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jcremonini said:
Flip Martian said:
RichB said:
ChocolateFrog said:
The bitterness in the rivalry works both ways.
English fans hating the Scots, though...why? Because they don't give you respect or something? Or just because England are dull you have to hate something? It's a bit like if Liverpool fans hated Tranmere Rovers fans. A bit pointless.
Everyone hates the Scottish now even those that don't follow football according to an English man? That's some statement.
You guys won. Enjoy it. It's got rather distasteful in here after it was going so well.
Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 22 June 23:49
Made it out of the group, which is a bonus.
But I have no clue what Southgate's "tactics" are.
We only ever looked like pressing forwards when Saka, Grealish or Shaw were on the ball. Possibly even Stones, after Henderson came on (who you could see shouting at the back line telling them to push forwards).
Maguire is too slow for me. Mings was better with Stones, but Southgate took the latter off for him?!
Walker was OK, but I always thought Walker's big thing was being able to break up the wing. And he did none of that.
Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.
And the same goes for Kane. He spent half the match in our own half, even when there were three or four other England players further up field. Something is not right with him - undoubtedly a good player when on it, but we cannot carry someone who's not there.
Sterling does more wrong than he does right. Tonight's goal was a good one, but it wasn't made by him at all.
Bellingham, Rashford and Sancho weren't on long enough to find anything out about them. Pointless subs.
Pickford at least didn't look like an accident in waiting most of the time (Walker chesting it to him would have been destined to nutmeg him on another day, and some of his footwork was iffy).
Philips had a great first game, battling and pushing forwards. Has done not very much in the last two. Almost looks like he wants to but daren't.
Playing this way that team will get battered by Germany or Portugal. France likely too. Basically any team that attacks and we'll end up with 10 players in our own 6yd box for most of the game, Kane likely being one of them, hoping the ball comes out and Sterling remembers which way he should be running and what with.
Brief flashes of the game show we can be dangerous. But they were way too brief.
Out in the next round. Italy or Germany to be eventual winners.
But I have no clue what Southgate's "tactics" are.
We only ever looked like pressing forwards when Saka, Grealish or Shaw were on the ball. Possibly even Stones, after Henderson came on (who you could see shouting at the back line telling them to push forwards).
Maguire is too slow for me. Mings was better with Stones, but Southgate took the latter off for him?!
Walker was OK, but I always thought Walker's big thing was being able to break up the wing. And he did none of that.
Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.
And the same goes for Kane. He spent half the match in our own half, even when there were three or four other England players further up field. Something is not right with him - undoubtedly a good player when on it, but we cannot carry someone who's not there.
Sterling does more wrong than he does right. Tonight's goal was a good one, but it wasn't made by him at all.
Bellingham, Rashford and Sancho weren't on long enough to find anything out about them. Pointless subs.
Pickford at least didn't look like an accident in waiting most of the time (Walker chesting it to him would have been destined to nutmeg him on another day, and some of his footwork was iffy).
Philips had a great first game, battling and pushing forwards. Has done not very much in the last two. Almost looks like he wants to but daren't.
Playing this way that team will get battered by Germany or Portugal. France likely too. Basically any team that attacks and we'll end up with 10 players in our own 6yd box for most of the game, Kane likely being one of them, hoping the ball comes out and Sterling remembers which way he should be running and what with.
Brief flashes of the game show we can be dangerous. But they were way too brief.
Out in the next round. Italy or Germany to be eventual winners.
Murph7355 said:
Made it out of the group, which is a bonus.
But I have no clue what Southgate's "tactics" are.
We only ever looked like pressing forwards when Saka, Grealish or Shaw were on the ball. Possibly even Stones, after Henderson came on (who you could see shouting at the back line telling them to push forwards).
Maguire is too slow for me. Mings was better with Stones, but Southgate took the latter off for him?!
Walker was OK, but I always thought Walker's big thing was being able to break up the wing. And he did none of that.
Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.
And the same goes for Kane. He spent half the match in our own half, even when there were three or four other England players further up field. Something is not right with him - undoubtedly a good player when on it, but we cannot carry someone who's not there.
Sterling does more wrong than he does right. Tonight's goal was a good one, but it wasn't made by him at all.
Bellingham, Rashford and Sancho weren't on long enough to find anything out about them. Pointless subs.
Pickford at least didn't look like an accident in waiting most of the time (Walker chesting it to him would have been destined to nutmeg him on another day, and some of his footwork was iffy).
Philips had a great first game, battling and pushing forwards. Has done not very much in the last two. Almost looks like he wants to but daren't.
Playing this way that team will get battered by Germany or Portugal. France likely too. Basically any team that attacks and we'll end up with 10 players in our own 6yd box for most of the game, Kane likely being one of them, hoping the ball comes out and Sterling remembers which way he should be running and what with.
Brief flashes of the game show we can be dangerous. But they were way too brief.
Out in the next round. Italy or Germany to be eventual winners.
I was in a football clubhouse with two tellies watching the Scotland game but from what I glimpsed, think you're pretty much spot on here. But I have no clue what Southgate's "tactics" are.
We only ever looked like pressing forwards when Saka, Grealish or Shaw were on the ball. Possibly even Stones, after Henderson came on (who you could see shouting at the back line telling them to push forwards).
Maguire is too slow for me. Mings was better with Stones, but Southgate took the latter off for him?!
Walker was OK, but I always thought Walker's big thing was being able to break up the wing. And he did none of that.
Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.
And the same goes for Kane. He spent half the match in our own half, even when there were three or four other England players further up field. Something is not right with him - undoubtedly a good player when on it, but we cannot carry someone who's not there.
Sterling does more wrong than he does right. Tonight's goal was a good one, but it wasn't made by him at all.
Bellingham, Rashford and Sancho weren't on long enough to find anything out about them. Pointless subs.
Pickford at least didn't look like an accident in waiting most of the time (Walker chesting it to him would have been destined to nutmeg him on another day, and some of his footwork was iffy).
Philips had a great first game, battling and pushing forwards. Has done not very much in the last two. Almost looks like he wants to but daren't.
Playing this way that team will get battered by Germany or Portugal. France likely too. Basically any team that attacks and we'll end up with 10 players in our own 6yd box for most of the game, Kane likely being one of them, hoping the ball comes out and Sterling remembers which way he should be running and what with.
Brief flashes of the game show we can be dangerous. But they were way too brief.
Out in the next round. Italy or Germany to be eventual winners.
One thing I'd add re Kane. As someone pointed out, it was quite unusual for a manager to declare him as the most important player the team had (ie you don't see Guardiola, Klopp etc do the same, they'd say everyone was important!) but now Southgate has said that, he can't very well drop Kane. If he doesn't want to play him now, they'll have to say there is/was an injury and he won't play but to be honest, I'm sure Kane will start every game we stay in this competition, as sadly will Sterling too.
GloverMart said:
I was in a football clubhouse with two tellies watching the Scotland game but from what I glimpsed, think you're pretty much spot on here.
One thing I'd add re Kane. As someone pointed out, it was quite unusual for a manager to declare him as the most important player the team had (ie you don't see Guardiola, Klopp etc do the same, they'd say everyone was important!) but now Southgate has said that, he can't very well drop Kane. If he doesn't want to play him now, they'll have to say there is/was an injury and he won't play but to be honest, I'm sure Kane will start every game we stay in this competition, as sadly will Sterling too.
I can deal with Sterling starting now to be honest, yes he falls over a lot and can’t always finish but he’s the player in form and I believe in that. Kane is clearly not in form and playing him is a waste of a starting berth but he is truly undroppable, thing is I’m not sure any of the other forwards are much better.One thing I'd add re Kane. As someone pointed out, it was quite unusual for a manager to declare him as the most important player the team had (ie you don't see Guardiola, Klopp etc do the same, they'd say everyone was important!) but now Southgate has said that, he can't very well drop Kane. If he doesn't want to play him now, they'll have to say there is/was an injury and he won't play but to be honest, I'm sure Kane will start every game we stay in this competition, as sadly will Sterling too.
Given how England play at the moment and with choices of form-Sterling, Grealish, Saka, Foden is there an argument for playing with no recognised striker and a sort of fluid front three?
smn159 said:
abzmike said:
ddom said:
Could be worse. Could be Scotland.
Could be worse - could think we have a divine right to win the thing.smn159 said:
abzmike said:
ddom said:
Could be worse. Could be Scotland.
Could be worse - could think we have a divine right to win the thing.I'm pretty sure if six weeks ago we were told we'd top the group with seven points without conceding a goal, Scotland would finish bottom, we'd see decent match time (and performances) from Saka, Foden, Grealish and Mount, Sterling would continue his excellent international scoring form (is that now 14 goals in the last 19 games?) and we'd see Henderson and Maguire back after injury we'd all be quite pleased with that.
I disagree with the comments about England being too negative and not pressing forwards enough and too slow in the build up. Some of our best moments last night came after a spell of possession in our own half and waiting for one of their midfielders to come out then we played it into the vacated space for Grealish or Saka and we're away.
I know it's a bit joyless when we get a corner and it ends up back with our goalkeeper, but that's because the Czech defenders cleared the first phase. It's better to maintain possession after the initial clearance rather than try a 'hollywood' ball, lose possession and leave ourselves vulnerable to a counter-attack.
Playing more direct will just give the opposition more of the ball and we lose control of the game. This exact thing happened in the 2018 semi-final second half, we started to get nervous, abandoned our slow-build up play and started hitting it long, lost the ball and Croatia dominated us.
I know it's a bit joyless when we get a corner and it ends up back with our goalkeeper, but that's because the Czech defenders cleared the first phase. It's better to maintain possession after the initial clearance rather than try a 'hollywood' ball, lose possession and leave ourselves vulnerable to a counter-attack.
Playing more direct will just give the opposition more of the ball and we lose control of the game. This exact thing happened in the 2018 semi-final second half, we started to get nervous, abandoned our slow-build up play and started hitting it long, lost the ball and Croatia dominated us.
Edited by JmatthewB on Wednesday 23 June 09:09
Murph7355 said:
... Rice was a complete waste of a player. We may as well have played with 10 as have him on the pitch.
And yet we didn't concede a single goal. He was asked to play defensive midfield sweeping up in front of the back four. Kalvin Philips was allowed the role of pushing forward. At West Ham he and Soucek alternate this with Rice frequently driving the play forward, Southgate clearly asked Rice not to go forward. He seems to get some stick on here but it's hard to criticise the defensive players given the zero goals conceded. JmatthewB said:
I disagree with the comments about England being too negative and not pressing forwards enough and too slow in the build up. Some of our best moments last night came after a spell of possession in our own half and waiting for one of their midfielders to come out then we played it into the vacated space for Grealish or Saka and we're away.
I know it's a bit joyless when we get a corner and it ends up back with our goalkeeper, but that's because the Czech defenders cleared the first phase. It's better to maintain possession after the initial clearance rather than try a 'hollywood' ball, lose possession and leave ourselves vulnerable to a counter-attack.
Playing more direct will just give the opposition more of the ball and we lose control of the game. This exact thing happened in the 2018 semi-final second half, we started to get nervous, abandoned our slow-build up play and started hitting it long, lost the ball and Croatia dominated us.
Spot on. I know it's a bit joyless when we get a corner and it ends up back with our goalkeeper, but that's because the Czech defenders cleared the first phase. It's better to maintain possession after the initial clearance rather than try a 'hollywood' ball, lose possession and leave ourselves vulnerable to a counter-attack.
Playing more direct will just give the opposition more of the ball and we lose control of the game. This exact thing happened in the 2018 semi-final second half, we started to get nervous, abandoned our slow-build up play and started hitting it long, lost the ball and Croatia dominated us.
Edited by JmatthewB on Wednesday 23 June 09:09
It will be a different proposition against a team who will come at us. There will be a lot more space to play in in the final 3rd
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