Mars inSight Mission

Mars inSight Mission

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johnxjsc1985

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164 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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steveT350C said:
sunset....

Wow incredible

Beati Dogu

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139 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Is that picture from inSight?
No, it's from the Curiosity rover back in 2015.

The terrain is as flat as a pancake where InSight is.

MartG

20,676 posts

204 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Beati Dogu said:
The terrain is as flat as a pancake where InSight is.
Don't say that, you'll get the Flat Marsers all excited wink

MartG

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204 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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ash73 said:
If it can't adjust where it lands, and we can all see in the photo it basically comes down to pot luck, I think it's a reasonable question to ask. I don't doubt there will be valid reasons, but it's interesting to find out why they can't do more to remove that element of chance; if I was paying for the instrument I'd certainly ask that question.

Eric Mc

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122,023 posts

265 months

Thursday 29th November 2018
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Beati Dogu said:
No, it's from the Curiosity rover back in 2015.

The terrain is as flat as a pancake where InSight is.
That's what I was thinking. inSight isn't about dramatic scenery. It's about "what lies beneath".

Beati Dogu

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Friday 30th November 2018
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MartG said:
ash73 said:
If it can't adjust where it lands, and we can all see in the photo it basically comes down to pot luck, I think it's a reasonable question to ask. I don't doubt there will be valid reasons, but it's interesting to find out why they can't do more to remove that element of chance; if I was paying for the instrument I'd certainly ask that question.
That's impossible, even for a computer! wink

Toaster

2,939 posts

193 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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Eric Mc said:
MartG said:
FFS Eric - it's a simple discussion about the technology used frown I often agree with you but this time you're taking pickiness to a new level frown
I just thought that there was implied criticism of NASA and the JPL for not using "obvious" technology.

I love discussing this stuff - but I balk at concluding that an organisation that has done such amazing things when it comes to Mars somehow could have done better.

On the other hand, both the Soviet/Russian and European attempts at landers have been singularly unsuccessful - so maybe we should look at why they kept/keep getting it wrong - all the time.
We when its a success they when it fails eh `Eric but whatever have a look at this https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6967-beagle... But you know overall ESA is quite successful

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 4th December 2018
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I'm specifically talking about Mars landers - which is what Mars inSight happens to be and what this thread is about.

ESA's record on Mars landers is 100% failure. They've tried twice and failed twice.

I wish ESA all the best - and they have another lander/rover in the offing. I've spoken regularly to the ESA Mars rover team at a number of Farnborough air shows - going back at least 10 years (when their rover was called "Brigid"). They deserve some success and I hope they get it before too long.

But please talk about the topic and not about the posters.

Beati Dogu

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139 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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They've been checking it over and powering on various instruments.

They'll be extending the robot arm soon and taking some "deck picks" wink with its camera.

There's a link to the released photos as they become available on this page:

https://mars.nasa.gov/insight/




Eric Mc

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Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Pics are not its priority.

Beati Dogu

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Thursday 6th December 2018
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The lander's robot arm has been activated and there's a few photos here:

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=729...

MartG

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Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Beati Dogu

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Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Looks like it's jacking itself up to change a wheel. wink


He's what the wind on Mars sounds like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT50Q_Zbf3s

MartG

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204 months

Thursday 20th December 2018
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Seismometer has been placed on the surface

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=731...

MartG

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Friday 4th January 2019
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Seismometer cable now fully extended and lying on the surface. Next step will be to place the weather shield over it




Eric Mc

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Friday 4th January 2019
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My hunch is the latter.

Beati Dogu

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Saturday 5th January 2019
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They did. I mentioned it earlier. The lander took several photos and they used these with VR headsets to recreate the terrain in a sand pit. They worked out the best place to put the seismometer and then instructed the lander to do so.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 5th January 2019
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It' a standard technique they use for these landers. I think they were doing it at least as far back as the time of the Viking landers back in 1976. They might even have used it with the Lunar Surveyors that landed on the moon between 1966 and 1968.

JustALooseScrew

1,154 posts

67 months

Saturday 5th January 2019
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ash73 said:
It's all done in a studio...



...or they recreated the local environment in every detail to practise placing the instruments.
Yeah, that back drop sheet would never stand up to scrutiny wink

Beati Dogu

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Saturday 5th January 2019
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Like this one:



wink