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Fastchas said:
DeltonaS said:
Hardly an achievement with easy TV rights money, more than 200m in two seasons. Wolverhampton is one of those clubs that almost complete floats on TV right money. Making a yearly budget possible that tops most EU clubs.
Just hire a couple of mercenaries. And looking at your squad that what you've got: 7 Portugese players, 3 Spaniards, a Belgium, an Italian, Mexican. You even got a couple of English players of which just 1 made some minutes this EPL season.
The biggest achievement probably was getting out of leaque 1.
This is funny! Just hire a couple of mercenaries. And looking at your squad that what you've got: 7 Portugese players, 3 Spaniards, a Belgium, an Italian, Mexican. You even got a couple of English players of which just 1 made some minutes this EPL season.
The biggest achievement probably was getting out of leaque 1.
Connor Coady played every minute of every game last season in our return to the EPL, as our captain as well.
Ryan Bennett kept his place in more or less every game, even with a foreign player to challenge him, and who remembers Docherty's foraging play down the right in every game. His assists were up there with any other EPL player last season, English/Irish or foreign.
So getting out of League 1 wasn't as big an achievement as geting out of the Championship? You're clueless.
A solid 30-32,000 attendance every week, but we're floating on TV money? It's our second season in the Premier League FFS. How about clubs like Everton, Southampton, Bournemouth. How are they surviving?
You make it sound like we are just surviving in the EPL. Remind me of our finishing postion last year...
And which teams we beat home & away to get there...?
But our 'biggest achievement was getting out of League 1'...?!
And a 30-32,000 attendance every week is decent, although it isn't that special compared with most mid table EU clubs from the larger nations. But it certainly doesn't bring in the funds needed to compete in just 2 seasons after being promoted with the Europe Leaque regulars. The TV right money however….
With floating on TV right money I meant that a very large % of Wolves revenue is made up from TV right money. Uncomparably large compared with the average EU club, but obviously similar as the "small" EPL clubs like you've mentioned, Southampton and Bournemouth.
Which is my point, newly promoted EPL clubs can compete with EU clubs in the EL thanks to TV right money. But what's the achievement if those funds are so easily obtained ?
GTO-3R said:
chow pan toon said:
If it's hardly an achievement then I guess that's why so many other clubs are doing it for less; not forgetting all those other clubs in the Premier League that don't rely on TV money of course.
Our English players consist of Conor Coady who was a bang average championship midfielder who now hasn't missed a minute of football for us since January, Ryan Bennett was a free transfer from Norwich who didn't think he was good enough, he has also played in the EPL this year. Morgan Gibbs-White is an academy product who has played in the Europa league and played a decent amount last season. Matt Doherty is Irish but was signed for less than £100k so I think it is unfair to suggest that we are built on foreign mercenaries.
Who do you support out of interest?
ETA The players we do have have all been young and/or improved by good coaching, I can't think of one that would be sold for less than we paid for him so hardly short-termism either.
You're best ignoring him/her. They offer nothing to any thread on PH other than to wind people up. We've learned to ignore on the MUFC thread , best you do the same!Our English players consist of Conor Coady who was a bang average championship midfielder who now hasn't missed a minute of football for us since January, Ryan Bennett was a free transfer from Norwich who didn't think he was good enough, he has also played in the EPL this year. Morgan Gibbs-White is an academy product who has played in the Europa league and played a decent amount last season. Matt Doherty is Irish but was signed for less than £100k so I think it is unfair to suggest that we are built on foreign mercenaries.
Who do you support out of interest?
ETA The players we do have have all been young and/or improved by good coaching, I can't think of one that would be sold for less than we paid for him so hardly short-termism either.
DeltonaS said:
Fastchas said:
DeltonaS said:
Hardly an achievement with easy TV rights money, more than 200m in two seasons. Wolverhampton is one of those clubs that almost complete floats on TV right money. Making a yearly budget possible that tops most EU clubs.
Just hire a couple of mercenaries. And looking at your squad that what you've got: 7 Portugese players, 3 Spaniards, a Belgium, an Italian, Mexican. You even got a couple of English players of which just 1 made some minutes this EPL season.
The biggest achievement probably was getting out of leaque 1.
This is funny! Just hire a couple of mercenaries. And looking at your squad that what you've got: 7 Portugese players, 3 Spaniards, a Belgium, an Italian, Mexican. You even got a couple of English players of which just 1 made some minutes this EPL season.
The biggest achievement probably was getting out of leaque 1.
Connor Coady played every minute of every game last season in our return to the EPL, as our captain as well.
Ryan Bennett kept his place in more or less every game, even with a foreign player to challenge him, and who remembers Docherty's foraging play down the right in every game. His assists were up there with any other EPL player last season, English/Irish or foreign.
So getting out of League 1 wasn't as big an achievement as geting out of the Championship? You're clueless.
A solid 30-32,000 attendance every week, but we're floating on TV money? It's our second season in the Premier League FFS. How about clubs like Everton, Southampton, Bournemouth. How are they surviving?
You make it sound like we are just surviving in the EPL. Remind me of our finishing postion last year...
And which teams we beat home & away to get there...?
But our 'biggest achievement was getting out of League 1'...?!
And a 30-32,000 attendance every week is decent, although it isn't that special compared with most mid table EU clubs from the larger nations. But it certainly doesn't bring in the funds needed to compete in just 2 seasons after being promoted with the Europe Leaque regulars. The TV right money however….
With floating on TV right money I meant that a very large % of Wolves revenue is made up from TV right money. Uncomparably large compared with the average EU club, but obviously similar as the "small" EPL clubs like you've mentioned, Southampton and Bournemouth.
Which is my point, newly promoted EPL clubs can compete with EU clubs in the EL thanks to TV right money. But what's the achievement if those funds are so easily obtained ?
It may be worth knowing that in our first season last year we spent something like £50-60m. Whilst not an insubstantial amount, it is comparable with the likes of Fulham spending (£100m) in their return to the EPL. It doesn't matter what you spend and what you buy in some respects but how they gel and how the manager gets them to understand what he wants them to do.
Fulham spent double what we spent and were promptly removed from the EPL.
Nuno, (in his exalted greatness, peace be upon him) has fashioned a team we have not seen for decades at Molineux and that is not over-stated.
I refuse to acknowledge it is all down to TV money.
As Wolves fans, we have learnt from the 1990's that simply having money and buying players doth not guarantee success...
Deerfoot said:
I know it’s still early days but our league form is worrying...
It will be fine. Two very poor performances in a row, but it's been a tough start fixtures-wise. There's only been one match where we would have gone into it as favourites. Burnley at home. As soon as that first league win comes, things will start to slot into place.The Everton performance is possibly the worst since returning to the PL, but the tone was set right at the start with a bad individual error from Coady. I know we got back on level terms quickly, but to do that at the start of the game sets the tone, changes the mindset and the gameplan to at least some extent, goes out of the window.
It was always going to be more difficult this season with teams wising up to what we are all about and the added curve ball of Europa League football. Our poor league form has nothing to do with fatigue from extra games, certainly not at this stage of the season, but the mental aspect is there, plus it's a bigger difference than people realise playing against teams from other leagues compared to English football and you have to change your mentality in a couple of days. With such a small squad it's going to be a challenge. If we want to make a good fist of the Europa League I think it's inevitable that League form will suffer to some degree.
Our defence has also suffered at the early part of this season, and our defence forms such an integral part of our attack. Doherty has been a big miss and when he has played he's looked nowhere near match fit. Shape is vital to us. Last season we had a good defence, but aside from Boly, we don't have any top class centre halves, we just worked as a unit. Our midfield has also looked pretty lost in the last couple of games, but it's still been a tough start in the fixtures and we have to adapt to mixing PL and EL. No panic yet, but I would have liked to have seen another top class centre half brought in over the summer and a more dynamic attacking midfielder, but think we can get through that by using Jota a little deeper with Cutrone in the side, especially against the lower teams. I also like the look of Neto, especially in Europe, but think once up to speed he can have an impact in that role in the PL.
A poor patch definitely, but still optimistic.
It was always going to be more difficult this season with teams wising up to what we are all about and the added curve ball of Europa League football. Our poor league form has nothing to do with fatigue from extra games, certainly not at this stage of the season, but the mental aspect is there, plus it's a bigger difference than people realise playing against teams from other leagues compared to English football and you have to change your mentality in a couple of days. With such a small squad it's going to be a challenge. If we want to make a good fist of the Europa League I think it's inevitable that League form will suffer to some degree.
Our defence has also suffered at the early part of this season, and our defence forms such an integral part of our attack. Doherty has been a big miss and when he has played he's looked nowhere near match fit. Shape is vital to us. Last season we had a good defence, but aside from Boly, we don't have any top class centre halves, we just worked as a unit. Our midfield has also looked pretty lost in the last couple of games, but it's still been a tough start in the fixtures and we have to adapt to mixing PL and EL. No panic yet, but I would have liked to have seen another top class centre half brought in over the summer and a more dynamic attacking midfielder, but think we can get through that by using Jota a little deeper with Cutrone in the side, especially against the lower teams. I also like the look of Neto, especially in Europe, but think once up to speed he can have an impact in that role in the PL.
A poor patch definitely, but still optimistic.
Deerfoot said:
chow pan toon said:
Getting a tune out of Traore is one of his best coaching achievements yet.
I thought Adama was excellent yesterday, he easily skinned Stirling in a defensive capacity in the first half and he took both his goals really well.chow pan toon said:
Deerfoot said:
chow pan toon said:
Getting a tune out of Traore is one of his best coaching achievements yet.
I thought Adama was excellent yesterday, he easily skinned Stirling in a defensive capacity in the first half and he took both his goals really well.I've long dismissed him for not being a 'natural' footballer, as in his technique is st!
However, I am willing to overlook it if he keeps performing like this!
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