Discussion
I'll start by saying I'm an avid sports fan and not a football hater.
However all of the bleary eyed "it's part of the community fabric" talk and rose tinted nostalgia is exactly that.
Football at al levels is now a business and the days of old are never coming back.
With the exception of the top few teams they all have excessive outgoings compared to income and no
business will ever survive for long with that model.
How long can we continue with the cycle of club goes bust, creditors get shafted, some wannabe saviour comes
in and buys the club for a £1, sucks even more money out in the next few years, rinse and repeat.
When has a club actually fully folded and ceased to exist ?
Unfortunately I think it will need a few cases where the bulldozers actually move in to give the other clubs
a reality boot up the arse and then they might just start to get their houses in order.
The obvious savings will be transfer fees and player wages. This might lead to relegation for some clubs but
better that than going to the wall. Also players will soon come to realise that a few £k less per-year is a lot better
than no job at all. Likewise the players agents.
However all of the bleary eyed "it's part of the community fabric" talk and rose tinted nostalgia is exactly that.
Football at al levels is now a business and the days of old are never coming back.
With the exception of the top few teams they all have excessive outgoings compared to income and no
business will ever survive for long with that model.
How long can we continue with the cycle of club goes bust, creditors get shafted, some wannabe saviour comes
in and buys the club for a £1, sucks even more money out in the next few years, rinse and repeat.
When has a club actually fully folded and ceased to exist ?
Unfortunately I think it will need a few cases where the bulldozers actually move in to give the other clubs
a reality boot up the arse and then they might just start to get their houses in order.
The obvious savings will be transfer fees and player wages. This might lead to relegation for some clubs but
better that than going to the wall. Also players will soon come to realise that a few £k less per-year is a lot better
than no job at all. Likewise the players agents.
over_the_hill said:
I'll start by saying I'm an avid sports fan and not a football hater.
However all of the bleary eyed "it's part of the community fabric" talk and rose tinted nostalgia is exactly that.
Football at al levels is now a business and the days of old are never coming back.
With the exception of the top few teams they all have excessive outgoings compared to income and no
business will ever survive for long with that model.
How long can we continue with the cycle of club goes bust, creditors get shafted, some wannabe saviour comes
in and buys the club for a £1, sucks even more money out in the next few years, rinse and repeat.
When has a club actually fully folded and ceased to exist ?
Unfortunately I think it will need a few cases where the bulldozers actually move in to give the other clubs
a reality boot up the arse and then they might just start to get their houses in order.
The obvious savings will be transfer fees and player wages. This might lead to relegation for some clubs but
better that than going to the wall. Also players will soon come to realise that a few £k less per-year is a lot better
than no job at all. Likewise the players agents.
You mean apart from Halifax, Chester, Darlington, Hereford, Rushden and Diamonds...However all of the bleary eyed "it's part of the community fabric" talk and rose tinted nostalgia is exactly that.
Football at al levels is now a business and the days of old are never coming back.
With the exception of the top few teams they all have excessive outgoings compared to income and no
business will ever survive for long with that model.
How long can we continue with the cycle of club goes bust, creditors get shafted, some wannabe saviour comes
in and buys the club for a £1, sucks even more money out in the next few years, rinse and repeat.
When has a club actually fully folded and ceased to exist ?
Unfortunately I think it will need a few cases where the bulldozers actually move in to give the other clubs
a reality boot up the arse and then they might just start to get their houses in order.
The obvious savings will be transfer fees and player wages. This might lead to relegation for some clubs but
better that than going to the wall. Also players will soon come to realise that a few £k less per-year is a lot better
than no job at all. Likewise the players agents.
Bury will cease to exist. A new Bury will form from the ashes playing 8 tiers down. Unless a miracle happens.
My take is that Dale knew this all along. Gigg Lane (not that I've ever been) seems to prime development land for housing. The cynic in me is that he will let it go to the wall and make millions from developing the ground. How, I don't know, but I suspect he's got a plan.
Poppiecock said:
Lots of people interviewed on breakfast news this morning complaining about owners, how it's a tragedy the club is going under.
Average attendance last season - 3.8k.
Ground capacity - 11.5k.
Perhaps if some more 'loyal' locals went to games, they wouldn't be in this position.
The trouble with Bury (and Stockport and Rochdale) is they are too near City and United, Bury's gates have always been very low, around the 2,500 mark, whereas Burnley, not too far away used to pull in 11,000 even when they were in the lower divisions years ago.Average attendance last season - 3.8k.
Ground capacity - 11.5k.
Perhaps if some more 'loyal' locals went to games, they wouldn't be in this position.
Bury have a very hard core of loyal fans to be fair, I'm desperately sorry for them.
Stockport always played on a Friday Night which helped them, as some City & United fans used to go.
I can't really see why anyone with lots of money would be interested in buying Bury, unless they have very strong links to the town, they certainly won't make any money I wouldn't have thought.
Tyre Smoke said:
You mean apart from Halifax, Chester, Darlington, Hereford, Rushden and Diamonds...
Bury will cease to exist. A new Bury will form from the ashes playing 8 tiers down. Unless a miracle happens.
My take is that Dale knew this all along. Gigg Lane (not that I've ever been) seems to prime development land for housing. The cynic in me is that he will let it go to the wall and make millions from developing the ground. How, I don't know, but I suspect he's got a plan.
Halifax - still exist and playing in ConferenceBury will cease to exist. A new Bury will form from the ashes playing 8 tiers down. Unless a miracle happens.
My take is that Dale knew this all along. Gigg Lane (not that I've ever been) seems to prime development land for housing. The cynic in me is that he will let it go to the wall and make millions from developing the ground. How, I don't know, but I suspect he's got a plan.
Chester - still exist and playing in National League
Darlington - still exist and playing in National League
Hereford - still exist and playing in National League
As you have noted it's more a case that they temporarily cease to exist then "phoenix".
When I said clubs ceasing to exists I was thinking more like Woolworths.
Perhaps there is no longer the support to sustain that many professional clubs anymore and reality is that it will
become pro for the top 3-4 tiers and that's it.
Edited by over_the_hill on Friday 23 August 11:44
Tyre Smoke said:
Rushden and Diamonds then.
Are all those Phoenix clubs still at their original grounds? Genuine question, I don't know. Hereford aren't at Edgar St are they? Thought that had been bulldozed.
I would have to check on the grounds but as noted above not many have to find a new home when they return in a new guise.Are all those Phoenix clubs still at their original grounds? Genuine question, I don't know. Hereford aren't at Edgar St are they? Thought that had been bulldozed.
Rushden and Diamonds are still going as AFC Rushden and Diamonds in the Souther League
Regarding Hereford a quick check on Wikipedia says
"They were founded in 2014 as a phoenix club for Hereford United, and inherited their Edgar Street stadium."
Such a shame for Bury, but there is so much football competition around them, apart from the Prem, Rochdale, Oldham, Stockport, Accrington, Crewe, Sky Franchise City, Wigan, and of course nearly as parlous, Bolton.
Apart from their amazing fans, there is just no apparent appetite to save Bury.
Apart from their amazing fans, there is just no apparent appetite to save Bury.
85Carrera said:
I guess it is incumbent on those of us who support PL teams to go and support our local teams every now and then. In many ways, it may be more enjoyable/like when we first started watching football.
I still try and take in one of two Brentford games per season, as my late father had been a Bees fan since just before WW2, and I used to go to games with him through the 70's and 80's and into early 90's.Although they have been a Championship team for past 5 years or so and came soooooo close to PL status a few years back, I can well remember the financial trauma's of the 35 years ago or so and the yo-yo years between 3rd and 4th Div.
Griffin Park is a great place to watch footy, with a pub at each corner effectively and it will be sad end of an era at the end of this season when they move to their shiney new ground just up the road, but to even be able to do that now, when I think back to the issues of the past is a testament that it can be done if managed well by the right people.
48k said:
I've been following this story for a while and listened to various interviews on the radio and I think part of the problem is the current chairman is the sort of person who argues that black is white (and does). He is either on the spectrum or needs to seek professional help for his mental health. I don't know if he has a long standing issue or if his behaviour is a symptom of his current predicament, but it's no wonder the situation at the Club is going from bad to worse when these behaviours are at the centre of everything.
Chairman on the radio now saying what a brilliant job he's done reducing the debt down. He believes everything that comes out of his mouth it's actually a bit sinister how sure he is of his position. 48k said:
48k said:
I've been following this story for a while and listened to various interviews on the radio and I think part of the problem is the current chairman is the sort of person who argues that black is white (and does). He is either on the spectrum or needs to seek professional help for his mental health. I don't know if he has a long standing issue or if his behaviour is a symptom of his current predicament, but it's no wonder the situation at the Club is going from bad to worse when these behaviours are at the centre of everything.
Chairman on the radio now saying what a brilliant job he's done reducing the debt down. He believes everything that comes out of his mouth it's actually a bit sinister how sure he is of his position. I agree with Phil Neville, it’s a disgrace but the previous owner is more to blame than this Steve Dale idiot.
I can see the club folding and a new club starting in it’s place. Sad nevertheless.
RammyMP said:
48k said:
48k said:
I've been following this story for a while and listened to various interviews on the radio and I think part of the problem is the current chairman is the sort of person who argues that black is white (and does). He is either on the spectrum or needs to seek professional help for his mental health. I don't know if he has a long standing issue or if his behaviour is a symptom of his current predicament, but it's no wonder the situation at the Club is going from bad to worse when these behaviours are at the centre of everything.
Chairman on the radio now saying what a brilliant job he's done reducing the debt down. He believes everything that comes out of his mouth it's actually a bit sinister how sure he is of his position. I agree with Phil Neville, it’s a disgrace but the previous owner is more to blame than this Steve Dale idiot.
I can see the club folding and a new club starting in it’s place. Sad nevertheless.
BBC said:
Owner Dale has told BBC Radio Manchester that he had found a "prospective buyer" who was "waiting for the EFL to come back to him on a few points".
It just comes across as utter smoke and mirrors - someone who argues black is white and puts up barrier after barrier due to either a mental condition that he can't control or an ulterior motive that he can. BBC reporting Dale has told BBC Radio Manchester that he has sold the club.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49455433
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49455433
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