Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)
Discussion
Kawasicki said:
Gadgetmac said:
Kawasicki said:
Gadgetmac said:
Kawasicki said:
Gadgetmac said:
Yes, I just found it, it starts on Page 221...kindly point out where you "won" that particular argument as I've just read it and you were shown to be peddling rather dubious points all of the way through.
Of course you won't see that but then that's what denial is all about.
The sensor in question didn’t achieve class 1 or class 2 WMO sensor placement standards.Of course you won't see that but then that's what denial is all about.
Not much more to discuss about it really. Weird that I had to point that out though.
Anyway I doubt anybody is interested as we've moved on. What about the hottest September ever recorded? And we're on course for the hottest year ever recorded...and let's not forget the very recent wettest year ever recorded here...any thoughts?
2. As for recent records, if you start measuring anything over time you will always get new records. Every record, in every direction, hot/cold, wet/dry, still/windy, sunny/cloudy is blamed on man made climate change.
2. The ratio of new hot records to new cold records demonstrates the trend is upwards. It's inline with expectations which are themselves scientifically well established.
The trend is all in one direction.
NB. 3rd October was the wettest day in the UK ever recorded and records go back to 1891. Enough water fell to fill loch Ness.
Do you trust a man in 1913 who's boss said he wasn't up to the job and who had previous for not getting it right?
We'll see but claiming a win here is premature in the extreme.
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
It's not like the headline "Anthropogenic CO2 increase is unprecedented" is even a surprise or a new development in scientific thinking - it's long been considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism' considerations, so i don't see where the 'alarmist/worse than previously thought' angle comes in.
Increases in CO2 in the past dwarf the magnitude of the rise since the start of the industrial revolution.Edited by kerplunk on Saturday 22 August 15:02
Source>https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/CO2-forced-climate-thresholds-during-the-Royer/cab1810561360762463dddc8e9615dc70b67f05d/figure/3
"Time Ma" - bit of a timescale issue (duh).
kerplunk said:
unlikely to exist in nature
Also, you do know what unprecedented means, don’t you.This is the science thread, remember.
I'll have a go at spelling it out for you and see if we can get the penny to drop this time around (but I'm not hopeful)
- paper was about 'abrupt' CO2 increases (found in ice cores due to improved resolution etc)
- 'abrupt' being century-scale increases
- the headline about the unprecedentedness of the anthropogenic CO2 is rise is clearly on the basis of that abruptness
- similarly for my comment 'long considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism considerations'
- to which you responded with CO2 graph with a scale in millions of years....
Can you see where you've gone wrong yet?
Incidentally I take umbrage at the fact that you posted that graph like I needed telling that CO2 has varied like that over geological timeframes - you think I'm a noob you patronising wker?
^ ta for giving me another chance to say that though - felt good
Gadgetmac said:
Again you're making a statement that has yet to be proven. Even then extrapolating it out to say all sensors don't meet WMO best practice is rum.
Do you trust a man in 1913 who's boss said he wasn't up to the job and who had previous for not getting it right?
We'll see but claiming a win here is premature in the extreme.
Do you trust measurements that are made on sensors not meeting WMO best practice?Do you trust a man in 1913 who's boss said he wasn't up to the job and who had previous for not getting it right?
We'll see but claiming a win here is premature in the extreme.
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
It's not like the headline "Anthropogenic CO2 increase is unprecedented" is even a surprise or a new development in scientific thinking - it's long been considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism' considerations, so i don't see where the 'alarmist/worse than previously thought' angle comes in.
Increases in CO2 in the past dwarf the magnitude of the rise since the start of the industrial revolution.Edited by kerplunk on Saturday 22 August 15:02
Source>https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/CO2-forced-climate-thresholds-during-the-Royer/cab1810561360762463dddc8e9615dc70b67f05d/figure/3
"Time Ma" - bit of a timescale issue (duh).
kerplunk said:
unlikely to exist in nature
Also, you do know what unprecedented means, don’t you.This is the science thread, remember.
I'll have a go at spelling it out for you and see if we can get the penny to drop this time around (but I'm not hopeful)
- paper was about 'abrupt' CO2 increases (found in ice cores due to improved resolution etc)
- 'abrupt' being century-scale increases
- the headline about the unprecedentedness of the anthropogenic CO2 is rise is clearly on the basis of that abruptness
- similarly for my comment 'long considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism considerations'
- to which you responded with CO2 graph with a scale in millions of years....
Can you see where you've gone wrong yet?
Incidentally I take umbrage at the fact that you posted that graph like I needed telling that CO2 has varied like that over geological timeframes - you think I'm a noob you patronising wker?
^ ta for giving me another chance to say that though - felt good
Not so good for scientific accuracy though.
And regarding the personal attack, you maybe need to work on your self awareness.
Kawasicki said:
Gadgetmac said:
Again you're making a statement that has yet to be proven. Even then extrapolating it out to say all sensors don't meet WMO best practice is rum.
Do you trust a man in 1913 who's boss said he wasn't up to the job and who had previous for not getting it right?
We'll see but claiming a win here is premature in the extreme.
Do you trust measurements that are made on sensors not meeting WMO best practice?Do you trust a man in 1913 who's boss said he wasn't up to the job and who had previous for not getting it right?
We'll see but claiming a win here is premature in the extreme.
Gadgetmac said:
Kawasicki said:
Gadgetmac said:
Again you're making a statement that has yet to be proven. Even then extrapolating it out to say all sensors don't meet WMO best practice is rum.
Do you trust a man in 1913 who's boss said he wasn't up to the job and who had previous for not getting it right?
We'll see but claiming a win here is premature in the extreme.
Do you trust measurements that are made on sensors not meeting WMO best practice?Do you trust a man in 1913 who's boss said he wasn't up to the job and who had previous for not getting it right?
We'll see but claiming a win here is premature in the extreme.
I’m sure you’ll post a link to multiple mainstream/scientific news websites all retracting their breathlessly premature headlines
Kawasicki said:
Gadgetmac said:
Kawasicki said:
Gadgetmac said:
Again you're making a statement that has yet to be proven. Even then extrapolating it out to say all sensors don't meet WMO best practice is rum.
Do you trust a man in 1913 who's boss said he wasn't up to the job and who had previous for not getting it right?
We'll see but claiming a win here is premature in the extreme.
Do you trust measurements that are made on sensors not meeting WMO best practice?Do you trust a man in 1913 who's boss said he wasn't up to the job and who had previous for not getting it right?
We'll see but claiming a win here is premature in the extreme.
I’m sure you’ll post a link to multiple mainstream/scientific news websites all retracting their breathlessly premature headlines
Anything?
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
It's not like the headline "Anthropogenic CO2 increase is unprecedented" is even a surprise or a new development in scientific thinking - it's long been considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism' considerations, so i don't see where the 'alarmist/worse than previously thought' angle comes in.
Increases in CO2 in the past dwarf the magnitude of the rise since the start of the industrial revolution.Edited by kerplunk on Saturday 22 August 15:02
Source>https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/CO2-forced-climate-thresholds-during-the-Royer/cab1810561360762463dddc8e9615dc70b67f05d/figure/3
"Time Ma" - bit of a timescale issue (duh).
kerplunk said:
unlikely to exist in nature
Also, you do know what unprecedented means, don’t you.This is the science thread, remember.
I'll have a go at spelling it out for you and see if we can get the penny to drop this time around (but I'm not hopeful)
- paper was about 'abrupt' CO2 increases (found in ice cores due to improved resolution etc)
- 'abrupt' being century-scale increases
- the headline about the unprecedentedness of the anthropogenic CO2 is rise is clearly on the basis of that abruptness
- similarly for my comment 'long considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism considerations'
- to which you responded with CO2 graph with a scale in millions of years....
Can you see where you've gone wrong yet?
Incidentally I take umbrage at the fact that you posted that graph like I needed telling that CO2 has varied like that over geological timeframes - you think I'm a noob you patronising wker?
^ ta for giving me another chance to say that though - felt good
Not so good for scientific accuracy though.
And regarding the personal attack, you maybe need to work on your self awareness.
Edited by kerplunk on Friday 16th October 22:30
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
It's not like the headline "Anthropogenic CO2 increase is unprecedented" is even a surprise or a new development in scientific thinking - it's long been considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism' considerations, so i don't see where the 'alarmist/worse than previously thought' angle comes in.
Increases in CO2 in the past dwarf the magnitude of the rise since the start of the industrial revolution.Edited by kerplunk on Saturday 22 August 15:02
Source>https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/CO2-forced-climate-thresholds-during-the-Royer/cab1810561360762463dddc8e9615dc70b67f05d/figure/3
"Time Ma" - bit of a timescale issue (duh).
kerplunk said:
unlikely to exist in nature
Also, you do know what unprecedented means, don’t you.This is the science thread, remember.
I'll have a go at spelling it out for you and see if we can get the penny to drop this time around (but I'm not hopeful)
- paper was about 'abrupt' CO2 increases (found in ice cores due to improved resolution etc)
- 'abrupt' being century-scale increases
- the headline about the unprecedentedness of the anthropogenic CO2 is rise is clearly on the basis of that abruptness
- similarly for my comment 'long considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism considerations'
- to which you responded with CO2 graph with a scale in millions of years....
Can you see where you've gone wrong yet?
Incidentally I take umbrage at the fact that you posted that graph like I needed telling that CO2 has varied like that over geological timeframes - you think I'm a noob you patronising wker?
^ ta for giving me another chance to say that though - felt good
Not so good for scientific accuracy though.
And regarding the personal attack, you maybe need to work on your self awareness.
Edited by kerplunk on Friday 16th October 22:30
You appear not to be interested in science or scientific debate. Personal insults, on the other hand...
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
Kawasicki said:
kerplunk said:
It's not like the headline "Anthropogenic CO2 increase is unprecedented" is even a surprise or a new development in scientific thinking - it's long been considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism' considerations, so i don't see where the 'alarmist/worse than previously thought' angle comes in.
Increases in CO2 in the past dwarf the magnitude of the rise since the start of the industrial revolution.Edited by kerplunk on Saturday 22 August 15:02
Source>https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/CO2-forced-climate-thresholds-during-the-Royer/cab1810561360762463dddc8e9615dc70b67f05d/figure/3
"Time Ma" - bit of a timescale issue (duh).
kerplunk said:
unlikely to exist in nature
Also, you do know what unprecedented means, don’t you.This is the science thread, remember.
I'll have a go at spelling it out for you and see if we can get the penny to drop this time around (but I'm not hopeful)
- paper was about 'abrupt' CO2 increases (found in ice cores due to improved resolution etc)
- 'abrupt' being century-scale increases
- the headline about the unprecedentedness of the anthropogenic CO2 is rise is clearly on the basis of that abruptness
- similarly for my comment 'long considered unlikely to exist in nature due to plausible mechanism considerations'
- to which you responded with CO2 graph with a scale in millions of years....
Can you see where you've gone wrong yet?
Incidentally I take umbrage at the fact that you posted that graph like I needed telling that CO2 has varied like that over geological timeframes - you think I'm a noob you patronising wker?
^ ta for giving me another chance to say that though - felt good
Not so good for scientific accuracy though.
And regarding the personal attack, you maybe need to work on your self awareness.
Edited by kerplunk on Friday 16th October 22:30
You appear not to be interested in science or scientific debate. Personal insults, on the other hand...
This Year's Arctic Sea Ice Is Failing to Form, Raising a Huge ‘Red Flag’
https://earther.gizmodo.com/this-years-arctic-sea-...
Extract
Arctic ice is seasonal. It melts down in the summer sun and relative warmth, then freezes back up when fall’s chill comes. Or at least, it should be that way. But right now it’s late October, and the ice in Siberia’s Laptav Sea still hasn’t refrozen. It’s the latest ice-free date the sea has seen in recorded history and is driving Arctic sea ice as a whole to its lowest point on record for this time of year.
The Laptav Sea is the Arctic’s main nursery of sea ice. Generally, ice that forms in the area drifts to other parts of the Arctic on offshore winds, helping to form ice packs in other bodies of water. This summer, though, there was a bizarre, extended heat wave in the Arctic Circle and other adjacent regions. That meant ice along the Siberian coast melted more quickly than usual, leaving large open areas of water.
“With these newly open waters, direct sunshine was able to warm up the ocean temperatures to more than 5 degrees Celsius above average,” Zachary Labe, a postdoctoral researcher at Colorado State University, wrote in an email. “These warmer ocean waters are slowing the refreeze in the Siberian Arctic now in October.”
Current windy and wavy conditions are further also inhibiting ice formation. The lack of ice and resulting warm water could seriously mess with the sea’s lush ecosystems, wreaking havoc on fish and other organisms. Indigenous communities in the region will likely suffer, too, as they depend on sea ice for travel and cultural practices. The delay in ice formation has major implications for the rest of the Arctic, too, rendering ice all over the region more brittle.
The Laptav Sea isn’t the only region experiencing a delay in ice formation this fall. In another shocking illustration of the problem, ice in the Northwest Passage—the route between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans through the Arctic—melted down earlier than ever this year, leaving the passageway clear. And now, it’s also refreezing later than it ever has. In fact, the entire Arctic is currently seeing its lowest sea ice extent record.
https://earther.gizmodo.com/this-years-arctic-sea-...
Extract
Arctic ice is seasonal. It melts down in the summer sun and relative warmth, then freezes back up when fall’s chill comes. Or at least, it should be that way. But right now it’s late October, and the ice in Siberia’s Laptav Sea still hasn’t refrozen. It’s the latest ice-free date the sea has seen in recorded history and is driving Arctic sea ice as a whole to its lowest point on record for this time of year.
The Laptav Sea is the Arctic’s main nursery of sea ice. Generally, ice that forms in the area drifts to other parts of the Arctic on offshore winds, helping to form ice packs in other bodies of water. This summer, though, there was a bizarre, extended heat wave in the Arctic Circle and other adjacent regions. That meant ice along the Siberian coast melted more quickly than usual, leaving large open areas of water.
“With these newly open waters, direct sunshine was able to warm up the ocean temperatures to more than 5 degrees Celsius above average,” Zachary Labe, a postdoctoral researcher at Colorado State University, wrote in an email. “These warmer ocean waters are slowing the refreeze in the Siberian Arctic now in October.”
Current windy and wavy conditions are further also inhibiting ice formation. The lack of ice and resulting warm water could seriously mess with the sea’s lush ecosystems, wreaking havoc on fish and other organisms. Indigenous communities in the region will likely suffer, too, as they depend on sea ice for travel and cultural practices. The delay in ice formation has major implications for the rest of the Arctic, too, rendering ice all over the region more brittle.
The Laptav Sea isn’t the only region experiencing a delay in ice formation this fall. In another shocking illustration of the problem, ice in the Northwest Passage—the route between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans through the Arctic—melted down earlier than ever this year, leaving the passageway clear. And now, it’s also refreezing later than it ever has. In fact, the entire Arctic is currently seeing its lowest sea ice extent record.
Gadgetmac said:
This Year's Arctic Sea Ice Is Failing to Form, Raising a Huge ‘Red Flag’
https://earther.gizmodo.com/this-years-arctic-sea-...
Extract
Arctic ice is seasonal. It melts down in the summer sun and relative warmth, then freezes back up when fall’s chill comes. Or at least, it should be that way. But right now it’s late October, and the ice in Siberia’s Laptav Sea still hasn’t refrozen. It’s the latest ice-free date the sea has seen in recorded history and is driving Arctic sea ice as a whole to its lowest point on record for this time of year.
The Laptav Sea is the Arctic’s main nursery of sea ice. Generally, ice that forms in the area drifts to other parts of the Arctic on offshore winds, helping to form ice packs in other bodies of water. This summer, though, there was a bizarre, extended heat wave in the Arctic Circle and other adjacent regions. That meant ice along the Siberian coast melted more quickly than usual, leaving large open areas of water.
“With these newly open waters, direct sunshine was able to warm up the ocean temperatures to more than 5 degrees Celsius above average,” Zachary Labe, a postdoctoral researcher at Colorado State University, wrote in an email. “These warmer ocean waters are slowing the refreeze in the Siberian Arctic now in October.”
Current windy and wavy conditions are further also inhibiting ice formation. The lack of ice and resulting warm water could seriously mess with the sea’s lush ecosystems, wreaking havoc on fish and other organisms. Indigenous communities in the region will likely suffer, too, as they depend on sea ice for travel and cultural practices. The delay in ice formation has major implications for the rest of the Arctic, too, rendering ice all over the region more brittle.
The Laptav Sea isn’t the only region experiencing a delay in ice formation this fall. In another shocking illustration of the problem, ice in the Northwest Passage—the route between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans through the Arctic—melted down earlier than ever this year, leaving the passageway clear. And now, it’s also refreezing later than it ever has. In fact, the entire Arctic is currently seeing its lowest sea ice extent record.
I thought about posting this but assumed the response from most on here would be:https://earther.gizmodo.com/this-years-arctic-sea-...
Extract
Arctic ice is seasonal. It melts down in the summer sun and relative warmth, then freezes back up when fall’s chill comes. Or at least, it should be that way. But right now it’s late October, and the ice in Siberia’s Laptav Sea still hasn’t refrozen. It’s the latest ice-free date the sea has seen in recorded history and is driving Arctic sea ice as a whole to its lowest point on record for this time of year.
The Laptav Sea is the Arctic’s main nursery of sea ice. Generally, ice that forms in the area drifts to other parts of the Arctic on offshore winds, helping to form ice packs in other bodies of water. This summer, though, there was a bizarre, extended heat wave in the Arctic Circle and other adjacent regions. That meant ice along the Siberian coast melted more quickly than usual, leaving large open areas of water.
“With these newly open waters, direct sunshine was able to warm up the ocean temperatures to more than 5 degrees Celsius above average,” Zachary Labe, a postdoctoral researcher at Colorado State University, wrote in an email. “These warmer ocean waters are slowing the refreeze in the Siberian Arctic now in October.”
Current windy and wavy conditions are further also inhibiting ice formation. The lack of ice and resulting warm water could seriously mess with the sea’s lush ecosystems, wreaking havoc on fish and other organisms. Indigenous communities in the region will likely suffer, too, as they depend on sea ice for travel and cultural practices. The delay in ice formation has major implications for the rest of the Arctic, too, rendering ice all over the region more brittle.
The Laptav Sea isn’t the only region experiencing a delay in ice formation this fall. In another shocking illustration of the problem, ice in the Northwest Passage—the route between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans through the Arctic—melted down earlier than ever this year, leaving the passageway clear. And now, it’s also refreezing later than it ever has. In fact, the entire Arctic is currently seeing its lowest sea ice extent record.
Esceptico said:
Gadgetmac said:
This Year's Arctic Sea Ice Is Failing to Form, Raising a Huge ‘Red Flag’
https://earther.gizmodo.com/this-years-arctic-sea-...
Extract
Arctic ice is seasonal. It melts down in the summer sun and relative warmth, then freezes back up when fall’s chill comes. Or at least, it should be that way. But right now it’s late October, and the ice in Siberia’s Laptav Sea still hasn’t refrozen. It’s the latest ice-free date the sea has seen in recorded history and is driving Arctic sea ice as a whole to its lowest point on record for this time of year.
The Laptav Sea is the Arctic’s main nursery of sea ice. Generally, ice that forms in the area drifts to other parts of the Arctic on offshore winds, helping to form ice packs in other bodies of water. This summer, though, there was a bizarre, extended heat wave in the Arctic Circle and other adjacent regions. That meant ice along the Siberian coast melted more quickly than usual, leaving large open areas of water.
“With these newly open waters, direct sunshine was able to warm up the ocean temperatures to more than 5 degrees Celsius above average,” Zachary Labe, a postdoctoral researcher at Colorado State University, wrote in an email. “These warmer ocean waters are slowing the refreeze in the Siberian Arctic now in October.”
Current windy and wavy conditions are further also inhibiting ice formation. The lack of ice and resulting warm water could seriously mess with the sea’s lush ecosystems, wreaking havoc on fish and other organisms. Indigenous communities in the region will likely suffer, too, as they depend on sea ice for travel and cultural practices. The delay in ice formation has major implications for the rest of the Arctic, too, rendering ice all over the region more brittle.
The Laptav Sea isn’t the only region experiencing a delay in ice formation this fall. In another shocking illustration of the problem, ice in the Northwest Passage—the route between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans through the Arctic—melted down earlier than ever this year, leaving the passageway clear. And now, it’s also refreezing later than it ever has. In fact, the entire Arctic is currently seeing its lowest sea ice extent record.
I thought about posting this but assumed the response from most on here would be:https://earther.gizmodo.com/this-years-arctic-sea-...
Extract
Arctic ice is seasonal. It melts down in the summer sun and relative warmth, then freezes back up when fall’s chill comes. Or at least, it should be that way. But right now it’s late October, and the ice in Siberia’s Laptav Sea still hasn’t refrozen. It’s the latest ice-free date the sea has seen in recorded history and is driving Arctic sea ice as a whole to its lowest point on record for this time of year.
The Laptav Sea is the Arctic’s main nursery of sea ice. Generally, ice that forms in the area drifts to other parts of the Arctic on offshore winds, helping to form ice packs in other bodies of water. This summer, though, there was a bizarre, extended heat wave in the Arctic Circle and other adjacent regions. That meant ice along the Siberian coast melted more quickly than usual, leaving large open areas of water.
“With these newly open waters, direct sunshine was able to warm up the ocean temperatures to more than 5 degrees Celsius above average,” Zachary Labe, a postdoctoral researcher at Colorado State University, wrote in an email. “These warmer ocean waters are slowing the refreeze in the Siberian Arctic now in October.”
Current windy and wavy conditions are further also inhibiting ice formation. The lack of ice and resulting warm water could seriously mess with the sea’s lush ecosystems, wreaking havoc on fish and other organisms. Indigenous communities in the region will likely suffer, too, as they depend on sea ice for travel and cultural practices. The delay in ice formation has major implications for the rest of the Arctic, too, rendering ice all over the region more brittle.
The Laptav Sea isn’t the only region experiencing a delay in ice formation this fall. In another shocking illustration of the problem, ice in the Northwest Passage—the route between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans through the Arctic—melted down earlier than ever this year, leaving the passageway clear. And now, it’s also refreezing later than it ever has. In fact, the entire Arctic is currently seeing its lowest sea ice extent record.
Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
PRTVR said:
Look at the bigger picture, where has the cold weather gone? Its not extra magical heat that has just appeared by means of a small addition to a trace gas in the atmosphere.
Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
Wrong.Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
The science says...
"To claim that record snowfall is inconsistent with a warming world betrays a lack of understanding of the link between global warming and extreme precipitation. Warming causes more moisture in the air which leads to more extreme precipitation events. This includes more heavy snowstorms in regions where snowfall conditions are favourable. Far from contradicting global warming, record snowfall is predicted by climate models and consistent with our expectation of more extreme precipitation events.
Snowstorms can occur if temperatures are in the range of -10°C to 0°C. Global warming decreases the likeliness of snowstorm conditions in warmer, southern regions. However, in northern, colder regions, temperatures are often too cold for very heavy snow so warming can bring more favourable snowstorm conditions (Kunkel 2008). This is borne out in observations. Over the last century, there has been a downward trend in snowstorms across the lower Midwest, South and West Coast. Conversely, there's been an increase in snowstorms in the upper Midwest East, and Northeast with the overall national trend also upwards (Changnon 2006)."
Gadgetmac said:
PRTVR said:
Look at the bigger picture, where has the cold weather gone? Its not extra magical heat that has just appeared by means of a small addition to a trace gas in the atmosphere.
Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
The science says...Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
"To claim that record snowfall is inconsistent with a warming world betrays a lack of understanding of the link between global warming and extreme precipitation. Warming causes more moisture in the air which leads to more extreme precipitation events. This includes more heavy snowstorms in regions where snowfall conditions are favourable. Far from contradicting global warming, record snowfall is predicted by climate models and consistent with our expectation of more extreme precipitation events."
In America the snow is not normal as indicated by the records broken.
PRTVR said:
Look at the bigger picture, where has the cold weather gone? Its not extra magical heat that has just appeared by means of a small addition to a trace gas in the atmosphere.
Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
"bigger picture"Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
Gadgetmac's post contains weather AND *trend* discussion to which you've responded with weather only
kerplunk said:
PRTVR said:
Look at the bigger picture, where has the cold weather gone? Its not extra magical heat that has just appeared by means of a small addition to a trace gas in the atmosphere.
Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
"bigger picture"Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
Gadgetmac's post contains weather AND *trend* discussion to which you've responded with weather only
PRTVR said:
Gadgetmac said:
PRTVR said:
Look at the bigger picture, where has the cold weather gone? Its not extra magical heat that has just appeared by means of a small addition to a trace gas in the atmosphere.
Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
The science says...Records broken for snow fall in America.
https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2020-10-20-...
"To claim that record snowfall is inconsistent with a warming world betrays a lack of understanding of the link between global warming and extreme precipitation. Warming causes more moisture in the air which leads to more extreme precipitation events. This includes more heavy snowstorms in regions where snowfall conditions are favourable. Far from contradicting global warming, record snowfall is predicted by climate models and consistent with our expectation of more extreme precipitation events."
In America the snow is not normal as indicated by the records broken.
In fact you'd have a more coherent argument if precipitation records WEREN'T being set in those regions.
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