The Official Manchester City Premiership Champions Thread

[Wacky Racer]

uk66fastback said:

What did the bloke at Selhurst Park say to Cantona?

"The fish in your trawler stink"

[Gavia]

uk66fastback said:

What did the bloke at Selhurst Park say to Cantona?

He claims he said “Off, off, off. It’s an early bath for you Mr Cantona”

Other witnesses accounts differ more than a little.

“fk off back to France, you French bd” seems to be the accepted version.

stuartmmcfc said:

There’s no sound or close up on the video. Why are you still going on about it? The people who have full access to the information have made a decision. Are you trying to troll me? No comment from my post about the Munich comment from you. Doesn’t show much class.
Post what you want on this thread, I’ve got better things to do than reply.

I’m not trolling you. The Munich comment was in frustration at your two posts and choice not to engage in a discussion. I’ll withdraw it.

I know theres no sound. My comments support Aguero’s actions if he was racially abused, but not if he was just insulted, which seems to be the case.

I’m “going on about it” because it’s a big discussion point. There’s an article in The Times today questioning why Guardiola has been let off as well. We all know Mourinho would be slaughtered if he’d done similar.

[stuartmmcfc]

Is the Sunday match on TV?

[Gavia]

LoonyTunes said:

I agree. However the FA have to have a benchmark system in place and I suspect the law of the land would play into the thinking behind any judgement that they might come to.

Cantona connected and was prosecuted by the authorities and was likewise punished by the FA

Aguero didn't connect and won't be prosecuted by the authorities and likewise wont be punished by the FA

There is a correlation albeit tenuous. However the fact that it involves a spectator and not another player is pertinent. A deliberately dangerous tackle is very unlikely to receive police attention but could well be severely punished by the FA.

Technically though you are correct.

The benchmark punishment isn’t in line with the law of the land though. For example a player gets banned for 9 months for missing a drugs test, not failing, just missing. That’s like being found not guilty of a crime, but being punished just as harshly for not having as good an alibi as you should have had.

West Ham have just been charged with an offence within the FAs code of conduct that wouldn’t stand up if scrutinised under the criminal threshold of proof. Both City and Bournemouth have fallen foul of this in recent years too.

There’s no comparison between any company’s staff handbook and the criminal burden of proof.

[Byker28i]

Gavia said:

There is the counter argument about how much of the legal threat from Aguero is bluster to try to cover up what happened and paint him as the victim.

Was my thought.

City did seem to spend the second half rolling on the ground to get wigan players booked/sent off, then jump up and sprint when ref played on. It worked with quite a few bookings though. The red card incident was very strange

[LoonyTunes]

Gavia said:

LoonyTunes said:

I agree. However the FA have to have a benchmark system in place and I suspect the law of the land would play into the thinking behind any judgement that they might come to.

Cantona connected and was prosecuted by the authorities and was likewise punished by the FA

Aguero didn't connect and won't be prosecuted by the authorities and likewise wont be punished by the FA

There is a correlation albeit tenuous. However the fact that it involves a spectator and not another player is pertinent. A deliberately dangerous tackle is very unlikely to receive police attention but could well be severely punished by the FA.

Technically though you are correct.

The benchmark punishment isn’t in line with the law of the land though. For example a player gets banned for 9 months for missing a drugs test, not failing, just missing. That’s like being found not guilty of a crime, but being punished just as harshly for not having as good an alibi as you should have had.

West Ham have just been charged with an offence within the FAs code of conduct that wouldn’t stand up if scrutinised under the criminal threshold of proof. Both City and Bournemouth have fallen foul of this in recent years too.

There’s no comparison between any company’s staff handbook and the criminal burden of proof.

Drugs test attendance falls within the FA's code of conduct and to ply your trade as a professional footballer you agree to adhere to it or face internal regulatory measures - but there isn't a similar offence in civvy street.

However a physical Assault on a spectator has a direct correlation in law. If a player is seen to attack a paying guest and is prosecuted you can bet your life the FA will act as well.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this I'm afraid.

[Gavia]

LoonyTunes said:

Drugs test attendance falls within the FA's code of conduct and to ply your trade as a professional footballer you agree to adhere to it or face internal regulatory measures - but there isn't a similar offence in civvy street.

However a physical Assault on a spectator has a direct correlation in law. If a player is seen to attack a paying guest and is prosecuted you can bet your life the FA will act as well.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this I'm afraid.

Was Evra prosecuted? I know it’s UEFA not the FA, but your argument falls down a little there if he wasn’t.

I dont think Suarez was prosecuted for any of his biting offences, or his racist outburst at Evra, but he still got lengthy bans for them.

[LoonyTunes]

Gavia said:

LoonyTunes said:

Drugs test attendance falls within the FA's code of conduct and to ply your trade as a professional footballer you agree to adhere to it or face internal regulatory measures - but there isn't a similar offence in civvy street.

However a physical Assault on a spectator has a direct correlation in law. If a player is seen to attack a paying guest and is prosecuted you can bet your life the FA will act as well.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this I'm afraid.

Was Evra prosecuted? I know it’s UEFA not the FA, but your argument falls down a little there if he wasn’t.

That took place in France so my argument stands.

[epom]

Shame Aguero didn't properly lamp that guy the other night.

[Gavia]

LoonyTunes said:

Gavia said:

LoonyTunes said:

Drugs test attendance falls within the FA's code of conduct and to ply your trade as a professional footballer you agree to adhere to it or face internal regulatory measures - but there isn't a similar offence in civvy street.

However a physical Assault on a spectator has a direct correlation in law. If a player is seen to attack a paying guest and is prosecuted you can bet your life the FA will act as well.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this I'm afraid.

Was Evra prosecuted? I know it’s UEFA not the FA, but your argument falls down a little there if he wasn’t.

That took place in France so my argument stands.

You appear to have snipped the Suarez piece out to make your spargument stand.

Was Suarez prosecuted for his bitey period?

[LoonyTunes]

Gavia said:

LoonyTunes said:

Gavia said:

LoonyTunes said:

Drugs test attendance falls within the FA's code of conduct and to ply your trade as a professional footballer you agree to adhere to it or face internal regulatory measures - but there isn't a similar offence in civvy street.

However a physical Assault on a spectator has a direct correlation in law. If a player is seen to attack a paying guest and is prosecuted you can bet your life the FA will act as well.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this I'm afraid.

Was Evra prosecuted? I know it’s UEFA not the FA, but your argument falls down a little there if he wasn’t.

That took place in France so my argument stands.

You appear to have snipped the Suarez piece out to make your spargument stand.

Was Suarez prosecuted for his bitey period?

What's a spargument? Typo?

The player (Victim) didn't want to bring a prosecution. Without that there's no case to answer.

And lets not forget I only said there was a tenuous connection. A "basis". I never said there was an exact correlation, just a correlation.

And Suarez's offence was against an opponent, not a paying spectator and as I said I think that's pertinent.

[tamore]

jesus! this thread has turned into an episode of rumpole of the bailey!

anyway...... hopefully we'll see kev and sterling start, along with zinchenko at LB on sunday. hope monday galvanises and we turn the wick back up on sunday.

[Gavia]

LoonyTunes said:

What's a spargument? Typo?

The player (Victim) didn't want to bring a prosecution. Without that there's no case to answer.

And lets not forget I only said there was a tenuous connection. A "basis". I never said there was an exact correlation, just a correlation.

And Suarez's offence was against an opponent, not a paying spectator and as I said I think that's pertinent.

Yes it’s a typo, my fat fingers tend to hit the p on my phone rather than delete. The point around Suarez was that he wasn’t pursued legally but still faced a lengthy ban. The reality is that it’ll be interesting to see what happens next time there’s an issue like this.

[stuartmmcfc]

tamore said:

jesus! this thread has turned into an episode of rumpole of the bailey!

anyway...... hopefully we'll see kev and sterling start, along with zinchenko at LB on sunday. hope monday galvanises and we turn the wick back up on sunday.

Sunday will be interesting. We should wipe the floor with Arsenal, but I thought the same on Monday! I decided not to go as it would be a late bedtime unfortunately.
It’s on Sky though.

[stuartmmcfc]

Mickey Mouse cup tbh, but it’s a cup never the less.
City were much better in the 2nd half, but Arsenal really were piss poor unfortunately for their fans.
Pep showed a bit of style not going up up to collect the trophy and Vinnie is THE man imho!

[gadgetmac]

Well done. You raised your game in the 2nd half, until then it resembled a contest.

[Wacky Racer]

stuartmmcfc said:

Mickey Mouse cup tbh, but it’s a cup never the less.
City were much better in the 2nd half, but Arsenal really were piss poor unfortunately for their fans.
Pep showed a bit of style not going up up to collect the trophy and Vinnie is THE man imho!

Yes, pleased for Vinnie, he has had some terrible luck the last few seasons...piss poor of Arsenal fans leaving fifteen minutes from the end, not fair on their players, a few minutes before maybe.

Well done City, the treble is still a possibility...not many teams would want to play us at the moment. (Except Wigan lol!)

[Gavia]

Well done, first trophy of the season.

Wacky Racer said:

Yes, pleased for Vinnie, he has had some terrible luck the last few seasons...piss poor of Arsenal fans leaving fifteen minutes from the end, not fair on their players, a few minutes before maybe.

Well done City, the treble is still a possibility...not many teams would want to play us at the moment. (Except Wigan lol!)

It’s not the treble, it’s three cups. There is only one Treble.

[Black can man]

Wacky Racer said:

Yes, pleased for Vinnie, he has had some terrible luck the last few seasons...piss poor of Arsenal fans leaving fifteen minutes from the end, not fair on their players, a few minutes before maybe.

Well done City, the treble is still a possibility...not many teams would want to play us at the moment. (Except Wigan lol!)

Congratulations Gents

The treble is still well on.

[anniesdad]

Congratulations you blue nose gets! Would have been a bit harder if Arsenal had actually sent a team out to play against you!

Kompany is class personified. You lot have been extremely privileged to have him playing for you as long as he has.

Enjoy your evening.