The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]

The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]

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VTC

2,196 posts

196 months

Sunday 16th March
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M138 said:
Why didn’t he just stick his best eleven on from the start?
STOP PRESS
"he is a useless fraud"

M138

302 posts

3 months

Sunday 16th March
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VTC said:
M138 said:
Why didn’t he just stick his best eleven on from the start?
STOP PRESS
"he is a useless fraud"
All managers are guilty of it at some point but after the league form from Spurs with him at the helm he’s not really in a position of pulling them stunts, also how about the fans who’ve shelled out for a ticket.

VTC

2,196 posts

196 months

Sunday 16th March
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We may limp past EF ( i am kidding myself)
but we get trashed in those games we may get what we have been wishing for.
Gormless is what I see when I see him on the TV.
Sess could not even get fit enough to play at spurs years of wages and medical bills.
he looked like neymar (briefly)
there were no redeeming factors today not a single one.

48k

14,743 posts

160 months

Sunday 16th March
quotequote all
M138 said:
VTC said:
M138 said:
Why didn’t he just stick his best eleven on from the start?
STOP PRESS
"he is a useless fraud"
All managers are guilty of it at some point but after the league form from Spurs with him at the helm he’s not really in a position of pulling them stunts, also how about the fans who’ve shelled out for a ticket.
£30 for away fans, fixed price like the rest of the league.
Do we pay more when we win? No.
The price is the price.
You support the team whatever.

Guvernator

13,636 posts

177 months

Sunday 16th March
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I found it funny that he got uppity with journalists who questioned his provenance in the pre-match pressor, forgetting of course that he was literally plucked from relative obscurity and like some kid whose won a prize, has been propelled into a top job for which he isn't remotely qualified.

No other top team would have hired Ange and he will no doubt, disappear back into obscurity as soon as his tenure at Spurs is over.

He can talk about being a professional coach all he wants but if I as an armchair enthusiast, can see the blatant flaws in his tactics, the lack of cohesiveness in our defence and the fact that most of the players have regressed this season, then there is something obviously wrong.

He needs to go ASAP, the sooner we get someone in who knows what they are doing, the sooner we can start to repair the damage he has done.

M138

302 posts

3 months

Sunday 16th March
quotequote all
48k said:
M138 said:
VTC said:
M138 said:
Why didn’t he just stick his best eleven on from the start?
STOP PRESS
"he is a useless fraud"
All managers are guilty of it at some point but after the league form from Spurs with him at the helm he’s not really in a position of pulling them stunts, also how about the fans who’ve shelled out for a ticket.
£30 for away fans, fixed price like the rest of the league.
Do we pay more when we win? No.
The price is the price.
You support the team whatever.
I couldn’t give a monkey’s if it’s thirty Bob, if I’m not gonna see my team put in the best performance available I ain’t gonna waste my time and money.
‘You support the team whatever’ is exactly why Levy has got away with it so long.

48k

14,743 posts

160 months

Sunday 16th March
quotequote all
M138 said:
48k said:
M138 said:
VTC said:
M138 said:
Why didn’t he just stick his best eleven on from the start?
STOP PRESS
"he is a useless fraud"
All managers are guilty of it at some point but after the league form from Spurs with him at the helm he’s not really in a position of pulling them stunts, also how about the fans who’ve shelled out for a ticket.
£30 for away fans, fixed price like the rest of the league.
Do we pay more when we win? No.
The price is the price.
You support the team whatever.
I couldn’t give a monkey’s if it’s thirty Bob, if I’m not gonna see my team put in the best performance available I ain’t gonna waste my time and money.
‘You support the team whatever’ is exactly why Levy has got away with it so long.
Your posts that I responded to criticised Ange for not playing the best 11 players.
Now you've changed your argument to the players not putting in a performance.
Difficult to have a reasonable discussion about it when the subject of the discussion keeps changing.
So.. I'm out.

Guvernator

13,636 posts

177 months

Sunday 16th March
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M138 said:
‘You support the team whatever’ is exactly why Levy has got away with it so long.
Have to agree with this, I'll always be a Spurs fan but never understood this logic. If the club and\or the manager are getting it wrong to the point where you don't even enjoy watching it, it's our right to call it out, not shrug our shoulders and say support the team no matter what.

M138

302 posts

3 months

Sunday 16th March
quotequote all
48k said:
M138 said:
48k said:
M138 said:
VTC said:
M138 said:
Why didn’t he just stick his best eleven on from the start?
STOP PRESS
"he is a useless fraud"
All managers are guilty of it at some point but after the league form from Spurs with him at the helm he’s not really in a position of pulling them stunts, also how about the fans who’ve shelled out for a ticket.
£30 for away fans, fixed price like the rest of the league.
Do we pay more when we win? No.
The price is the price.
You support the team whatever.
I couldn’t give a monkey’s if it’s thirty Bob, if I’m not gonna see my team put in the best performance available I ain’t gonna waste my time and money.
‘You support the team whatever’ is exactly why Levy has got away with it so long.
Your posts that I responded to criticised Ange for not playing the best 11 players.
Now you've changed your argument to the players not putting in a performance.
Difficult to have a reasonable discussion about it when the subject of the discussion keeps changing.
So.. I'm out.
He didn’t play the best 11 players from the start, simple as that.

Guvernator

13,636 posts

177 months

Sunday 16th March
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Whose our best 11 players? I didn't see much wrong with the line-up. Only Tel and Davies are not first 11 regulars. Vic, Spence, Romero, Udogie, Bentancur, Gray, Bissouma, Johnson and Solanke are all regular, first 11 players.

Is this going to be the latest excuse now? That if we change two players, we are not playing our strongest team in the league games and we turn to crap? Jesus Christ the excuses just don't stop.

dmulally

6,299 posts

192 months

Monday 17th March
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Guvernator said:
Whose our best 11 players?
I can tell you our worst 11 players pretty quickly.

Guvernator

13,636 posts

177 months

Monday 17th March
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dmulally said:
I can tell you our worst 11 players pretty quickly.
hehe

Joeywinkle

265 posts

31 months

Monday 17th March
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Ange has said that he told the players not to prioritise the Europa League.

- Made 7 changes to the side that actually last won a game (showing priority to the Europa League?!) the week before going into an international break.
- Made a load of attacking subs, yet decided that taking off the only CB we had on the pitch and moving an 18 year old CM into CB again (because that has been great on so many occasions this season) was how we would win the game. Shockingly, both goals game from situations where the CB should be doing better.
- Arguing with fans again, as if we should all be grateful for this absolute slop he continues to serve up every single week.

There are no excuses now, all season long he's bemoaned injuries, which for sure is a mitigating circumstance but he has virtually a fully fit squad, bar kulusevski to play with and guess what - we're still losing games hand over fist!

You're not unlucky mate, you're just ste.

Trash_panda

7,645 posts

216 months

Monday 17th March
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Spurs always perform badly after a mid week Europe game, if stato was still here he could show it but it happened during pochs tenure as well.


But yes, he needs to go though I guess, we could just be deluded as fans

Byker28i

71,907 posts

229 months

Monday 17th March
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dmulally

6,299 posts

192 months

Monday 17th March
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Trash_panda said:
Spurs always perform badly after a mid week Europe game, if stato was still here he could show it but it happened during pochs tenure as well.


But yes, he needs to go though I guess, we could just be deluded as fans
We have lost the last 6 games before an international break which is always entertaining.

TEKNOPUG

19,632 posts

217 months

Tuesday 18th March
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Well I guess whoever is manager next season probably won't have to play a dozen midweek Thursday to Sunday matches. So the league results will inevitably improve and we'll probably get a Conference place. Until the following season when Levy under-invests in the squad and the wheels fall off. Again.

Rinse and repeat.

Guvernator

13,636 posts

177 months

Tuesday 18th March
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TEKNOPUG]Well I guess whoever is manager next season probably [b said:
won't have to play a dozen midweek Thursday to Sunday matches.[\b] So the league results will inevitably improve and we'll probably get a Conference place. Until the following season when Levy under-invests in the squad and the wheels fall off. Again.

Rinse and repeat.
What you mean like every other team in the top 7. Some of them even have to play in the CL against proper teams so have to put out full strength squads.

And the Ange excuses just keep coming.

TEKNOPUG

19,632 posts

217 months

Tuesday 18th March
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Guvernator said:
TEKNOPUG]Well I guess whoever is manager next season probably [b said:
won't have to play a dozen midweek Thursday to Sunday matches.[\b] So the league results will inevitably improve and we'll probably get a Conference place. Until the following season when Levy under-invests in the squad and the wheels fall off. Again.

Rinse and repeat.
What you mean like every other team in the top 7. Some of them even have to play in the CL against proper teams so have to put out full strength squads.

And the Ange excuses just keep coming.
By the top 7 teams you mean, Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, United and Villa? All teams that spend massively more in real-terms or as a proportion of wages than we do? Although Villa are currently 9th (from 5th last season) and United are a basket-case.

It's not an Ange excuse, it's a Levy accusation.

Or do we think that Forest/Newcastle/Brighton will all be finishing top 6 again next season, whilst also competing in Europe?

Guvernator

13,636 posts

177 months

Tuesday 18th March
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TEKNOPUG said:
By the top 7 teams you mean, Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, United and Villa? All teams that spend massively more in real-terms or as a proportion of wages than we do? Although Villa are currently 9th (from 5th last season) and United are a basket-case.

It's not an Ange excuse, it's a Levy accusation.

Or do we think that Forest/Newcastle/Brighton will all be finishing top 6 again next season, whilst also competing in Europe?
I'd like to think that they'd all be there or thereabouts because they don't have basket case managers.

During the Poch era when Levy was still in charge, we had consecutive top 6 finishes while also competing in the CL so it is possible IF you have the right manager.