The Official Euro 2020 thread....

The Official Euro 2020 thread....

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ajprice

27,319 posts

195 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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smn159 said:
France, Germany or Portugal next then

Good luck with any of those, chaps hehe

Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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ajprice said:
smn159 said:
France, Germany or Portugal next then

Good luck with any of those, chaps hehe
lol true ‘dat

ddom

6,657 posts

47 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Could be worse. Could be Scotland.

Driver101

14,376 posts

120 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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jcremonini said:
Flip Martian said:
RichB said:
ChocolateFrog said:
The bitterness in the rivalry works both ways.
yes
Scotland loving getting one over the English I can understand. History generally, politics and the England football team generally always being far better rated with Scotland the underdogs. Seems reasonable.

English fans hating the Scots, though...why? Because they don't give you respect or something? Or just because England are dull you have to hate something? It's a bit like if Liverpool fans hated Tranmere Rovers fans. A bit pointless.
It’s not just the England fans who hate the Scots - even those who don’t follow football can’t stand them.
As I've said many times on PH the hatred towards the Scottish from the English dwarfs anything that comes from the Scots. It's always painted as us Scots with the issues.

Everyone hates the Scottish now even those that don't follow football according to an English man? laughlaugh That's some statement.

You guys won. Enjoy it. It's got rather distasteful in here after it was going so well.

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 22 June 23:49

abzmike

8,243 posts

105 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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ddom said:
Could be worse. Could be Scotland.
Could be worse - could think we have a divine right to win the thing.

unident

6,702 posts

50 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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TEKNOPUG said:
Mourinhoball
Nope

Guardiolaball

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/04/w...

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Made it out of the group, which is a bonus.

But I have no clue what Southgate's "tactics" are.

We only ever looked like pressing forwards when Saka, Grealish or Shaw were on the ball. Possibly even Stones, after Henderson came on (who you could see shouting at the back line telling them to push forwards).

Maguire is too slow for me. Mings was better with Stones, but Southgate took the latter off for him?!

Walker was OK, but I always thought Walker's big thing was being able to break up the wing. And he did none of that.

Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.

And the same goes for Kane. He spent half the match in our own half, even when there were three or four other England players further up field. Something is not right with him - undoubtedly a good player when on it, but we cannot carry someone who's not there.

Sterling does more wrong than he does right. Tonight's goal was a good one, but it wasn't made by him at all.

Bellingham, Rashford and Sancho weren't on long enough to find anything out about them. Pointless subs.

Pickford at least didn't look like an accident in waiting most of the time (Walker chesting it to him would have been destined to nutmeg him on another day, and some of his footwork was iffy).

Philips had a great first game, battling and pushing forwards. Has done not very much in the last two. Almost looks like he wants to but daren't.

Playing this way that team will get battered by Germany or Portugal. France likely too. Basically any team that attacks and we'll end up with 10 players in our own 6yd box for most of the game, Kane likely being one of them, hoping the ball comes out and Sterling remembers which way he should be running and what with.

Brief flashes of the game show we can be dangerous. But they were way too brief.

Out in the next round. Italy or Germany to be eventual winners.


GloverMart

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11,773 posts

214 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Murph7355 said:
Made it out of the group, which is a bonus.

But I have no clue what Southgate's "tactics" are.

We only ever looked like pressing forwards when Saka, Grealish or Shaw were on the ball. Possibly even Stones, after Henderson came on (who you could see shouting at the back line telling them to push forwards).

Maguire is too slow for me. Mings was better with Stones, but Southgate took the latter off for him?!

Walker was OK, but I always thought Walker's big thing was being able to break up the wing. And he did none of that.

Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.

And the same goes for Kane. He spent half the match in our own half, even when there were three or four other England players further up field. Something is not right with him - undoubtedly a good player when on it, but we cannot carry someone who's not there.

Sterling does more wrong than he does right. Tonight's goal was a good one, but it wasn't made by him at all.

Bellingham, Rashford and Sancho weren't on long enough to find anything out about them. Pointless subs.

Pickford at least didn't look like an accident in waiting most of the time (Walker chesting it to him would have been destined to nutmeg him on another day, and some of his footwork was iffy).

Philips had a great first game, battling and pushing forwards. Has done not very much in the last two. Almost looks like he wants to but daren't.

Playing this way that team will get battered by Germany or Portugal. France likely too. Basically any team that attacks and we'll end up with 10 players in our own 6yd box for most of the game, Kane likely being one of them, hoping the ball comes out and Sterling remembers which way he should be running and what with.

Brief flashes of the game show we can be dangerous. But they were way too brief.

Out in the next round. Italy or Germany to be eventual winners.
I was in a football clubhouse with two tellies watching the Scotland game but from what I glimpsed, think you're pretty much spot on here. clap

One thing I'd add re Kane. As someone pointed out, it was quite unusual for a manager to declare him as the most important player the team had (ie you don't see Guardiola, Klopp etc do the same, they'd say everyone was important!) but now Southgate has said that, he can't very well drop Kane. If he doesn't want to play him now, they'll have to say there is/was an injury and he won't play but to be honest, I'm sure Kane will start every game we stay in this competition, as sadly will Sterling too.

MiniMan64

16,866 posts

189 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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GloverMart said:
I was in a football clubhouse with two tellies watching the Scotland game but from what I glimpsed, think you're pretty much spot on here. clap

One thing I'd add re Kane. As someone pointed out, it was quite unusual for a manager to declare him as the most important player the team had (ie you don't see Guardiola, Klopp etc do the same, they'd say everyone was important!) but now Southgate has said that, he can't very well drop Kane. If he doesn't want to play him now, they'll have to say there is/was an injury and he won't play but to be honest, I'm sure Kane will start every game we stay in this competition, as sadly will Sterling too.
I can deal with Sterling starting now to be honest, yes he falls over a lot and can’t always finish but he’s the player in form and I believe in that. Kane is clearly not in form and playing him is a waste of a starting berth but he is truly undroppable, thing is I’m not sure any of the other forwards are much better.

Given how England play at the moment and with choices of form-Sterling, Grealish, Saka, Foden is there an argument for playing with no recognised striker and a sort of fluid front three?

smn159

12,448 posts

216 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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abzmike said:
ddom said:
Could be worse. Could be Scotland.
Could be worse - could think we have a divine right to win the thing.
Really? I don't think that anyone on here is suggesting that we're going past the last 16 TBH


TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,946 posts

211 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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smn159 said:
abzmike said:
ddom said:
Could be worse. Could be Scotland.
Could be worse - could think we have a divine right to win the thing.
Really? I don't think that anyone on here is suggesting that we're going past the last 16 TBH
Maybe not on here, but I'm sure somewhere, out there....

Flip Martian

19,505 posts

189 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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jcremonini said:
It’s not just the England fans who hate the Scots - even those who don’t follow football can’t stand them.
That's a really strange and inaccurate thing to say. Your world view must be pretty narrow and bitter.

Flip Martian

19,505 posts

189 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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smn159 said:
abzmike said:
ddom said:
Could be worse. Could be Scotland.
Could be worse - could think we have a divine right to win the thing.
Really? I don't think that anyone on here is suggesting that we're going past the last 16 TBH
More a tabloid press stance really but it is always prevalent when they talk up England (before inevitably slagging off the manager later).

ddom

6,657 posts

47 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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abzmike said:
Could be worse - could think we have a divine right to win the thing.
Nope. You're way off. I think anyone sane knows just how average England are rofl

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Wales will go further than England.

JNW1

7,711 posts

193 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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vonuber said:
Wales will go further than England.
Every chance of that to be honest...

Antony Moxey

8,016 posts

218 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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I'm pretty sure if six weeks ago we were told we'd top the group with seven points without conceding a goal, Scotland would finish bottom, we'd see decent match time (and performances) from Saka, Foden, Grealish and Mount, Sterling would continue his excellent international scoring form (is that now 14 goals in the last 19 games?) and we'd see Henderson and Maguire back after injury we'd all be quite pleased with that.

JmatthewB

912 posts

121 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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I disagree with the comments about England being too negative and not pressing forwards enough and too slow in the build up. Some of our best moments last night came after a spell of possession in our own half and waiting for one of their midfielders to come out then we played it into the vacated space for Grealish or Saka and we're away.

I know it's a bit joyless when we get a corner and it ends up back with our goalkeeper, but that's because the Czech defenders cleared the first phase. It's better to maintain possession after the initial clearance rather than try a 'hollywood' ball, lose possession and leave ourselves vulnerable to a counter-attack.

Playing more direct will just give the opposition more of the ball and we lose control of the game. This exact thing happened in the 2018 semi-final second half, we started to get nervous, abandoned our slow-build up play and started hitting it long, lost the ball and Croatia dominated us.

Edited by JmatthewB on Wednesday 23 June 09:09

RichB

51,433 posts

283 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Murph7355 said:
... Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.
And yet we didn't concede a single goal. He was asked to play defensive midfield sweeping up in front of the back four. Kalvin Philips was allowed the role of pushing forward. At West Ham he and Soucek alternate this with Rice frequently driving the play forward, Southgate clearly asked Rice not to go forward. He seems to get some stick on here but it's hard to criticise the defensive players given the zero goals conceded.

CustardOnChips

1,936 posts

61 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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JmatthewB said:
I disagree with the comments about England being too negative and not pressing forwards enough and too slow in the build up. Some of our best moments last night came after a spell of possession in our own half and waiting for one of their midfielders to come out then we played it into the vacated space for Grealish or Saka and we're away.

I know it's a bit joyless when we get a corner and it ends up back with our goalkeeper, but that's because the Czech defenders cleared the first phase. It's better to maintain possession after the initial clearance rather than try a 'hollywood' ball, lose possession and leave ourselves vulnerable to a counter-attack.

Playing more direct will just give the opposition more of the ball and we lose control of the game. This exact thing happened in the 2018 semi-final second half, we started to get nervous, abandoned our slow-build up play and started hitting it long, lost the ball and Croatia dominated us.

Edited by JmatthewB on Wednesday 23 June 09:09
Spot on.

It will be a different proposition against a team who will come at us. There will be a lot more space to play in in the final 3rd