The Official Leeds United Thread

[JNW1]

That's four defeats in our last five games and, worse, two of those losses have been to teams below us in the table. With some difficult looking fixtures coming after the international break I fear there's a danger of losing becoming a habit and the whole season descending into a downward spiral.

I share some of the reservations about Farke's team selections but for me the real damage was done in the summer - we needed a good transfer window to have a chance of staying up but we just didn't have one and now we're seeing the result. I'm not quite in the sack Farke camp just yet but he's going to be coming under a lot of pressure after today and I wouldn't put money on him still being in the job at Xmas.

But if he goes a) who would we replace him with and b) is the squad going to be good enough to stay up regardless of manager? Top players won't exactly be rushing to join us in January if we're in the relegation zone and if we're basically stuck with what we've got I think we'll probably struggle whoever's in charge....

[Killer2005]

ziggy328 said:

Murph7355 said:

Ajax Treesdown said:

S...
Sack him now and 2 week international break to bring someone in.
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Who would you get though?

Available managers here

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbar...

How about Erik?

Allardyce is still free

[ziggy328]

He’d surely be free though as a pensioner

[Ajax Treesdown]

Killer2005 said:

ziggy328 said:

Murph7355 said:

Ajax Treesdown said:

S...
Sack him now and 2 week international break to bring someone in.
...

Who would you get though?

Available managers here

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbar...

How about Erik?

Allardyce is still free

Anyone who is tactically astute would be better!
You cannot defend that yesterday, it was utter dross.
90% backwards or sidewards passes, no attack at all, inviting pressure against kids who are 10x better than championship sides is only going to end one way.

Im sure i saw a stat yesterday (as Farke loves a stat) that he is the worst ever premier league manager for points per game! Something like 0.37 points per game over his premier league games! Abysmal!

You can also lay some blame at the board for the transfer window debacle, but end of day, Farke just isn't good enough st this level.

Sunderland are an example of a promoted club actually having a go, backed by the board and a manager who plays to the teams strengths.

The next 4 fixtures are 0 points! Bottom at Christmas.

[JNW1]

Ajax Treesdown said:

The next 4 fixtures are 0 points! Bottom at Christmas.

Never mind the next four fixtures, with performances like yesterday it's difficult to see where any points are going to come from period. Some of that may well be down to Farke's tactics and team selection but, like I said yesterday, I'm not convinced the squad's good enough regardless of who the manager is - and that's a consequence of our indifferent summer transfer window which is in turn down to the owners....

[Ajax Treesdown]

JNW1 said:

Ajax Treesdown said:

The next 4 fixtures are 0 points! Bottom at Christmas.

Never mind the next four fixtures, with performances like yesterday it's difficult to see where any points are going to come from period. Some of that may well be down to Farke's tactics and team selection but, like I said yesterday, I'm not convinced the squad's good enough regardless of who the manager is - and that's a consequence of our indifferent summer transfer window which is in turn down to the owners....

I understand what you are saying about the transfer window and the owners, which during the summer they didn't do enough. But end of the day, it's Farke's team selection, tactics, substitutions etc that affect the on field play. And that is terrible. Team selection is bewildering, substitutions are bewildering. Harrison at left back when you have a fully qualified fullback in Justin on the bench.
His unwavering picking of Aaronson and Harrison is bewildering. Letting the most creative winger/forward leave in Rammanazzi is unforgivable. The guy is clueless at this level.

I respect what he has done since he came in, two record points hauls, stabilised the club when it needed and that's great, but there are levels to people's ability and Farke isn't up to the level for the Premier League. There is no shame in that either as there has been numerous managers in the same boat but the club needs to act if it has any ambition of staying in the league.

People will say the Championship is better but any professional wants to be playing at the highest level possible and so do the fans. And I don't care what anyone says, the Premier League is where the money is at and the Club need that money to expand and become better.

I hope things change, but for me Farke's time is up at Leeds United. The stat for the stat man is out of every manager who has managed 25 games or more in the Premier League since it's inception, he is the worst for points per game.

[JNW1]

Ajax Treesdown said:

JNW1 said:

Ajax Treesdown said:

The next 4 fixtures are 0 points! Bottom at Christmas.

Never mind the next four fixtures, with performances like yesterday it's difficult to see where any points are going to come from period. Some of that may well be down to Farke's tactics and team selection but, like I said yesterday, I'm not convinced the squad's good enough regardless of who the manager is - and that's a consequence of our indifferent summer transfer window which is in turn down to the owners....

I understand what you are saying about the transfer window and the owners, which during the summer they didn't do enough. But end of the day, it's Farke's team selection, tactics, substitutions etc that affect the on field play. And that is terrible. Team selection is bewildering, substitutions are bewildering. Harrison at left back when you have a fully qualified fullback in Justin on the bench.
His unwavering picking of Aaronson and Harrison is bewildering. Letting the most creative winger/forward leave in Rammanazzi is unforgivable. The guy is clueless at this level.

I respect what he has done since he came in, two record points hauls, stabilised the club when it needed and that's great, but there are levels to people's ability and Farke isn't up to the level for the Premier League. There is no shame in that either as there has been numerous managers in the same boat but the club needs to act if it has any ambition of staying in the league.

People will say the Championship is better but any professional wants to be playing at the highest level possible and so do the fans. And I don't care what anyone says, the Premier League is where the money is at and the Club need that money to expand and become better.

I hope things change, but for me Farke's time is up at Leeds United. The stat for the stat man is out of every manager who has managed 25 games or more in the Premier League since it's inception, he is the worst for points per game.

And I in turn understand your comments about Farke but to be fair Norwich didn't support him at all when he got them promoted - he basically had to compete with the squad that had taken them up from the Championship and from memory they also sold Buendia from under him as well (who at the time was probably their best player).

So I think his points per game record in the PL is very much influenced by that and, while we've supported him more than Norwich did in the transfer market, IMO we didn't do anywhere near enough in the summer. Go back to the comments in July/August/September on this thread and you'll see there were quite a few of us expressing disquiet about how our summer transfer window was going and sadly those concerns are now proving well founded.

That's not to say I think Farke's perfect and I do agree with some of your comments on tactics and team selection. But if we get rid of him the questions for me are who would replace him and, perhaps more fundamentally, would that person have a squad that's good enough to work with and keep us up?

[JNW1]

A better performance today and I felt we were unfortunate not to get something out of the game. But ultimately it's results that matter and we're definitely in a relegation scrap now - and with the games we've got coming I fear we'll be firmly embedded in the bottom three with a bit of mountain to climb come the turn of the year.

Whether Farke's still in charge by then remains to be seen - I'd guess not although I'm still not sure who we'd replace him with...

[ziggy328]

The easiest, quickest as well as cheapest thing to help improve things is to get the fking team selection correct from the start.

[Ajax Treesdown]

Team selection a joke, manager a joke! Just get rid and give ourselves a slim chance of survival!

[Drezza]

He’s so predictable and reactionary when making subs, wait until we’re losing then throw on a load of attacking players and hope for the best.

[JNW1]

Ajax Treesdown said:

Team selection a joke, manager a joke! Just get rid and give ourselves a slim chance of survival!

I agree Farke's far from perfect but who would you replace him with? I know people are saying things to the effect "anyone who's better tactically" but who specifically does that put in the frame?

[Ajax Treesdown]

JNW1 said:

Ajax Treesdown said:

Team selection a joke, manager a joke! Just get rid and give ourselves a slim chance of survival!

I agree Farke's far from perfect but who would you replace him with? I know people are saying things to the effect "anyone who's better tactically" but who specifically does that put in the frame?

It puts anyone in the frame as any manager is tactically better than Farke.
People defending him now are just blind to the fact he got us out of the championship. That was his job.
Once thay had been a hieved it should have been thank you and goodbye! Everyone knew his premier league record and yet they still gave him a chance. Look where its got us.

Leeds are still a big draw, there managers out of work and at other clubs who wpuld love to manage leeds!

Farke time is done! It should habe happened before the international break to give new person time to settle.

The fans have turned, running up to dug out to protest, booing subs and aaronson! Once that happens ypur time is up.

Make the change for the good of the club

[Voldemort]

JNW1 said:

I agree Farke's far from perfect but who would you replace him with?

I can think of someone who lives locally who used to manage a national squad...

[JNW1]

Ajax Treesdown said:

JNW1 said:

Ajax Treesdown said:

Team selection a joke, manager a joke! Just get rid and give ourselves a slim chance of survival!

I agree Farke's far from perfect but who would you replace him with? I know people are saying things to the effect "anyone who's better tactically" but who specifically does that put in the frame?

It puts anyone in the frame as any manager is tactically better than Farke.
People defending him now are just blind to the fact he got us out of the championship. That was his job.
Once thay had been a hieved it should have been thank you and goodbye! Everyone knew his premier league record and yet they still gave him a chance. Look where its got us.

Leeds are still a big draw, there managers out of work and at other clubs who wpuld love to manage leeds!

Farke time is done! It should habe happened before the international break to give new person time to settle.

The fans have turned, running up to dug out to protest, booing subs and aaronson! Once that happens ypur time is up.

Make the change for the good of the club

Just anyone isn't necessarily better than Farke though! Like I say, I agree he's far from perfect but paying him a load of compensation only to employ someone who isn't a significant improvement would leave us no better off from a playing point of view and worse off financially.

So if we do make a change - and I understand why many are saying we should - it needs to be properly thought through and not a repeat of the sort of fiasco we had when we got rid of Marsch. Hence my desire to see some credible alternatives rather than just hearing shouts of "get rid of Farke".....

[JNW1]

Voldemort said:

JNW1 said:

I agree Farke's far from perfect but who would you replace him with?

I can think of someone who lives locally who used to manage a national squad...

Southgate's an interesting thought and I quite like him as a personality. However, his record as a Premier League club manager wasn't great (he got Boro relegated) and he also received a lot of flack as England manager for his lack of tactical awareness, the very thing Farke's being criticised for.

I'm also not sure he'd fancy coming to us just now (maybe he'd want a club that's better established the Premier League?) so apart from being available and living locally I'm not convinced he'd be a terribly good fit!

[Ajax Treesdown]

JNW1 said:

Voldemort said:

JNW1 said:

I agree Farke's far from perfect but who would you replace him with?

I can think of someone who lives locally who used to manage a national squad...

Southgate's an interesting thought and I quite like him as a personality. However, his record as a Premier League club manager wasn't great (he got Boro relegated) and he also received a lot of flack as England manager for his lack of tactical awareness, the very thing Farke's being criticised for.

I'm also not sure he'd fancy coming to us just now (maybe he'd want a club that's better established the Premier League?) so apart from being available and living locally I'm not convinced he'd be a terribly good fit!

You question Southgates premier league record but are happy with Farke's record of 6 wins in 60 odd games!

Its inevitable now that Farke is sacked, the fans have turned and Elland road let him know it!

There's no coming back from that no matter what he says!

[S600BSB]

Voldemort said:

JNW1 said:

I agree Farke's far from perfect but who would you replace him with?

I can think of someone who lives locally who used to manage a national squad...

He might be a decent choice, but why would he?

[JNW1]

Ajax Treesdown said:

JNW1 said:

Voldemort said:

JNW1 said:

I agree Farke's far from perfect but who would you replace him with?

I can think of someone who lives locally who used to manage a national squad...

Southgate's an interesting thought and I quite like him as a personality. However, his record as a Premier League club manager wasn't great (he got Boro relegated) and he also received a lot of flack as England manager for his lack of tactical awareness, the very thing Farke's being criticised for.

I'm also not sure he'd fancy coming to us just now (maybe he'd want a club that's better established the Premier League?) so apart from being available and living locally I'm not convinced he'd be a terribly good fit!

You question Southgates premier league record but are happy with Farke's record of 6 wins in 60 odd games!

Its inevitable now that Farke is sacked, the fans have turned and Elland road let him know it!

There's no coming back from that no matter what he says!

I'm not happy with the way things are going under Farke. I'm just saying when you make a change you need to be pretty sure it's going to represent a significant improvement and, when I look at how our owners have been handling the managerial changes at Rangers, it doesn't give me a great deal of faith they won't jump out of the frying pan into the fire.

As for Southgate, he comes across as a very likeable person but he couldn't keep Boro in the PL and was always getting criticised for his lack of tactical awareness in the England job - and like I say, I'm not sure he'd even be interested in taking over at a club that was in a relegation scrap. So if (when?) Farke goes I'd be surprised if Southgate was his replacement.

Maybe we end up looking at someone like Thiago Motta? He kept Bologna in Serie A and managed Juventus for a while so he's also got experience at a big club. But personally I'd prefer someone with more of a track record of keeping teams in the PL - Sean Dyche would have probably fitted the bill he's obviously no longer available...

[Zad]

As soon as you lose a manager like this, you lose the team. All the cohesion goes, nobody wants to be there, the thing that held you all together has left, and all the players want out, for a pittance. The invested money has gone and you need a totally new squad. This is why Farke worked so well after Bielsa, he was about as close in style as you could get.

I wouldn't be unhappy to see us demoted again, then spank the Championship. Sadly though, demotion would undoubtedly see us players on contract conditions.

Oh yeah, and we need a decent centre forward. Have done every year since well before Bielsa arrived. Amazing how owners will stump up for managers, entire squads, new grounds, but not an expensive goal scorer.