Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)
Discussion
PRTVR said:
A view on sea level rise.
https://youtu.be/e82smfcypUc
Ah, thats refreshing, a link to a regular contributor to WUWT. Who could forsee that?https://youtu.be/e82smfcypUc
gadgetmac said:
PRTVR said:
A view on sea level rise.
https://youtu.be/e82smfcypUc
Ah, thats refreshing, a link to a regular contributor to WUWT. Who could forsee that?https://youtu.be/e82smfcypUc
https://www.clim-past.net/14/1653/2018/
Conclusion-
We find evidence for seasonally biased in situ production of branched glycerol dialkyl glycerol tetraethers (brGDGTs) in a lake in central Maine, NE US. BrGDGTs are mostly produced in September at Basin Pond, and their downward fluxes in the water column peak at 30 m in water depth. A down-core brGDGT-based reconstruction reveals both gradual and transient climate changes over the last 900 years and records cooling and warming events correlated with other Northern Hemisphere records and the NAO and AMO indices. This suggests inland Maine climate is sensitive to hemispheric climate forcing as well as changes in regional atmospheric pressure patterns and North Atlantic sea surface temperatures. Our new MBT′5ME temperature reconstruction, supported by a pollen record from the same site, reveals a prominent cooling trend from AD 1100 to 1900 in this area. Comparison with regional hydroclimate records suggests that despite increasingly cool and wet conditions persisting at Basin Pond over the last 900 years, fire activity has increased. Although recent fire activity is likely anthropogenically triggered (i.e., via land-use change), our results imply an independent relationship between climate and NE US fire occurrence over the study interval. Thus, the paleotemperature reconstruction presented here alongside site-specific knowledge from Basin Pond informs our understanding of climatic variability in the NE US beyond the era of human influence.
My bold.
Suggest to me that proof of temperature shifts over the centuries, with the cold ending around the end of the 19th century.
One could infer from that that the temperature after the end of the little ice would rise...shocking revelation...
Also puts into question rate of change as is currently being thrown around as unprecedented. With such a short time frame for the 'data', of course it would be.
More historic data accounting for the MWP and LIA would be great to stop some of the nonsense.
Conclusion-
We find evidence for seasonally biased in situ production of branched glycerol dialkyl glycerol tetraethers (brGDGTs) in a lake in central Maine, NE US. BrGDGTs are mostly produced in September at Basin Pond, and their downward fluxes in the water column peak at 30 m in water depth. A down-core brGDGT-based reconstruction reveals both gradual and transient climate changes over the last 900 years and records cooling and warming events correlated with other Northern Hemisphere records and the NAO and AMO indices. This suggests inland Maine climate is sensitive to hemispheric climate forcing as well as changes in regional atmospheric pressure patterns and North Atlantic sea surface temperatures. Our new MBT′5ME temperature reconstruction, supported by a pollen record from the same site, reveals a prominent cooling trend from AD 1100 to 1900 in this area. Comparison with regional hydroclimate records suggests that despite increasingly cool and wet conditions persisting at Basin Pond over the last 900 years, fire activity has increased. Although recent fire activity is likely anthropogenically triggered (i.e., via land-use change), our results imply an independent relationship between climate and NE US fire occurrence over the study interval. Thus, the paleotemperature reconstruction presented here alongside site-specific knowledge from Basin Pond informs our understanding of climatic variability in the NE US beyond the era of human influence.
My bold.
Suggest to me that proof of temperature shifts over the centuries, with the cold ending around the end of the 19th century.
One could infer from that that the temperature after the end of the little ice would rise...shocking revelation...
Also puts into question rate of change as is currently being thrown around as unprecedented. With such a short time frame for the 'data', of course it would be.
More historic data accounting for the MWP and LIA would be great to stop some of the nonsense.
mko9 said:
gadgetmac said:
PRTVR said:
A view on sea level rise.
https://youtu.be/e82smfcypUc
Ah, thats refreshing, a link to a regular contributor to WUWT. Who could forsee that?https://youtu.be/e82smfcypUc
He's also on record as saying that he doesn't think there's been any warming since the 1940's. He likewise seems to think all of the recent warming in the USA has been faked by the NOAA...he's also accused the climate scientists in general of being involved in altering the data - so he's a conspiracy clown t'boot.
He also once said that his local coal fired power station was emitting no pollution at all.
This is not somebody I will take seriously enough to waste 11 minutes of my life watching one of his videos.
I'm sure deniers will think he's inherently watchable exactly because of the above.
Edited by gadgetmac on Thursday 10th January 08:22
gadgetmac said:
mko9 said:
gadgetmac said:
PRTVR said:
A view on sea level rise.
https://youtu.be/e82smfcypUc
Ah, thats refreshing, a link to a regular contributor to WUWT. Who could forsee that?https://youtu.be/e82smfcypUc
He's also on record as saying that he doesn't think there's been any warming since the 1940's. He likewise seems to think all of the recent warming in the USA has been faked by the NOAA...he's also accused the climate scientists in general of being involved in altering the data - so he's a conspiracy clown t'boot.
He also once said that his local coal fired power station was emitting no pollution at all.
This is not somebody I will take seriously enough to waste 11 minutes of my life watching one of his videos.
I'm sure deniers will think he's inherently watchable exactly because of the above.
Edited by gadgetmac on Thursday 10th January 08:22
Jinx said:
gadgetmac said:
That's because Tony Heller aka Steven Goddard writes for the big oil funded WUWT.
Still peddling those "Big oil" lies gadgetmac.It's a fact. Even Watts himself had to admit it.
Do some research. Sadly the Heartland Institute (themselves the recipients of oil industry funding) also fund an Anthony Watts 'project' as was discovered when they mistakenly emailed their budget to a third party.
The fact that all of this would be secret information if not leaked is damning enough. He told nobody about it prior to it coming out.
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil where your pin up boys are concerned eh.
Edited by gadgetmac on Thursday 10th January 09:57
PRTVR said:
Historically the science you hold so much faith in is flawed, from climategate on it has shown itself to be less than truthful, if the opinion in the link I posted is wrong, point me to the answer from NASA or one of the many scientific organisations that have massive resources to defeat one blogger.
Which bit of "I'm not going to waste 11 minutes of my life watching one of his videos" didn't you understand?Shall I ask you to watch a David Icke video for proof of how we are controlled by shape shifting reptilians?
Sadly by promoting this nonsense you put yourself in the same category.
stew-STR160 said:
https://www.clim-past.net/14/1653/2018/
Conclusion-
We find evidence for seasonally biased in situ production of branched glycerol dialkyl glycerol tetraethers (brGDGTs) in a lake in central Maine, NE US. BrGDGTs are mostly produced in September at Basin Pond, and their downward fluxes in the water column peak at 30?m in water depth. A down-core brGDGT-based reconstruction reveals both gradual and transient climate changes over the last 900 years and records cooling and warming events correlated with other Northern Hemisphere records and the NAO and AMO indices. This suggests inland Maine climate is sensitive to hemispheric climate forcing as well as changes in regional atmospheric pressure patterns and North Atlantic sea surface temperatures. Our new MBT?5ME temperature reconstruction, supported by a pollen record from the same site, reveals a prominent cooling trend from AD?1100 to 1900 in this area. Comparison with regional hydroclimate records suggests that despite increasingly cool and wet conditions persisting at Basin Pond over the last 900 years, fire activity has increased. Although recent fire activity is likely anthropogenically triggered (i.e., via land-use change), our results imply an independent relationship between climate and NE US fire occurrence over the study interval. Thus, the paleotemperature reconstruction presented here alongside site-specific knowledge from Basin Pond informs our understanding of climatic variability in the NE US beyond the era of human influence.
My bold.
Suggest to me that proof of temperature shifts over the centuries, with the cold ending around the end of the 19th century.
One could infer from that that the temperature after the end of the little ice would rise...shocking revelation...
Also puts into question rate of change as is currently being thrown around as unprecedented. With such a short time frame for the 'data', of course it would be.
More historic data accounting for the MWP and LIA would be great to stop some of the nonsense.
There are a multitude of studies with similar conclusions - the IPCC attribute early 20th century warming to mostly a rebound from the LIA. Conclusion-
We find evidence for seasonally biased in situ production of branched glycerol dialkyl glycerol tetraethers (brGDGTs) in a lake in central Maine, NE US. BrGDGTs are mostly produced in September at Basin Pond, and their downward fluxes in the water column peak at 30?m in water depth. A down-core brGDGT-based reconstruction reveals both gradual and transient climate changes over the last 900 years and records cooling and warming events correlated with other Northern Hemisphere records and the NAO and AMO indices. This suggests inland Maine climate is sensitive to hemispheric climate forcing as well as changes in regional atmospheric pressure patterns and North Atlantic sea surface temperatures. Our new MBT?5ME temperature reconstruction, supported by a pollen record from the same site, reveals a prominent cooling trend from AD?1100 to 1900 in this area. Comparison with regional hydroclimate records suggests that despite increasingly cool and wet conditions persisting at Basin Pond over the last 900 years, fire activity has increased. Although recent fire activity is likely anthropogenically triggered (i.e., via land-use change), our results imply an independent relationship between climate and NE US fire occurrence over the study interval. Thus, the paleotemperature reconstruction presented here alongside site-specific knowledge from Basin Pond informs our understanding of climatic variability in the NE US beyond the era of human influence.
My bold.
Suggest to me that proof of temperature shifts over the centuries, with the cold ending around the end of the 19th century.
One could infer from that that the temperature after the end of the little ice would rise...shocking revelation...
Also puts into question rate of change as is currently being thrown around as unprecedented. With such a short time frame for the 'data', of course it would be.
More historic data accounting for the MWP and LIA would be great to stop some of the nonsense.
The unprecedentedness of the rate of change since the LIA might be debateable but you haven't really provided anything here that moves that debate on (going by the abstract - I haven't read the paper)
Edited by kerplunk on Thursday 10th January 11:02
kerplunk said:
stew-STR160 said:
https://www.clim-past.net/14/1653/2018/
Conclusion-
We find evidence for seasonally biased in situ production of branched glycerol dialkyl glycerol tetraethers (brGDGTs) in a lake in central Maine, NE US. BrGDGTs are mostly produced in September at Basin Pond, and their downward fluxes in the water column peak at 30?m in water depth. A down-core brGDGT-based reconstruction reveals both gradual and transient climate changes over the last 900 years and records cooling and warming events correlated with other Northern Hemisphere records and the NAO and AMO indices. This suggests inland Maine climate is sensitive to hemispheric climate forcing as well as changes in regional atmospheric pressure patterns and North Atlantic sea surface temperatures. Our new MBT?5ME temperature reconstruction, supported by a pollen record from the same site, reveals a prominent cooling trend from AD?1100 to 1900 in this area. Comparison with regional hydroclimate records suggests that despite increasingly cool and wet conditions persisting at Basin Pond over the last 900 years, fire activity has increased. Although recent fire activity is likely anthropogenically triggered (i.e., via land-use change), our results imply an independent relationship between climate and NE US fire occurrence over the study interval. Thus, the paleotemperature reconstruction presented here alongside site-specific knowledge from Basin Pond informs our understanding of climatic variability in the NE US beyond the era of human influence.
My bold.
Suggest to me that proof of temperature shifts over the centuries, with the cold ending around the end of the 19th century.
One could infer from that that the temperature after the end of the little ice would rise...shocking revelation...
Also puts into question rate of change as is currently being thrown around as unprecedented. With such a short time frame for the 'data', of course it would be.
More historic data accounting for the MWP and LIA would be great to stop some of the nonsense.
There are a multitude of studies with similar conclusions - the IPCC attribute early 20th century warming to mostly a rebound from the LIA. Conclusion-
We find evidence for seasonally biased in situ production of branched glycerol dialkyl glycerol tetraethers (brGDGTs) in a lake in central Maine, NE US. BrGDGTs are mostly produced in September at Basin Pond, and their downward fluxes in the water column peak at 30?m in water depth. A down-core brGDGT-based reconstruction reveals both gradual and transient climate changes over the last 900 years and records cooling and warming events correlated with other Northern Hemisphere records and the NAO and AMO indices. This suggests inland Maine climate is sensitive to hemispheric climate forcing as well as changes in regional atmospheric pressure patterns and North Atlantic sea surface temperatures. Our new MBT?5ME temperature reconstruction, supported by a pollen record from the same site, reveals a prominent cooling trend from AD?1100 to 1900 in this area. Comparison with regional hydroclimate records suggests that despite increasingly cool and wet conditions persisting at Basin Pond over the last 900 years, fire activity has increased. Although recent fire activity is likely anthropogenically triggered (i.e., via land-use change), our results imply an independent relationship between climate and NE US fire occurrence over the study interval. Thus, the paleotemperature reconstruction presented here alongside site-specific knowledge from Basin Pond informs our understanding of climatic variability in the NE US beyond the era of human influence.
My bold.
Suggest to me that proof of temperature shifts over the centuries, with the cold ending around the end of the 19th century.
One could infer from that that the temperature after the end of the little ice would rise...shocking revelation...
Also puts into question rate of change as is currently being thrown around as unprecedented. With such a short time frame for the 'data', of course it would be.
More historic data accounting for the MWP and LIA would be great to stop some of the nonsense.
The unprecedentedness of the rate of change since the LIA might be debateable but you haven't really provided anything here that moves that debate on.
http://crd.yerphi.am/files/manuscript&figs_acc...
more than just tax gas involved with earths climate system it seems...
more than just tax gas involved with earths climate system it seems...
gadgetmac said:
Still defending the guilty eh Jinx...
It's a fact. Even Watts himself had to admit it.
Do some research. Sadly the Heartland Institute (themselves the recipients of oil industry funding) also fund an Anthony Watts 'project' as was discovered when they mistakenly emailed their budget to a third party.
The fact that all of this would be secret information if not leaked is damning enough. He told nobody about it prior to it coming out.
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil where your pin up boys are concerned eh.
Recipients of some funding (for a particular project) is not the same as Big Oil funded. If you are unable to grasp this concept then you need to read up on how research gets grants. Have a look at what Shell has funded over the years you may see some names and projects you recognise......It's a fact. Even Watts himself had to admit it.
Do some research. Sadly the Heartland Institute (themselves the recipients of oil industry funding) also fund an Anthony Watts 'project' as was discovered when they mistakenly emailed their budget to a third party.
The fact that all of this would be secret information if not leaked is damning enough. He told nobody about it prior to it coming out.
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil where your pin up boys are concerned eh.
Edited by gadgetmac on Thursday 10th January 09:57
gadgetmac said:
This has just been answered on the other thread, do keep it in one place.
Let me explain the basics to you.
Exxon and Koch Industries fund Heartland to the tune of hundreds of thousands of $$$'s
Heartland then fund WUWT.
To the tune of $.Let me explain the basics to you.
Exxon and Koch Industries fund Heartland to the tune of hundreds of thousands of $$$'s
Heartland then fund WUWT.
Not exactly funding anything other than the one project. The amount pales into insignificance when compared with AGW propaganda funding (like the cost for the short lived and unpalatable "exploding children" video) .
Jinx said:
To the tune of $.
Not exactly funding anything other than the one project. The amount pales into insignificance when compared with AGW propaganda funding (like the cost for the short lived and unpalatable "exploding children" video) .
It was a 'secret' project that Watts/Heartland didn't admit to until they were caught out.Not exactly funding anything other than the one project. The amount pales into insignificance when compared with AGW propaganda funding (like the cost for the short lived and unpalatable "exploding children" video) .
If he hides even that small amount of funding what else is he hiding?
I believe I said all of this before being banned from that thread.
LoonyTunes said:
It was a 'secret' project that Watts/Heartland didn't admit to until they were caught out.
If he hides even that small amount of funding what else is he hiding?
I believe I said all of this before being banned from that thread.
Any evidence it was "secret"? Is there a full disclosure law I haven't heard about? If he hides even that small amount of funding what else is he hiding?
I believe I said all of this before being banned from that thread.
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