The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 17]
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m3sye said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/trans...
The conditions that will lead to the Reds signing Timo Werner
All pretty much common sense, based on what we know of the club's recruitment policy. The conditions that will lead to the Reds signing Timo Werner
Whoever DOES come in would have to be ok with not being an automatic first choice - not many "galacticos" would be. Werner isn't at that level yet - as he intimated in his interview with Fjortoft last night. If that interview was genuine and reflected a natural humility that would have him accepting being 1 of the squad, we might well go after him.
phil_cardiff said:
But, ultimately, he was right about Balotelli and Sturridge.
I know it's subjective and obviously Sturridge did leave because of his injuries, but I think there's an argument that he was good value for money in the end. He was awesome when he was playing. For me it turns on the alternatives; there wan't a better option at the time.phil_cardiff said:
The Dempsey/Hendo thing never made sense.
But, ultimately, he was right about Balotelli and Sturridge.
He was full of BS though.
We were ALL right about Balotelli. Almost all... He didn't want him but ultimately our recruitment was really screwed at that point. But, ultimately, he was right about Balotelli and Sturridge.
He was full of BS though.
"Get me a striker"
"ok, we only have 2 choices left...(whispers the 2 names) "
"WTF?!!"
That was never going to end well. Sturridge though - ultimately we did get value out of him - was he a better option than Dempsey at that time, despite his injuries? I'd have to think yes, really. Dempsey went to Spurs and wasn't prolific - and was already over 30 anyway.
TheHat said:
I hope we can get the league monkey off our back this season and go back to that style of play( and the style Klopp has when he chooses) - it's just so exhilarating to watch.
I don't think we'll see that style hardly ever again. I think to manage player injuries, fatigue and player recovery - that style, whilst exhiliarating to watch, has generally been consigned to history. It's now all about control and playing smarter, not harder.phil_cardiff said:
Flip Martian said:
Chris Stott said:
The Liverpool job was too much too soon for him.
He needed to do something like the Celtic job before going to a top Prem side... learning How to play in Europe, for example.
His lack of self awareness relating to his own inexperience and failings also needed ironing out. Hopefully he's a bit more humble and grounded these days.He needed to do something like the Celtic job before going to a top Prem side... learning How to play in Europe, for example.
It was a huge relief when he left. Imagine, him wanting to ship out Henderson and part ex him to get Clint Dempsey in... Hendo back then wasn't a bad player by any stretch.
But, ultimately, he was right about Balotelli and Sturridge.
He was full of BS though.
However, it's a bit of both to blame most likely. Having a manager but not letting them do their own signings is a bit silly in the long term. How can you build a team/style that you want if you are getting told who to buy/play? Some of them were right, some were wrong, but overall you're going to have big issues if you have a disconnect between those buying players and the person who picks them each week/chooses the tactics. As it is now we don't know if Klopp is working with the transfer committee, or has the committee taken a step back and just recommends people rather than "forcing" the club to buy them no matter what the manager says. It'll be interesting to hear about in future years.
NRS said:
However, it's a bit of both to blame most likely. Having a manager but not letting them do their own signings is a bit silly in the long term. How can you build a team/style that you want if you are getting told who to buy/play?
That was my take. The stuff about telling him to find a way to play Can isn't right, but is the other spin that they felt Rogers wasn't picking him to make a point as the manager hadn't bought him?I think though that it's a better setup if you're less reliant on the manager, the players are bought to fit the Club's strategy and the manager is there to fine-tune and get the best from the players. It avoids the cycles of clearing out players when a new manager comes in and makes the cluib's success less contingent on the manager.
Tricky balance to get right though.
TheHat said:
And we should be thankful for the 13/14 season.
Yes it ended in failure but what a ride that was.
We should. Yes it ended in failure but what a ride that was.
That one season, with Suarez, Sturidge & Sterling all clicking, was the best attacking football I’ve seen. Klopp’s team of 2 years ago a close 2nd.
Unfortunate that football like that didn’t win stuff.
m3sye said:
And that style of play won us nothing and this style has won us 3 trophies about to be 4 - 2 of which are the biggest in football
Its not as if we are exactly boring to watch ??
Yes I agree we won nothing. Its not as if we are exactly boring to watch ??
We have been pretty boring at times. (Eg tuesday night)
But equally we can be thrilling.
I am in no way complaining and it's rare we go down with a whimper.
TheHat said:
Yes I agree we won nothing.
We have been pretty boring at times. (Eg tuesday night)
But equally we can be thrilling.
I am in no way complaining and it's rare we go down with a whimper.
I'm not sure any team could be exciting against a team with 10 men effectively behind the ball..(there was zero space) We have been pretty boring at times. (Eg tuesday night)
But equally we can be thrilling.
I am in no way complaining and it's rare we go down with a whimper.
We have had games where we have dug out results and games we have been brilliant..
That's what I'd expect a title winning team to be like,, utd were exactly the same when cleaning up..
m3sye said:
I'm not sure any team could be exciting against a team with 10 men effectively behind the ball..(there was zero space)
We have had games where we have dug out results and games we have been brilliant..
That's what I'd expect a title winning team to be like,, utd were exactly the same when cleaning up..
Just to reiterate i am not complaining.We have had games where we have dug out results and games we have been brilliant..
That's what I'd expect a title winning team to be like,, utd were exactly the same when cleaning up..
We'd have played differently a couple of years ago and Coutinho would have given us an option we don't have now.
Equally we may well have lost 3 nil in our earlier guise.
That Coutinho type midfield player is our one missing link now. XS is the only one similar.
Cbull said:
Ox, Salah, Mane & Hendo can be quite a decent option there too imo. All be it maybe not as effective in some areas.
I agree. Plus had TAA had his crossing boots on I think it would have been a different outcome. That was the worst he has been in that regard for as long as I can remember.
We have been very lucky(!) this season that TAA and Robertson have stayed injury-free. I really do think if either one of them picked up a long term injury, it would disrupt the balance of the team probably more than losing any other player. The attacking threat and assists they provide, is irreplaceable in this team at the moment. We simply don't really have a mature back-up, though Williams does show promise.
TheHat said:
Just to reiterate i am not complaining.
We'd have played differently a couple of years ago and Coutinho would have given us an option we don't have now.
Equally we may well have lost 3 nil in our earlier guise.
That Coutinho type midfield player is our one missing link now. XS is the only one similar.
I'm not saying you are just giving my opinion as you give yours We'd have played differently a couple of years ago and Coutinho would have given us an option we don't have now.
Equally we may well have lost 3 nil in our earlier guise.
That Coutinho type midfield player is our one missing link now. XS is the only one similar.
If Keita had been fit longer this season he and Ox are our players who create, Ox is more a long out shooter, Keita more a give and go creating space,
He started the season very well this year its shame injuries have held him back this year
Chris Stott said:
TheHat said:
And we should be thankful for the 13/14 season.
Yes it ended in failure but what a ride that was.
We should. Yes it ended in failure but what a ride that was.
That one season, with Suarez, Sturidge & Sterling all clicking, was the best attacking football I’ve seen. Klopp’s team of 2 years ago a close 2nd.
Unfortunate that football like that didn’t win stuff.
Always found it odd that Sturridge managed to stay fit all/most of that season whilst the team (and him) were on fire, whereas every other season it seemed like a stubbed toe would keep him out for a couple of months. Kind of touches on what Gerrard said about not willing to play through the pain barrier.
But with the keeper and defence we have now, I'm in no doubt that we could play that way again and win trophies.
m3sye said:
I'm not saying you are just giving my opinion as you give yours
If Keita had been fit longer this season he and Ox are our players who create, Ox is more a long out shooter, Keita more a give and go creating space,
He started the season very well this year its shame injuries have held him back this year
Neither of those would create in the same way as PC - they are more direct. If Keita had been fit longer this season he and Ox are our players who create, Ox is more a long out shooter, Keita more a give and go creating space,
He started the season very well this year its shame injuries have held him back this year
PC could run round a packed defence. The others mentioned don't do that.
TheHat said:
Neither of those would create in the same way as PC - they are more direct.
PC could run round a packed defence. The others mentioned don't do that.
I am not sure how we play now has room for a Phil type player tbh - we were much easier to get at when he was in the team.PC could run round a packed defence. The others mentioned don't do that.
Naby is the most creative player we have on the ball he just needs to stay bloody fit
m3sye said:
I am not sure how we play now has room for a Phil type player tbh - we were much easier to get at when he was in the team.
Naby is the most creative player we have on the ball he just needs to stay bloody fit
I don't think there is room either. Which is entirely my point. Naby is the most creative player we have on the ball he just needs to stay bloody fit
There would be room if we went back to being more open. Which were before and we won nothing.
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