best CB in the league this season.

Looks like a few Prem teams, including Arsenal will be fighting for his signature.

[Challo]

Gone a bit AMG said:

Chris Stott said:

GTO-3R said:

WB is getting better going forward already and given time will greatly improve the right side. I'd much rather it be that way around than a right back who is great going forward but can't defend (TAA)...

IMO the summer leavers will be:

Mata
Matic
Pereira
Young
Jones
Smalling
Maybe Martial too..

Think you’ll struggle... A lot of those are on new, lucrative contracts... Jones, Smalling, Pereira & Martial all signed new contracts in the last 12 months.

Who’s going to take on their wages?

Jones is on 50K a week the lucrative contract is a myth. As Woodward has explained recently to those that listen it will ensure he has a value in the transfer market even at £10 million it’ll cover his wages for the last few years.

Smalling is doing well very well in Italy, Roma already want to pay £12m.

Matic is out of contract as are mata and young.

They’ll be plenty of takers for Martial even if he doesn’t improve in the way Rashford has under Ole.

Ole seems to like Pereira so he’ll probably stay. We are a decent 10 from comfortably challenging for the top 4 another 2 or 3 on top of that in the next 3 windows and perhaps will be knocking on the door for the league again?

In the 12 months since Ole took over Rashford has scored 22 goals and this season has already surpassed his best return for a full season in a team with little creativity behind him. Fred is now improving as is AWB and let’s not even start on McTominay. Frequently dismissed on here yet now first on the team sheet and my MOM again yesterday.

Yet it is just Klopp and Pep that can I’m prove players? Ole is doing fine IMO the bulk of this team is young and will be inconsistent until more of the right kind of players are added. I’ll take a bit of short term pain particularly if we are turning over the bigger teams.

If Ole can bring in a few players who have performed like his first signings then it will be a huge improvement yet again. Great to see Rashford scoring, and Greenwood looks clinical as well.

[and31]

I see the Liverpool reserves are struggling somewhat against Villa.
Remember when United were pressurised in to playing in the world club championship in Brazil in 2000?
We were not allowed to field a second string team in the FA cup third round(when we were holders of the fa cup)
How come the rules have changed to let Liverpool field two teams in two competitions simultaneously??