The Official Scottish Football Thread (Vol. 2)
Discussion
scoopdydoo said:
SFA considering using specialist VAR operators. Hopefully they mic them up as they are in rugby so there is accountability and no conspiracies over what they are seeing and discussing. And hopefully they'll be taught how to draw parallel lines from the correct body parts.
I posted the link above. That offside decision needs an official explanation. The VAR made a similar error in England(although he missed 1 player rather than setting both lines wrongly) and an apology was given and the VAR official removed from duties.
There was no explanations for many of the other unjustifiable errors either. Down in England they do at least come out and admit when there has been errors made. The SFA just sit silent and watch the mistakes on a weekly basis.
The potential move to use different VAR officials does sound like an admission that it hasn't been working.
I do like the idea of them letting us know how they've come to their decision, but I can't see that happening.
Driver101 said:
scoopdydoo said:
SFA considering using specialist VAR operators. Hopefully they mic them up as they are in rugby so there is accountability and no conspiracies over what they are seeing and discussing. And hopefully they'll be taught how to draw parallel lines from the correct body parts.
I posted the link above. That offside decision needs an official explanation. The VAR made a similar error in England(although he missed 1 player rather than setting both lines wrongly) and an apology was given and the VAR official removed from duties.
There was no explanations for many of the other unjustifiable errors either. Down in England they do at least come out and admit when there has been errors made. The SFA just sit silent and watch the mistakes on a weekly basis.
The potential move to use different VAR officials does sound like an admission that it hasn't been working.
I do like the idea of them letting us know how they've come to their decision, but I can't see that happening.
hotchy said:
Tbh I think the refs are just too biased and that leads to the wrong call. You see it in this thread. A referee born in Scotland will most likely be a fan of either team. A rangers fan somehow will argue until blue in the face that the time colak dived with no touch and somehow got a penalty, that it was 100% a penalty. They are either lying or that biased they cannot see it. Now stick them on ref or var duty. You can see why one team gets better calls. They may well truly believe a handball against there team let's say... 6 handballs in the box rangers are not worthy of a penalty. That's emotion because when any other team does it, its a penalty. That's why outside refs in Scotland are required. We are simply a two team country filled with hatred and bias and that allows calls to be wrong through pure emotion.
You might have a point hotchy, however the whole issue here is Celtic fans screaming from the high heavens that they are victims of a conspiracy. Steve Conroy said he was a Dumbarton fan during his career, retired then revealed he was a Celtic fan so the whole notion that Celtic are hard done by and that refs are masons is false. They have had quite a few contentious decisions that are skimmed over here while every rangers incident is forensically analysed. You only need to look at the last few pages that people are so blinded by hatred they can’t admit they were wrong even when presented with photographic evidence.I think your trying to be reasonable in your overall point but the examples you gave are all one-sided, if you really wanted to be fair in what your saying you could have gave examples in both sides other wise and I don’t mean to be disrespectful why the hell should anyone from a rangers supporting perspective listen to you?
The truth is referees are part time here when they should be full time and VAR is still in its infancy. It’s not a good setup
Only need to look a the now deleted post previous to mine for an example of hatred, I’ll let you guess what team they support.
scoopdydoo said:
SFA considering using specialist VAR operators. Hopefully they mic them up as they are in rugby so there is accountability and no conspiracies over what they are seeing and discussing. And hopefully they'll be taught how to draw parallel lines from the correct body parts.
This 100%.Scottish football is losing so much credibility and brand damage because of VAR errors, delays with decisions made and, let's be honest, bias towards certain clubs.
dalzo said:
hotchy said:
Tbh I think the refs are just too biased and that leads to the wrong call. You see it in this thread. A referee born in Scotland will most likely be a fan of either team. A rangers fan somehow will argue until blue in the face that the time colak dived with no touch and somehow got a penalty, that it was 100% a penalty. They are either lying or that biased they cannot see it. Now stick them on ref or var duty. You can see why one team gets better calls. They may well truly believe a handball against there team let's say... 6 handballs in the box rangers are not worthy of a penalty. That's emotion because when any other team does it, its a penalty. That's why outside refs in Scotland are required. We are simply a two team country filled with hatred and bias and that allows calls to be wrong through pure emotion.
You might have a point hotchy, however the whole issue here is Celtic fans screaming from the high heavens that they are victims of a conspiracy. Steve Conroy said he was a Dumbarton fan during his career, retired then revealed he was a Celtic fan so the whole notion that Celtic are hard done by and that refs are masons is false. They have had quite a few contentious decisions that are skimmed over here while every rangers incident is forensically analysed. You only need to look at the last few pages that people are so blinded by hatred they can’t admit they were wrong even when presented with photographic evidence.I think your trying to be reasonable in your overall point but the examples you gave are all one-sided, if you really wanted to be fair in what your saying you could have gave examples in both sides other wise and I don’t mean to be disrespectful why the hell should anyone from a rangers supporting perspective listen to you?
The truth is referees are part time here when they should be full time and VAR is still in its infancy. It’s not a good setup
Only need to look a the now deleted post previous to mine for an example of hatred, I’ll let you guess what team they support.
Ofcourse our refs are part time so are utter rubbish anyway and that doesn't help. A terrible ref coupled with inbred bias can mean wrong calls both sides.
Skyedriver said:
Was listening on the radio on the way home, sounded like the second half was poor until McTominy came on.
It wasn't great in the first half either. A few good moves, but overall lacking. The wrong team for a game we should be dominating. Second half went flat and the crowd got tense. There was a few last ditch tackles and a couple of cynical fouls to stop play. Not what I'd expect playing Cyprus.
McTominay's first goal was quality. Much to do with Christie's determination and cross, then Dykes layoff.
I can’t believe i’d ever slate scotland winning 3-0 but that was rubbish, dreadful game!!!
the score line definitely flatters, but the middle 60mins was just nothing. we weren’t really threatened, but we also didn’t attack, just 60mins of meh in the middle of the park.
but in all the noise of people saying- should clarke have had a contract extension……. I weirdly think this answers the question. yeah we didn’t exactly play exciting football, but we won 3-0, yeah we might not have look great/ exciting, but we got the result and that’s kind of all that matters.
the score line definitely flatters, but the middle 60mins was just nothing. we weren’t really threatened, but we also didn’t attack, just 60mins of meh in the middle of the park.
but in all the noise of people saying- should clarke have had a contract extension……. I weirdly think this answers the question. yeah we didn’t exactly play exciting football, but we won 3-0, yeah we might not have look great/ exciting, but we got the result and that’s kind of all that matters.
It's a balance isn't it. You want to be entertained BUT you want a win too, at all costs.
If I may come in on the handball incidents, and I don't actually know any of those of which you speak above, I believe "handball" should be a deliberate attempt to divert the ball ie Maradona style, rather than the inadvertent "ball hit's arm while player is trying to keep balance". If I may use the Kane penalty against Italy, I don't believe that was a deliberate handball but they get the penalty.
Moving on....
If I may come in on the handball incidents, and I don't actually know any of those of which you speak above, I believe "handball" should be a deliberate attempt to divert the ball ie Maradona style, rather than the inadvertent "ball hit's arm while player is trying to keep balance". If I may use the Kane penalty against Italy, I don't believe that was a deliberate handball but they get the penalty.
Moving on....
By modern VAR standards that is a penalty. The defender had his arm out too long. It may have impacted Kane's ability to take the ball down.
I think the EPL has been dealing with handballs better. In Europe, international games and Scottish football just about any ball to hand contact results in a penalty. Some of the decisions have been ridiculous. As bad as some of the decisions have been the bigger annoyance is the handball in St Johnstone v Kilmarnock was missed and a certain other team has consistently got away with handballs that have been penalties elsewhere.
They do need to get a better grasp what handball is and apply it consistently across all competitions.
I think the EPL has been dealing with handballs better. In Europe, international games and Scottish football just about any ball to hand contact results in a penalty. Some of the decisions have been ridiculous. As bad as some of the decisions have been the bigger annoyance is the handball in St Johnstone v Kilmarnock was missed and a certain other team has consistently got away with handballs that have been penalties elsewhere.
They do need to get a better grasp what handball is and apply it consistently across all competitions.
Driver101 said:
By modern VAR standards that is a penalty. The defender had his arm out too long. It may have impacted Kane's ability to take the ball down.
I think the EPL has been dealing with handballs better. In Europe, international games and Scottish football just about any ball to hand contact results in a penalty. Some of the decisions have been ridiculous. As bad as some of the decisions have been the bigger annoyance is the handball in St Johnstone v Kilmarnock was missed and a certain other team has consistently got away with handballs that have been penalties elsewhere.
They do need to get a better grasp what handball is and apply it consistently across all competitions.
Except rangers games. They've handballed it 7 times now and nothing. Otherwise every other handball in Scotland has been a penalty.I think the EPL has been dealing with handballs better. In Europe, international games and Scottish football just about any ball to hand contact results in a penalty. Some of the decisions have been ridiculous. As bad as some of the decisions have been the bigger annoyance is the handball in St Johnstone v Kilmarnock was missed and a certain other team has consistently got away with handballs that have been penalties elsewhere.
They do need to get a better grasp what handball is and apply it consistently across all competitions.
Oh except hearts when they saved the ball but that was against celtic. Conspiracy though.
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Not content with throwing a glass bottle at Joe Hart and disfiguring the Celtic Physio, Rangers woman team assistant manager (Craig McPherson) decides to up the ante by cowardly head butt the Celtic manager from behind
From the club that loves a statement not a peep
Not content with throwing a glass bottle at Joe Hart and disfiguring the Celtic Physio, Rangers woman team assistant manager (Craig McPherson) decides to up the ante by cowardly head butt the Celtic manager from behind
From the club that loves a statement not a peep
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