US presidential election 2020:Winner?
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Carl_Manchester said:
We should have results through from Iowa today, they should have been done over night but it looks like they have tech problems over at Democrat HQ.
Once we have them it will give an early indication of who Trump will be running against.
The Democrats cannot even run their own caucus. What a shower... Elect us, even though we cannot run our own election for the Presidential candidate efficiently. Once we have them it will give an early indication of who Trump will be running against.
Vanden Saab said:
Carl_Manchester said:
We should have results through from Iowa today, they should have been done over night but it looks like they have tech problems over at Democrat HQ.
Once we have them it will give an early indication of who Trump will be running against.
The Democrats cannot even run their own caucus. What a shower... Elect us, even though we cannot run our own election for the Presidential candidate efficiently. Once we have them it will give an early indication of who Trump will be running against.
I think America is about to enter it's very own Corbyn moment.
Bernie has the equivalent of Momentum - loads of energised youngsters who are doing to upset the dynamics of electoral process. You don't need as much money when you've got 100,000 very loud and active supporters to get your message out.
Bernie may well win the Democratic nomination. Bernie is unelectable in wider America - from our point of view, he is a bit of a lefty, but in the US he's a 'goddam commie'.
So we'll have an inept president up against an incompetent opposition. We've been there....
Bernie has the equivalent of Momentum - loads of energised youngsters who are doing to upset the dynamics of electoral process. You don't need as much money when you've got 100,000 very loud and active supporters to get your message out.
Bernie may well win the Democratic nomination. Bernie is unelectable in wider America - from our point of view, he is a bit of a lefty, but in the US he's a 'goddam commie'.
So we'll have an inept president up against an incompetent opposition. We've been there....
rxe said:
I think America is about to enter it's very own Corbyn moment.
Bernie has the equivalent of Momentum - loads of energised youngsters who are doing to upset the dynamics of electoral process. You don't need as much money when you've got 100,000 very loud and active supporters to get your message out.
Bernie may well win the Democratic nomination. Bernie is unelectable in wider America - from our point of view, he is a bit of a lefty, but in the US he's a 'goddam commie'.
So we'll have an inept president up against an incompetent opposition. We've been there....
Bernie did have some (for want of a better word) momentum behind him last time around, and an apparent quantity of people who may have voted democrat were so hacked off with the way they maneuvered hillary in that they voted republican.Bernie has the equivalent of Momentum - loads of energised youngsters who are doing to upset the dynamics of electoral process. You don't need as much money when you've got 100,000 very loud and active supporters to get your message out.
Bernie may well win the Democratic nomination. Bernie is unelectable in wider America - from our point of view, he is a bit of a lefty, but in the US he's a 'goddam commie'.
So we'll have an inept president up against an incompetent opposition. We've been there....
Now he's 4 years older, and looking it, and I feel has run his course, while trump for all his absurdities hasn't started WW4, 5 and 6 or any of the other fantastical predictions that being peddled in favour of sensible debate so has lost any of the fear factor the left have tried so hard to instill. So between those two I can't see it going any other way, plus as you say hard socialism doesn't play well to begin with to the American masses outside the news and entertainment industries and schools that feed them - trump would have to be screwing up in a collossal way for them to vote for the commie.
Teddy Lop said:
Bernie did have some (for want of a better word) momentum behind him last time around, and an apparent quantity of people who may have voted democrat were so hacked off with the way they maneuvered hillary in that they voted republican.
Now he's 4 years older, and looking it, and I feel has run his course, while trump for all his absurdities hasn't started WW4, 5 and 6 or any of the other fantastical predictions that being peddled in favour of sensible debate so has lost any of the fear factor the left have tried so hard to instill. So between those two I can't see it going any other way, plus as you say hard socialism doesn't play well to begin with to the American masses outside the news and entertainment industries and schools that feed them - trump would have to be screwing up in a collossal way for them to vote for the commie.
Public healthcare = communism??Now he's 4 years older, and looking it, and I feel has run his course, while trump for all his absurdities hasn't started WW4, 5 and 6 or any of the other fantastical predictions that being peddled in favour of sensible debate so has lost any of the fear factor the left have tried so hard to instill. So between those two I can't see it going any other way, plus as you say hard socialism doesn't play well to begin with to the American masses outside the news and entertainment industries and schools that feed them - trump would have to be screwing up in a collossal way for them to vote for the commie.
I really don't think a lot of people understand various political ideologies.
Sadly, Trump will win.
The Democrats can't compromise and find a solid centrist candidate to rally around.
In the US the state owning and running anything is viewed as socialism and the misrepresentation of the likes of the NHS are terrible (when they are reported).
If I lived there (I have in the past) I would be politically homeless at present. I liked Obama with his hope message. Clinton was charismatic.
Even George W Bush doesn't look so bad now...
The Democrats can't compromise and find a solid centrist candidate to rally around.
In the US the state owning and running anything is viewed as socialism and the misrepresentation of the likes of the NHS are terrible (when they are reported).
If I lived there (I have in the past) I would be politically homeless at present. I liked Obama with his hope message. Clinton was charismatic.
Even George W Bush doesn't look so bad now...
I genuinely thought Warren could become the Democrat candidate and go on to win against Trump until she announced her healthcare policy at which point I figured she’d irrevocably screwed up any chance she may have had.
I think the Dems can win but need a moderate who can stand on a stage alongside Trump and call him out for the %@#& he is. I don’t think he’ll get the nomination but think Bloomberg would have the best chance in a race as he can counter most of Trumps usp’s; “rich, nah, you’re not rich or successful; look at my wad..”
I think the Dems can win but need a moderate who can stand on a stage alongside Trump and call him out for the %@#& he is. I don’t think he’ll get the nomination but think Bloomberg would have the best chance in a race as he can counter most of Trumps usp’s; “rich, nah, you’re not rich or successful; look at my wad..”
rxe said:
I think America is about to enter it's very own Corbyn moment.
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Quite agree...
Politics in the UK and the USA over the past number of years has been focussed on the single narrative of "inequality", painting capitalism as an abhorrent oppressive patriarchal regime.
The mission of the left wing seems to have been a circus of manufacturing examples of "inequality" at every opportunity in order to create division, anger and to rally left leaning types on to their voting register. Concentrating on the impressionable young, making them angry and using 2008 as an example of why capitalism is not fit for purpose. At the same time offering a version of socialism that sits well and truly in the hard left of any political swing.
However, as we saw with Corbyn in the UK, people are tired of it all. They have no credible economic plans and all they have is the constant droning of the "inequality" narrative, as if people in the west are in dire poverty, living on the scraps of discarded spam tins.
I expect the Dems to lose quite spectacularly in the next US election, given that they failed to produce a clear cut case to remove Trump, and admitting that their motives for doing so was to remove him from a future ballot. That type of action I think will have big repercussions for the Dems, because the american voter is commonly very patriotic and very democratically mind set. The notion that a political party has the mind set to restrict who the american public can vote for will likely see many marginals avoid a blue vote for a long time to come.
I agree, I think Sanders has past his sell by date. yes, he is popular with the young, mostly coastal and metropolitan, but he's not going to bring the swing voters with him. Hr may host a good rally, with lots of shiny fresh faces, but just as Red Wedge did the same it never troubled Thatcher. He does not have the depth of support across other demographics.
What will rattle Trump is someone who punches back. Clinton could be feisty, but he got a soft run really. It will take someone who can punch low and really get under his skin and not be afraid to play the man not the ball - everything he does.
I can see Biden doing that - like a decent comedian dealing with a heckler, or Bloomberg, who will just punch him, metaphorically on the nose and on the actually on the wallet.
Sn1ckers said:
I genuinely thought Warren could become the Democrat candidate and go on to win against Trump until she announced her healthcare policy at which point I figured she’d irrevocably screwed up any chance she may have had.
I think the Dems can win but need a moderate who can stand on a stage alongside Trump and call him out for the %@#& he is. I don’t think he’ll get the nomination but think Bloomberg would have the best chance in a race as he can counter most of Trumps usp’s; “rich, nah, you’re not rich or successful; look at my wad..”
there's already too much time spent criticising trump (and capitalism etc) and not enough on what they could be better. I like what tulsi gabbard has to say because she tries to rise above the pettiness of it IMO - pettiness being a fight that trump will always win!I think the Dems can win but need a moderate who can stand on a stage alongside Trump and call him out for the %@#& he is. I don’t think he’ll get the nomination but think Bloomberg would have the best chance in a race as he can counter most of Trumps usp’s; “rich, nah, you’re not rich or successful; look at my wad..”
Teddy Lop said:
Sn1ckers said:
I genuinely thought Warren could become the Democrat candidate and go on to win against Trump until she announced her healthcare policy at which point I figured she’d irrevocably screwed up any chance she may have had.
I think the Dems can win but need a moderate who can stand on a stage alongside Trump and call him out for the %@#& he is. I don’t think he’ll get the nomination but think Bloomberg would have the best chance in a race as he can counter most of Trumps usp’s; “rich, nah, you’re not rich or successful; look at my wad..”
there's already too much time spent criticising trump (and capitalism etc) and not enough on what they could be better. I like what tulsi gabbard has to say because she tries to rise above the pettiness of it IMO - pettiness being a fight that trump will always win!I think the Dems can win but need a moderate who can stand on a stage alongside Trump and call him out for the %@#& he is. I don’t think he’ll get the nomination but think Bloomberg would have the best chance in a race as he can counter most of Trumps usp’s; “rich, nah, you’re not rich or successful; look at my wad..”
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