CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 13)
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t continues! V88Dicky said:
alangla said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57570939 - seems the plan is for masks on public transport, shops & schools beyond the headline lifting of "all" restrictions, which has itself been put back to August 9th.
So first we've got the dystopian "near normal" tier zero, which is anything but & has been delayed for all except the Northern & Western isles- https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covi...
Then the "lifting of all restrictions" on August 9th which includes the retention of masks & potentially other things.
When do we actually get "normal" ? Never?
When Tier zero was first unveiled last year & described as "near normal" I said at the time it was anything but. There appears to be no plan for actually getting things back to real normal in Scotland, e.g. I've no idea when I'll next be able to pack into a pub & listen to a crap karaoke singer on a Saturday night. When things like that come back & I've no need to put on a mask to use the toilet or be asked for my name & phone number then it'll be normal.
Come down to my local, there’s one on tonight after the England game So first we've got the dystopian "near normal" tier zero, which is anything but & has been delayed for all except the Northern & Western isles- https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covi...
Then the "lifting of all restrictions" on August 9th which includes the retention of masks & potentially other things.
When do we actually get "normal" ? Never?
When Tier zero was first unveiled last year & described as "near normal" I said at the time it was anything but. There appears to be no plan for actually getting things back to real normal in Scotland, e.g. I've no idea when I'll next be able to pack into a pub & listen to a crap karaoke singer on a Saturday night. When things like that come back & I've no need to put on a mask to use the toilet or be asked for my name & phone number then it'll be normal.
TameRacingDriver said:
How many volumes will this thread get up to? I wouldn't bet against it hitting 3 figures at this stage. Meanwhile the rest of the world will be back to normal and we'll be making trade deals with NK.
If everyone did their part and got vaccinated we'd be back to normal by the end of the month 
g4ry13 said:
TameRacingDriver said:
How many volumes will this thread get up to? I wouldn't bet against it hitting 3 figures at this stage. Meanwhile the rest of the world will be back to normal and we'll be making trade deals with NK.
If everyone did their part and got vaccinated we'd be back to normal by the end of the month 
TameRacingDriver said:
How many volumes will this thread get up to? I wouldn't bet against it hitting 3 figures at this stage. Meanwhile the rest of the world will be back to normal and we'll be making trade deals with NK.
I suspect a lot more when lots of other people start to feel the pain and reality of what we have done. Do you honestly think it's just all going to just go back to normal?
My bet if the question, is the cure worse than the disease? is asked again in 5 years time the answer will be very different for a hell of a lot more people.
foreright said:
g4ry13 said:
TameRacingDriver said:
How many volumes will this thread get up to? I wouldn't bet against it hitting 3 figures at this stage. Meanwhile the rest of the world will be back to normal and we'll be making trade deals with NK.
If everyone did their part and got vaccinated we'd be back to normal by the end of the month This was posted by someone in the last volume - https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-might-...
Sorry, I can't quote it.
I was going to say that hasn't Israel been the ultimate vaccination poster boy? They have vaccinated a shed load of their population.
I recall seeing something about the vaccines awakening older viruses that the body has already dealt with. Could this be linked to that? Or is this fallout from the vaccine ingredients in the body meeting other viruses? I'm sure that some of the old mrna testing on animals resulted in their bodies overreacting to viruses.
Or did Israel do lockdown, resulting in people missing out on topping up their immune systems?
And no, not a conspiracy theory, a genuine query.
Sorry, I can't quote it.
I was going to say that hasn't Israel been the ultimate vaccination poster boy? They have vaccinated a shed load of their population.
I recall seeing something about the vaccines awakening older viruses that the body has already dealt with. Could this be linked to that? Or is this fallout from the vaccine ingredients in the body meeting other viruses? I'm sure that some of the old mrna testing on animals resulted in their bodies overreacting to viruses.
Or did Israel do lockdown, resulting in people missing out on topping up their immune systems?
And no, not a conspiracy theory, a genuine query.
https://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/fears-over-fl...
As I have said all along, lockdowns will be used for much more than covid.
The NHS has really turned into something sinister. We won't be able to do anything soon because we might need to use it. I can't believe this is happening now. There is no way back.
I saw the dark side of the NHS last year when my GP couldn't be bothered seeing me. It's gone full on now. They don't want anyone using it anymore.
article said:
"Andy Fox, deputy director of public health at Lincolnshire County Council said there were concerns that “we didn’t have a flu season, essentially, last year, simply because of self-isolation.”
“The concern that some researchers and scientists have is that this means there’ll be less immunity in the population this winter and as people will be mixing we might see a significant and high rise in flu and we might get a sort of a flu epidemic.”
“So a lockdown could potentially make sense if we are in a situation where we’re very concerned not just about covid but about other respiratory viruses circulating.”
How can people simply sit back and accept this?“The concern that some researchers and scientists have is that this means there’ll be less immunity in the population this winter and as people will be mixing we might see a significant and high rise in flu and we might get a sort of a flu epidemic.”
“So a lockdown could potentially make sense if we are in a situation where we’re very concerned not just about covid but about other respiratory viruses circulating.”
As I have said all along, lockdowns will be used for much more than covid.
The NHS has really turned into something sinister. We won't be able to do anything soon because we might need to use it. I can't believe this is happening now. There is no way back.
I saw the dark side of the NHS last year when my GP couldn't be bothered seeing me. It's gone full on now. They don't want anyone using it anymore.
NewBod said:
This was posted by someone in the last volume - https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-might-...
Sorry, I can't quote it.
I was going to say that hasn't Israel been the ultimate vaccination poster boy? They have vaccinated a shed load of their population.
I recall seeing something about the vaccines awakening older viruses that the body has already dealt with. Could this be linked to that? Or is this fallout from the vaccine ingredients in the body meeting other viruses? I'm sure that some of the old mrna testing on animals resulted in their bodies overreacting to viruses.
Or did Israel do lockdown, resulting in people missing out on topping up their immune systems?
And no, not a conspiracy theory, a genuine query.
This is the problem NewBod, nobody actually knows. At best it seems all, er, best guesses and assumptions, even from the most astute virologists and immunologists.Sorry, I can't quote it.
I was going to say that hasn't Israel been the ultimate vaccination poster boy? They have vaccinated a shed load of their population.
I recall seeing something about the vaccines awakening older viruses that the body has already dealt with. Could this be linked to that? Or is this fallout from the vaccine ingredients in the body meeting other viruses? I'm sure that some of the old mrna testing on animals resulted in their bodies overreacting to viruses.
Or did Israel do lockdown, resulting in people missing out on topping up their immune systems?
And no, not a conspiracy theory, a genuine query.
This is why I’m glad to question everything, and more than prepared to wait it out.
V88Dicky said:
NewBod said:
This was posted by someone in the last volume - https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-might-...
Sorry, I can't quote it.
I was going to say that hasn't Israel been the ultimate vaccination poster boy? They have vaccinated a shed load of their population.
I recall seeing something about the vaccines awakening older viruses that the body has already dealt with. Could this be linked to that? Or is this fallout from the vaccine ingredients in the body meeting other viruses? I'm sure that some of the old mrna testing on animals resulted in their bodies overreacting to viruses.
Or did Israel do lockdown, resulting in people missing out on topping up their immune systems?
And no, not a conspiracy theory, a genuine query.
This is the problem NewBod, nobody actually knows. At best it seems all, er, best guesses and assumptions, even from the most astute virologists and immunologists.Sorry, I can't quote it.
I was going to say that hasn't Israel been the ultimate vaccination poster boy? They have vaccinated a shed load of their population.
I recall seeing something about the vaccines awakening older viruses that the body has already dealt with. Could this be linked to that? Or is this fallout from the vaccine ingredients in the body meeting other viruses? I'm sure that some of the old mrna testing on animals resulted in their bodies overreacting to viruses.
Or did Israel do lockdown, resulting in people missing out on topping up their immune systems?
And no, not a conspiracy theory, a genuine query.
This is why I’m glad to question everything, and more than prepared to wait it out.
TameRacingDriver said:
How many volumes will this thread get up to? I wouldn't bet against it hitting 3 figures at this stage. Meanwhile the rest of the world will be back to normal and we'll be making trade deals with NK.
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