The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 19]
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RowntreesCabana said:
How times have changed. This was the most popular (by far) football club thread on PistonHeads, now frequently being relegated to page 2...
If that wasn't indicative of where we have now found ourselves, here's a little gossip to keep us down
"Liverpool are not willing to pay the fee demanded by Dortmund for Bellingham so will switch their attention to Wolves' Portugal midfielder Matheus Nunes, 24, instead. (Fichajes - in Spanish) BBC."
This follows on from David Ornstein's snippet stating that whilst we'd still like him, the financials will likely see him go to either RM or City.
I'm not sure if it's a bad thing really, we were never going to buy him and another couple of top class targets, so most likely JB and one or two squad players, so if this means we can bring in 3 decent £60m(ish) targets then it might be for the best? Bellingham and a squadie would only be papering over the cracks, and knowing us, he'd be out for most of the season with a serious injury anyway...
Always look on the bright side of life.....
Nothings really happening. If that wasn't indicative of where we have now found ourselves, here's a little gossip to keep us down
"Liverpool are not willing to pay the fee demanded by Dortmund for Bellingham so will switch their attention to Wolves' Portugal midfielder Matheus Nunes, 24, instead. (Fichajes - in Spanish) BBC."
This follows on from David Ornstein's snippet stating that whilst we'd still like him, the financials will likely see him go to either RM or City.
I'm not sure if it's a bad thing really, we were never going to buy him and another couple of top class targets, so most likely JB and one or two squad players, so if this means we can bring in 3 decent £60m(ish) targets then it might be for the best? Bellingham and a squadie would only be papering over the cracks, and knowing us, he'd be out for most of the season with a serious injury anyway...
Always look on the bright side of life.....
Was going to comment about trent not being selected for Emgland again but even that is old news these days.
ChocolateFrog said:
RowntreesCabana said:
How times have changed. This was the most popular (by far) football club thread on PistonHeads, now frequently being relegated to page 2...
If that wasn't indicative of where we have now found ourselves, here's a little gossip to keep us down
"Liverpool are not willing to pay the fee demanded by Dortmund for Bellingham so will switch their attention to Wolves' Portugal midfielder Matheus Nunes, 24, instead. (Fichajes - in Spanish) BBC."
This follows on from David Ornstein's snippet stating that whilst we'd still like him, the financials will likely see him go to either RM or City.
I'm not sure if it's a bad thing really, we were never going to buy him and another couple of top class targets, so most likely JB and one or two squad players, so if this means we can bring in 3 decent £60m(ish) targets then it might be for the best? Bellingham and a squadie would only be papering over the cracks, and knowing us, he'd be out for most of the season with a serious injury anyway...
Always look on the bright side of life.....
Nothings really happening. If that wasn't indicative of where we have now found ourselves, here's a little gossip to keep us down
"Liverpool are not willing to pay the fee demanded by Dortmund for Bellingham so will switch their attention to Wolves' Portugal midfielder Matheus Nunes, 24, instead. (Fichajes - in Spanish) BBC."
This follows on from David Ornstein's snippet stating that whilst we'd still like him, the financials will likely see him go to either RM or City.
I'm not sure if it's a bad thing really, we were never going to buy him and another couple of top class targets, so most likely JB and one or two squad players, so if this means we can bring in 3 decent £60m(ish) targets then it might be for the best? Bellingham and a squadie would only be papering over the cracks, and knowing us, he'd be out for most of the season with a serious injury anyway...
Always look on the bright side of life.....
Was going to comment about trent not being selected for Emgland again but even that is old news these days.
Legends game is streaming live for free on YT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLDWo_KAEKM
It's a bit like watching Sunday League though, to be honest...
Weird seeing Sami Hyppia and Martin Skrtel both sporting a full head of brown hair each.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLDWo_KAEKM
It's a bit like watching Sunday League though, to be honest...
Weird seeing Sami Hyppia and Martin Skrtel both sporting a full head of brown hair each.
Edited by Flip Martian on Saturday 25th March 15:36
MissChief said:
Trent only went to the World Cup to keep the press quiet. Southgate has no intention of ever playing him, never mind actually calling him up.
We need to stop playing him at right back and stick him in midfield IMHO, as I've said numerous times before . His tackling is good enough for the middle of the park but in an era with huge numbers of quality left wingers he's a liability at right back who has been getting ruthlessly targeted for quite some time now, and he's not improved and is clearly not enjoying his football.With that right foot I reckon he'd get 10-15 goals a season and more assists than he manages at present. The idea that he can't press or beat a man is b
ks from what I've seen when he does push up the pitch.25 this year, if things don't change he'll end up being one of England's greatest wasted talents.
jammy-git said:
He's been defensively suspect all season, maybe even longer. And you want to move him into midfield where our main issue has been lack of defensive work leading to our defence being over-exposed?
I didn't suggest he should be put there to play a defensive role. We 100% need to replace Fabinho who is a shadow of his former self, but are also crying out for more creativity and goal scoring threat from our midfield if we're going to complete.How much defensive work do you see KDB doing for Man City?
SWoll said:
jammy-git said:
He's been defensively suspect all season, maybe even longer. And you want to move him into midfield where our main issue has been lack of defensive work leading to our defence being over-exposed?
I didn't suggest he should be put there to play a defensive role. We 100% need to replace Fabinho who is a shadow of his former self, but are also crying out for more creativity and goal scoring threat from our midfield if we're going to complete.How much defensive work do you see KDB doing for Man City?
85Carrera said:
More than TAA does!
Does he balls, that's Rodri's job. Get rid of Fab as he looks finished, bring in a quality CDM who can offer some protection for the defence, break up play and start our build up just like Fab used to (Matheus Nunes, Ruben Neves, Milinkovi?-Savi?, Declan Rice), a right back who can actually defend (?) and stick TAA in a forward midfield position alongside Gakpo with Diaz, Nunez and Salah up front.
I'd replace Salah as well as believe his best days are behind him and has become utterly predictable, but not going to happen. Olise from Palace would be my pick even if we're going to start Mo for a while yet.
I find it interesting just how many footy fans think they can put together a better team than the manager that's currently there. Not a criticism - it is a staple of every pub in the land after a game, after all! Despite having sat in pubs after games though, it's not something I do. Mind you, I was pretty crap at Championship Manager so I know any ideas I had would be very suspect. 
But I suspect those who see Trent playing day in and day out don't play him in midfield for very good reasons, which we're not party to.
But I suspect those who see Trent playing day in and day out don't play him in midfield for very good reasons, which we're not party to.
jammy-git said:
He's been defensively suspect all season, maybe even longer. And you want to move him into midfield where our main issue has been lack of defensive work leading to our defence being over-exposed?
I would, he is not short of youth and energy and can put a defensive shift in (closing and tackling). What he lacks is awareness and positioning which is key in defence and less so in MF.Flip Martian said:
I find it interesting just how many footy fans think they can put together a better team than the manager that's currently there. Not a criticism - it is a staple of every pub in the land after a game, after all! Despite having sat in pubs after games though, it's not something I do. Mind you, I was pretty crap at Championship Manager so I know any ideas I had would be very suspect.
But I suspect those who see Trent playing day in and day out don't play him in midfield for very good reasons, which we're not party to.
It's very easy to get stuck doing something just because it's what you have always done. Trent's attacking contributions have always far outweighed his defensive ones and we've gotten away with it for a while due to the hard work and form of other squad members papering over the cracks. Unfortunately now that certain other members of the squad have seen a dip in form/energy his deficiencies have become all too obvious for everyone to see. All you need to do is compare him to Robbo and its as clear as day, hence why pretty much every opposition team target him mercilessly and he doesn't get an England call up.But I suspect those who see Trent playing day in and day out don't play him in midfield for very good reasons, which we're not party to.
He's a hugely talented footballer who is both wasted and a liability in his current role IMHO.
Adam. said:
I would, he is not short of youth and energy and can put a defensive shift in (closing and tackling). What he lacks is awareness and positioning which is key in defence and less so in MF.
Adam. said:
jammy-git said:
He's been defensively suspect all season, maybe even longer. And you want to move him into midfield where our main issue has been lack of defensive work leading to our defence being over-exposed?
I would, he is not short of youth and energy and can put a defensive shift in (closing and tackling). What he lacks is awareness and positioning which is key in defence and less so in MF.Think about all the midfielders that Klopp has won trophies for us with. Fabinho, Gini, Henderson, Thiago... All excellent readers of the game.
The only exceptions being the likes of Ox, Taki, Elliott, whose job is it is to drive with the ball from midfield into attack and support the forwards, but that isn't Trents game either.
You only need to look at the fact that Klopp has gone with Elliott, Curtis and now Stefan in midfield over choosing to stick Trent in there. He clearly doesn't think Trent has what he wants from a midfielder.
jammy-git said:
What? Seriously? Our issues in midfield this season stem from players either switching off lacking awareness of what is happening around them, or being too slow to be in the correct position to break the opposition play down.
Think about all the midfielders that Klopp has won trophies for us with. Fabinho, Gini, Henderson, Thiago... All excellent readers of the game.
The only exceptions being the likes of Ox, Taki, Elliott, whose job is it is to drive with the ball from midfield into attack and support the forwards, but that isn't Trents game either.
You only need to look at the fact that Klopp has gone with Elliott, Curtis and now Stefan in midfield over choosing to stick Trent in there. He clearly doesn't think Trent has what he wants from a midfielder.
Our problems in midfield this season are due to Fabinho being a shadow of his former self and the likes of Henderson and Thiago slowing down and being injured all the time. Bajcetic has been getting so much game time in an attempt to make up for these deficiencies, but relying on 2 teenagers to hold your midfield together is a perfect example of bad planning.Think about all the midfielders that Klopp has won trophies for us with. Fabinho, Gini, Henderson, Thiago... All excellent readers of the game.
The only exceptions being the likes of Ox, Taki, Elliott, whose job is it is to drive with the ball from midfield into attack and support the forwards, but that isn't Trents game either.
You only need to look at the fact that Klopp has gone with Elliott, Curtis and now Stefan in midfield over choosing to stick Trent in there. He clearly doesn't think Trent has what he wants from a midfielder.
The idea that Trent isn't capable of driving the ball into attack I find ridiculous.
worldwidewebs said:
There are much better RBs around. There are much better midfielders around. He's capable of putting in a decent pass or cross (assuming he misses the first man) but I feel we'd be much better as a TEAM without him in it
Agree on your first comment, don't know how you can judge on the second as he's had no opportunity to show what he's capable of in midfield.His attacking contributions would be much better if he wasn't constantly having to worry about running 50 yards back into position whilst burning up his energy in the process.
Edited by SWoll on Sunday 26th March 09:35
jammy-git said:
The point still stands, Klopp would rather bring Elliott, Stefan and Curtis as completely inexperienced players into midfield before experimenting with Trent there, so what does that tell you?
That Klopp doesn't believe we have a better option at RB?I'm not saying we should make the change today as mentioned above, we need a new CDM and quality right back who can defend first. What I'm saying is that Trent is both wasted and a liability at RB and resolving that issue would make sense as part of the transfer plan in the summer.
Adam. said:
jammy-git said:
The point still stands, Klopp would rather bring Elliott, Stefan and Curtis as completely inexperienced players into midfield before experimenting with Trent there, so what does that tell you?
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