The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 11)

[anonymous-user]

So apparently he used to regularly play a 4-2-2-2

Rear 2 mids are there to cover the defence, close down or drop back in if the defence or FB's have gone forwards

Next 2 are to link up and play the passes/make the runs for the fwds

Fred and DvB for the Rear 2 playing into Sancho and Bruno?

I could see Rash being a good closer in the FWD position and Mason and Cav (dunno about Ronnie)

Can McSauce be coached into a good presser?

I do think Jesse would be ideal for one of those front 2 positions when Bruno or Sancho need a rest

[GTO-3R]

anonymous said:

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McT is certainly fit enough to play his system and hopefully talented enough to improve further. He’s a good asset to the team like Darren Fletcher was imo.

[franki68]

GTO-3R said:

McT is certainly fit enough to play his system and hopefully talented enough to improve further. He’s a good asset to the team like Darren Fletcher was imo.

a squad player at best imo,and watch him closely next game when we lose the ball he jogs back..no sprint .He has a good game in him once every 10 or 20 games.

[unident]

57Ford said:

Roofless Toothless said:

From a Hammer, do you guys think he will play Jesse?

(Just asking … ).

Fraid so, he’s perfect for the energetic pressing game discussed in that youtube clip.

Pretty certain Limgard is off in the summer so no point playing him. Greenwood needs to be used and he seems to have been forgotten in all the formations and sides mentioned so far.

[Gone a bit AMG]

GTO-3R said:

anonymous said:

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McT is certainly fit enough to play his system and hopefully talented enough to improve further. He’s a good asset to the team like Darren Fletcher was imo.

It’s a significant change. A long over due one.

I think McSauce has been overplayed and is carrying an injury like Rashford last season.

[Pommy]

GTO-3R said:

unident said:

Music to my ears. Very much what I’ve been asking for us to be doing, but obviously he see,s to know how to coach it in and clearly has a style of play. Think Maguire is going to struggle to play in that style, as well as Pogba. Midfield has a big job on their hands too. A very big job. The idea of pressing high and quick will be tough for them given they’ve l,ahead at a snails pace with sideways passes for so long. I’m guessing we won’t see Static Matic in a red shirt again

Yeah he's got an amazing football brain and won't take any st either! I agree that Pogba and Matic will struggle with his style. I honesty think Fred will massively benefit though and we're likely going to see a different player than under Ole. As technical players, Sancho, Donny, Greenwood and Bruno are going to excel too imo.

I come in peace.

If he is so amazing, he has a career managerial win ratio of 47%, a few trophies but nothing spectacular.

However, everyone seems to be absolutely estatic about him.

Is there a bit of rose tinted glasses going on?

I wonder if he's like a PE Teacher - great at theory and thinking but the doing part, perhaps not so much.

[anonymous-user]

Pommy said:

I come in peace.

If he is so amazing, he has a career managerial win ratio of 47%, a few trophies but nothing spectacular.

However, everyone seems to be absolutely estatic about him.

Is there a bit of rose tinted glasses going on?

I wonder if he's like a PE Teacher - great at theory and thinking but the doing part, perhaps not so much.

We've not really signed him as a manager, we've signed him to help us get the structure and ethos right at the club from top to bottom, something he has had very decent success at as per my post above

[57Ford]

Pommy said:

I come in peace.

If he is so amazing, he has a career managerial win ratio of 47%, a few trophies but nothing spectacular.

However, everyone seems to be absolutely estatic about him.

Is there a bit of rose tinted glasses going on?

I wonder if he's like a PE Teacher - great at theory and thinking but the doing part, perhaps not so much.

Just from the little I’ve found out about him in the last couple of days he can’t be worse than where we are now. As I said a year ago, Ole’s a great guy but there was no tactical thinking going on.

[Challo]

anonymous said:

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Exactly. While he has been bought in to be the interim work, he has mainly been brought in to sort out the club and put a structure in place. He was responsible for creating RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg teams and promoting them from regional teams in the teams they are today.

I hope there has been some realisation with the board that while the commercial aspects are fine, the playing side of the club has been dreadful. They must be looking across the otherside of Manchester and seeing what City have created and how successfully it can be.

[MiniMan64]

anonymous said:

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I assume therefore there must be some sort of plan to replace him long term next summer with someone cut of the same mold who continue the new philosophy he brings in?

[anonymous-user]

MiniMan64 said:

I assume therefore there must be some sort of plan to replace him long term next summer with someone cut of the same mold who continue the new philosophy he brings in?

Apparently both Poch and ETH would be able to do exactly this, also Nagelsman etc

I think instead of blindly going oooh big name he'll be good, we'll have a more considered opinion on managers, it could see us end up with a Hassenhuthal or Potter etc

[GTO-3R]

anonymous said:

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It's good to see the club (hopefully) looking long term with a plan for once. I read this morning that Richard Arnold isn't wanting to get as involved in the football side like Woodward is, which leads me to think that Rangnick could be in line to be a DOF with Murtough and Fletcher just below him.

[franki68]

Pommy said:

I come in peace.

If he is so amazing, he has a career managerial win ratio of 47%, a few trophies but nothing spectacular.

However, everyone seems to be absolutely estatic about him.

Is there a bit of rose tinted glasses going on?

I wonder if he's like a PE Teacher - great at theory and thinking but the doing part, perhaps not so much.

That’s a very good win ratio when you look at where he has managed .

[ORD]

I stopped listening to that YouTube clip when he said the fact that 30% of goals come from set pieces means set pieces should take up 30% of training time.

That’s full on David Brent.

[anonymous-user]

— Jurgen Klopp on Ralf Rangnick:

"We usually don't talk about things that are not confirmed, but unfortunately a good coach is coming to Manchester United! He built two proper forces in Germany — he is really experienced. #mufc will be organised." #mujournal

[Challo]

ORD said:

I stopped listening to that YouTube clip when he said the fact that 30% of goals come from set pieces means set pieces should take up 30% of training time.

That’s full on David Brent.

I watched the clip and I know what you mean, but its it true why not work on it 30% of the time?

[likesachange]

Pommy said:

I come in peace.

If he is so amazing, he has a career managerial win ratio of 47%, a few trophies but nothing spectacular.

However, everyone seems to be absolutely estatic about him.

Is there a bit of rose tinted glasses going on?

I wonder if he's like a PE Teacher - great at theory and thinking but the doing part, perhaps not so much.

You have a point and is a concern..

Talks the talk….

But that said 47% win ratio. Doesn’t sound too impressive but it is if the teams he managed/overlooked had a ratio much less prior to his appointment?!

As I’ve said earlier I’m not familiar at all with him but would be very interested in the facts and figures of his career as in how much has he improved the teams he’s been at! And more importantly how quickly!!

[anonymous-user]

There is a good article on The Athletic but I cannot C&P cos it's not allowed, goes into some great detail on the people he knows at the club, people he is bringing in and how he works etc

The 6 months is such a small part of the job he has been brought in to do honestly

[ORD]

Challo said:

ORD said:

I stopped listening to that YouTube clip when he said the fact that 30% of goals come from set pieces means set pieces should take up 30% of training time.

That’s full on David Brent.

I watched the clip and I know what you mean, but its it true why not work on it 30% of the time?

Because the proportion of goals that come from set pieces tells you almost literally nothing about the optimum allocation of time to specific set piece training.

For example, very few goals come from shooting from range, but everyone practices it because (1) it makes you better at shooting generally and (2) the threat of shots from range creates chances.

[57Ford]

ORD said:

Challo said:

ORD said:

I stopped listening to that YouTube clip when he said the fact that 30% of goals come from set pieces means set pieces should take up 30% of training time.

That’s full on David Brent.

I watched the clip and I know what you mean, but its it true why not work on it 30% of the time?

Because the proportion of goals that come from set pieces tells you almost literally nothing about the optimum allocation of time to specific set piece training.

For example, very few goals come from shooting from range, but everyone practices it because (1) it makes you better at shooting generally and (2) the threat of shots from range creates chances.

Yeah…
Rangnick out, Rangnick out…!