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hstewie said:
hstewie said: On the video I saw some muppet seemed to take a swing at him.
I'd love to know what people expect Aguero to have done
Putting aside any bias, i think you’re seeing what you want to see in the video. I’m a United’s fan, so could be accused of bias, but hopefully you’ll see that’s not the case below. I'd love to know what people expect Aguero to have done
A Wigan fan runs up to him and clearly says something. I don’t know what’s he says and if it’s in any way racist then fair enough on the reaction, if it’s as reported as a “suck my dick”,then that’s the kind of banter that a player needs to shrug off.
Aguero then lashes out and the Wigan fan puts his arm up to try to block it. A still photo of that looks like both of them are trying to punch each other, but that overstates it from both sides. Aguero lashes out with a flailing arm, rather than a planned and targeted punch.
However, Aguero then goes after the fan twice and is hauled back initially by a Wigan player and then his own teammates. To not have to answer any questions about that is a bit poor. I agree that the fan shouldn’t have been on the pitch, but two wrongs and all that.
The Cantona comment is overstating it, but then he got a 9 month ban for his actions. Aguero appears to have had a bit of a telling off. That’s where there appears to be double standards.
Evra has recently received a 7 month UEFA wide ban too.
The video is on here.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/683104/...
Edited by Gavia on Tuesday 20th February 20:26
Gavia said:
Putting aside any bias, i think you’re seeing what you want to see in the video. I’m a United’s fan, so could be accused of bias, but hopefully you’ll see that’s not the case below.
A Wigan fan runs up to him and clearly says something. I don’t know what’s he says and if it’s in any way racist then fair enough on the reaction, if it’s as reported as a “suck my dick”,then that’s the kind of banter that a player needs to shrug off.
Aguero then lashes out and the Wigan fan puts his arm up to try to block it. A still photo of that looks like both of them are trying to punch each other, but that overstates it from both sides. Aguero lashes out with a flailing arm, rather than a planned and targeted punch.
However, Aguero then goes after the fan twice and is hauled back initially by a Wigan player and then his own teammates. To not have to answer any questions about that is a bit poor. I agree that the fan shouldn’t have been on the pitch, but two wrongs and all that.
The Cantona comment is overstating it, but then he got a 9 month ban for his actions. Aguero appears to have had a bit of a telling off. That’s where there appears to be double standards.
The video is on here.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/683104/...
A bias opinion from someone who hasn’t had access to all the information but instead is a bitter red A Wigan fan runs up to him and clearly says something. I don’t know what’s he says and if it’s in any way racist then fair enough on the reaction, if it’s as reported as a “suck my dick”,then that’s the kind of banter that a player needs to shrug off.
Aguero then lashes out and the Wigan fan puts his arm up to try to block it. A still photo of that looks like both of them are trying to punch each other, but that overstates it from both sides. Aguero lashes out with a flailing arm, rather than a planned and targeted punch.
However, Aguero then goes after the fan twice and is hauled back initially by a Wigan player and then his own teammates. To not have to answer any questions about that is a bit poor. I agree that the fan shouldn’t have been on the pitch, but two wrongs and all that.
The Cantona comment is overstating it, but then he got a 9 month ban for his actions. Aguero appears to have had a bit of a telling off. That’s where there appears to be double standards.
The video is on here.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/683104/...
stuartmmcfc said:
Gavia said:
stuartmmcfc said:
A bias opinion.
How is it biased? It’s a statement of what happened in the video. A Wigan fan taunted Aguero by saying something. There is no bias there, it’s clearly visible on the video
Aguero lashed out at a fan. There no bias there, it’s clearly visible on the video
Aguero went back for seconds and thirds. There’s no bias there, it’s clearly visible on the video.
Cantona and Evra received very long bans for there altercations with fans. That’s a matter of record, so no bias there
I don’t think that what Aguero did is comparable to those two though. No bias there, as I could be all rose tinted glasses and pretend it’s as bad. It’s not.
There should be more of a case to answer though, as he’s received no more than a warning about future conduct. Could be perceived as biased depending how blue your glasses are.
Sadly, you clearly have no intention of taking a step back and trying to view it objectively. I’m surprised you haven’t called me a rag, or a Munich yet.
Gavia said:
stuartmmcfc said:
A bias opinion.
How is it biased? It’s a statement of what happened in the video. tamore said:
Gavia said:
blah blah........ or a Munich yet.
let yourself down there fella. give your head a shake.
tamore said:
Gavia said:
blah blah........ or a Munich yet.
let yourself down there fella. give your head a shake."Derogatory references to the Munich Air Disaster are forbidden. There are a million other things to take the piss out of United for, please use those".
No City fan on this Pistonheads thread will ever make any derogatory reference to Munich, apart from that, one of our finest ever goalkeepers Frank Swift perished (Whilst working for the Daily Express).
Gavia said:
tamore said:
Gavia said:
blah blah........ or a Munich yet.
let yourself down there fella. give your head a shake.Gavia said:
tamore said:
Gavia said:
blah blah........ or a Munich yet.
let yourself down there fella. give your head a shake.I hate it when people use the word “class” to describe what is normal, decent behaviour but in this case,
I’ve to much class to describe your bunch as “munichs”
Blackpuddin said:
Fantastic performance by our boys there. Not massively surprised to see the City fans behaving poorly at the end. I found myself sat next to a couple of them in the Wigan end when we beat them at Wembley in 2013. Very unpleasant people.
Most clubs unfortunately have an element of this. I went to a play-off semi-final at Wigan and some little Wigan hoodlums were throwing golf balls at us at the end of the game.He didn’t from what I could see from the video. According to the article linked he’s looking into bringing a prosecution against the fan.
If this is true then it suggests that he perceived there was something racial or a spit against him.
Obviously, despite watching the video many times, I can’t make out exactly what happend at the time as it’s not that clear.
If this is true then it suggests that he perceived there was something racial or a spit against him.
Obviously, despite watching the video many times, I can’t make out exactly what happend at the time as it’s not that clear.
The comment around assault vs threatening behaviour is wide of the mark. This isn’t about whether there’s sufficient evidence to prosecute a criminal case, it’s about the view the FA takes and they’re not restricted by criminal matters. After all, the scumbag that Cantona kicked was also found guilty, so surely that should have moderated his 9 month ban?
I agree that if any of the comments were racist that it makes his reaction much more understandable, although again in Cantona’s and Evra’s cases there was strong racial provocation.
There is the counter argument about how much of the legal threat from Aguero is bluster to try to cover up what happened and paint him as the victim.
The video is a bit clearer than you’re making out though.
I agree that if any of the comments were racist that it makes his reaction much more understandable, although again in Cantona’s and Evra’s cases there was strong racial provocation.
There is the counter argument about how much of the legal threat from Aguero is bluster to try to cover up what happened and paint him as the victim.
The video is a bit clearer than you’re making out though.
Gavia said:
The comment around assault vs threatening behaviour is wide of the mark. This isn’t about whether there’s sufficient evidence to prosecute a criminal case, it’s about the view the FA takes and they’re not restricted by criminal matters. After all, the scumbag that Cantona kicked was also found guilty, so surely that should have moderated his 9 month ban?
I agree. However the FA have to have a benchmark system in place and I suspect the law of the land would play into the thinking behind any judgement that they might come to. Cantona connected and was prosecuted by the authorities and was likewise punished by the FA
Aguero didn't connect and won't be prosecuted by the authorities and likewise wont be punished by the FA
There is a correlation albeit tenuous. However the fact that it involves a spectator and not another player is pertinent. A deliberately dangerous tackle is very unlikely to receive police attention but could well be severely punished by the FA.
Technically though you are correct.
There’s no sound or close up on the video. Why are you still going on about it? The people who have full access to the information have made a decision. Are you trying to troll me? No comment from my post about the Munich comment from you. Doesn’t show much class.
Post what you want on this thread, I’ve got better things to do than reply.
Post what you want on this thread, I’ve got better things to do than reply.
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