The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 13]

The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 13]

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ddom

6,657 posts

47 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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Adam. said:
And there we go
Is that a yes?



I mean Son was bad, but he’s yet to master the Jedi dive....

Edited by ddom on Monday 12th April 11:14

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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Adam. said:
anonymous said:
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I would like to see the introduction of yellows for simulation even if there was slight contact
I think its all but impossible though

If Moura is sprinting along a tiny clip of the ankles may unbalance him and he would go down fairly, hitting Dier the same may in fact be a dive

I think if a player stays down for more than 1 minute then they have to be taken off for minimum of 3

With VAR if its not a red card offence that the ref has missed, don't get involved

People will always argue with the McTom/Son incident, VAR won't solve it so let the game flow and people can have the debates they have been for 40 years

Alternatively if as Utd are breaking and Scott gives Sonny a Glasgow Kiss while everyone is looking the other way and he's down and bleeding, sure, flag it up, send him off

TEKNOPUG

18,842 posts

204 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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jammy-git said:
TEKNOPUG said:
jammy-git said:
We do have the same problem - though it's been handy that Diogo has come in and performed.

The question over whether the new replacements will be any good, that some others have raised, is a completely separate conversation though. Those players need replacing within a certain timeframe regardless. As you say, that takes money, and given the COVID caused problems with finances, Kane is the obvious sacrifice and I'm sure Levy is well aware of that.
How do you replace Kane without spending all the Kane money on his replacement?
You don't. You find the next Kane and spend a quarter of the Kane money.
Simples.

Adam.

27,142 posts

253 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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anonymous said:
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Good idea, or to avoid the 59 second count and jump to your feet, if the medic comes on, minimum 3 minutes off

Byker28i

58,795 posts

216 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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Guvernator said:
We have some very talented players at the club, Kane, Son, Ndombele, Hojbjerg, Reggie, Lo Celso (not so much lately) but we also have some right dross. Poch somehow got the dross playing a bit better which allowed our real talent to shine. Jose doesn't have the ability to make st players decent and in fact he's made some decent players very poor (Dele)

Due to underinvestment, we've now got to a point where the dross outweighs the talent. We also have a manager whose play style effectively shackles our best players in attack while putting a huge onus on our worst players in defence which is just crazy. Why would you not try play to your strengths rather than your weaknesses? Unfortunately Jose knows no other way.

So we are stuck with a manager whose play style doesn't fit Spurs, rubbish players who haven't been replaced for years and a chairman who puts making a profit above winning things.

Frankly Poch performed miracles for 2-3 years but even he knew it couldn't last without serious reinvestment, he tried to tell Levy as much but got sacked for his troubles.

Levy, Jose and 5 or 6 players need to be changed, in that order.
I think I agree with all this apart from Levy. His control of the money has been spot on so far - apart from spending on the players and the results. What he has done is managed it as a business and provided the club with the best facilities, ground and training ground, plus a way bringing additional income into the club. He's done exactly what he said he would do over the last 7-8 years shareholders meetings...

GTO-3R

7,458 posts

212 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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TEKNOPUG said:
jammy-git said:
TEKNOPUG said:
jammy-git said:
We do have the same problem - though it's been handy that Diogo has come in and performed.

The question over whether the new replacements will be any good, that some others have raised, is a completely separate conversation though. Those players need replacing within a certain timeframe regardless. As you say, that takes money, and given the COVID caused problems with finances, Kane is the obvious sacrifice and I'm sure Levy is well aware of that.
How do you replace Kane without spending all the Kane money on his replacement?
You don't. You find the next Kane and spend a quarter of the Kane money.
Simples.
It is, other teams like Leicester seem to do it and West Ham too with some shrewd signings. There is an abundance of talent out there, but the problem with Spurs is they think they're too good for them it seems.

jammy-git

29,775 posts

211 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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TEKNOPUG said:
jammy-git said:
TEKNOPUG said:
jammy-git said:
We do have the same problem - though it's been handy that Diogo has come in and performed.

The question over whether the new replacements will be any good, that some others have raised, is a completely separate conversation though. Those players need replacing within a certain timeframe regardless. As you say, that takes money, and given the COVID caused problems with finances, Kane is the obvious sacrifice and I'm sure Levy is well aware of that.
How do you replace Kane without spending all the Kane money on his replacement?
You don't. You find the next Kane and spend a quarter of the Kane money.
Simples.
IF you sold Kane, you simply aren't going to be a club that another £150m player wants to come to. Nor do I think Spurs could, or would want to, afford the wages.

There are maybe half a dozen clubs in the World that can buy readymade World class players. For every other club we have to try and make them.

TEKNOPUG

18,842 posts

204 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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GTO-3R said:
It is, other teams like Leicester seem to do it and West Ham too with some shrewd signings. There is an abundance of talent out there, but the problem with Spurs is they think they're too good for them it seems.
rofl

NRS

22,078 posts

200 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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I don't even know where this "underinvestment" or "no money" even comes from. Spurs are one of the highest spenders on players in recent seasons in the PL. The whole " we spend no money" is several seasons ago.

Leicester Loyal

4,517 posts

121 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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If Kane goes (not that he will this summer), Danny Ings? 12 months left on his contract, you'll probably pick him up for 20m or so, or for free next summer.

Guvernator

13,103 posts

164 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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Liverpool and Utd fans complaining about diving.

roflrofl

It's like a parallel universe in here sometimes. Penchester Utd and the other team with literally two of the best divers in the business in the shape of Salah and Mane.

Deflection, nah I'd call it facts and as well know, facts aren't insults. wink

As for Spurs spending loads of money, our net spend was £85m last year and £75m the previous which sounds like a lot but not when you consider we've spent bugger all for about 5 years prior to that. Our 5 year average is still lower than many mid table or even bottom of the league clubs. The monied clubs spend that and more every year, sometimes on one player.

I WISH we could be called a spending club.

jammy-git

29,775 posts

211 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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NRS said:
I don't even know where this "underinvestment" or "no money" even comes from. Spurs are one of the highest spenders on players in recent seasons in the PL. The whole " we spend no money" is several seasons ago.
True. But there is spending lots of money on lots of average players (a la us in the Benetiz era), who will come with average sized wages. And then there is spending large on expensive players with expensive wages, supplemented by hidden gems.

Guvernator

13,103 posts

164 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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jammy-git said:
True. But there is spending lots of money on lots of average players (a la us in the Benetiz era), who will come with average sized wages. And then there is spending large on expensive players with expensive wages, supplemented by hidden gems.
Exactly this, we buy lots of bargain basement players, hoping they will come good but with a few exceptions, they rarely do. Luckily Ndom, the one player we've spent proper money on, with the equivalent wages to match, has been outstanding. Would be rather embarrassing to spend £50m+ on a player, expecting great things, only for them to turn out st * cough * Kieta * cough *

NRS

22,078 posts

200 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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Guvernator said:
jammy-git said:
True. But there is spending lots of money on lots of average players (a la us in the Benetiz era), who will come with average sized wages. And then there is spending large on expensive players with expensive wages, supplemented by hidden gems.
Exactly this, we buy lots of bargain basement players, hoping they will come good but with a few exceptions, they rarely do. Luckily Ndom, the one player we've spent proper money on, with the equivalent wages to match, has been outstanding. Would be rather embarrassing to spend £50m+ on a player, expecting great things, only for them to turn out st * cough * Kieta * cough *
Yes, but you have still spend a lot of money - I think 4th or 5th highest in league last season for example. So it's perhaps less about the amount used (recently - before that it seemed like the focus was on the stadium, which you're all so proud of) and how it is used. As Jammy mentioned, we spent big for example with the Suarez money, but wasted it all on lots of mediocre rubbish. More recently the focus has been paying a bit more for selective players which have tended to work (Keita aside), plus some bargain basement players who have improved as part of the team (for example Robertson).

jammy-git

29,775 posts

211 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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I think most of us LFC supporters know that Keita is talented, for whatever reason he just hasn't been able to adapt to the Prem. I fully expect him to go to another league and be a very good player.

I think what it comes down to is either you have a good scouting department or you don't. But NRS is right, the money is there (at least pre-COVID) at Spurs to be buying the sort of players that should have you comfortably in the top four.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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Like much of the 'bants' in this thread Keita only gets such a hard time because Sye wked himself silly about him

I'm not sure he's awful or great really and we've all had bad buys

juice

8,508 posts

281 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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jammy-git said:
I think what it comes down to is either you have a good scouting department or you don't. But NRS is right, the money is there (at least pre-COVID) at Spurs to be buying the sort of players that should have you comfortably in the top four.
That assumes we know what the fk we're doing....

NRS

22,078 posts

200 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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anonymous said:
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Same with Thiago - think it was Sye who called him world class? He was very positive about our players in general, laugh

jammy-git said:
I think what it comes down to is either you have a good scouting department or you don't. But NRS is right, the money is there (at least pre-COVID) at Spurs to be buying the sort of players that should have you comfortably in the top four.
I guess you'd expect City, United and probably Chelsea to be in the top 4 given the spends? City spend a lot each season, more buying lots of £50m players. United have bough some big names, and for some reason re-signing their crap players on even higher salaries when their contracts run out! Chelsea spend big last time, but not sure what their spend in the previous seasons have been? We spent "big" a few seasons back, but on a net-spend level it wasn't much due to the crazy PC money we got - basically covered 2 large spends, both of whom worked out.

So I wouldn't say there is a comfortable top 4 based on spending, but Spurs have spent enough to be there these past few seasons. It's just how it's spent - and not all clubs can be there at the same time. United are perhaps most obvious - their really big purchases a few years ago didn't work out, whereas with a more team focus it seems to help. We have been more unusual and our big spends typically worked out (or at least were just bang average) I think - but a few years before that we signed absolute dross.

Spurs have a better position to build on with the new stadium, but one of the big issues is corona meaning there isn't the extra income from the bigger capacity. Even worse, they're having to pay the loans with no income to help, whereas most other clubs presumably have limited stadium costs.

Wadeski

8,132 posts

212 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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GTO-3R said:
It is, other teams like Leicester seem to do it and West Ham too with some shrewd signings. There is an abundance of talent out there, but the problem with Spurs is they think they're too good for them it seems.
West Ham? Shrewd signings? Sure this year they have had some luck, but over the last 20, they have had an atrocious record! Thhe number of past-it, injury-prone foreign players they have spent big money on is hilarious.

CourtAgain

3,766 posts

63 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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Wadeski said:
GTO-3R said:
It is, other teams like Leicester seem to do it and West Ham too with some shrewd signings. There is an abundance of talent out there, but the problem with Spurs is they think they're too good for them it seems.
West Ham? Shrewd signings? Sure this year they have had some luck, but over the last 20, they have had an atrocious record! Thhe number of past-it, injury-prone foreign players they have spent big money on is hilarious.
Jack Wheelchair, hot on the heels of Andy Carroll who they had to shift off the payroll after months of injury... biggrin

Hammers have done well not having someone as toxic as Jose Mourinho who has even managed to pee Son off. I imagine after Friday he's gone if it's a substantial loss frown
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