SpaceX (Vol. 2)

[p1stonhead]

Just in case anyone forgets the original expected timeline for Mars....



SpaceX has done some simply incredible things, but Elon has always talked complete bks.

This is huge though because the whole idea behind SpaceX was Mars. and now it's not.

Its going to just be an AI in space data centre company isn't it...

[WH16]

Hmm, doing the hardest thing mankind has ever done is taking a little longer than predicted. I can live with that.

[RumbleOfThunder]

Sorry to moan about Elon, but you cannot separate him from SpaceX. Mars colonisation this century was always a fools errand but to so pathetically change programme with an "if you haven't already heard..." tweet is absolutely disgraceful. How many tax payer billions have been pissed away on that ridiculous Starship, to fund this madness? But who cares at this point, he has free rein to literally say anything, pump SpaceX stock with nothing but vibes, and suffer no consequences.

[RumbleOfThunder]

WH16 said:

Hmm, doing the hardest thing mankind has ever done is taking a little longer than predicted. I can live with that.

The hardest thing ever, that he will never achieve, he knows he'll never achieve, and no one is asking for anyway. Tremendous.

[JoshSm]

p1stonhead said:

Just in case anyone forgets the original expected timeline for Mars....

I'd say claimed instead of expected timeline.

No one with a clue actually expected it to happen.

Only one on a long list of wild claims that are still vapour.

[p1stonhead]

JoshSm said:

p1stonhead said:

Just in case anyone forgets the original expected timeline for Mars....

I'd say claimed instead of expected timeline.

No one with a clue actually expected it to happen.

Only one on a long list of wild claims that are still vapour.

Well quite. But he did it for Tesla too and WHOLE lot of people believed him there considering the share price and the fact he’s nearly a trillionaire.

[Evanivitch]

p1stonhead said:

Just in case anyone forgets the original expected timeline for Mars....



SpaceX has done some simply incredible things, but Elon has always talked complete bks.

This is huge though because the whole idea behind SpaceX was Mars. and now it's not.

Its going to just be an AI in space data centre company isn't it...

The fact they've driven down the cost of low earth orbit deployment to the point that they have a massive LEO constellation and planning even more is a significant development for space, especially when compared against the combined ability of the EU which has utterly failed in this regard.

The data centers in orbit idea is definitely gaining traction, especially whilst US states continue to block their development on terra firma.

[98elise]

RumbleOfThunder said:

Sorry to moan about Elon, but you cannot separate him from SpaceX. Mars colonisation this century was always a fools errand but to so pathetically change programme with an "if you haven't already heard..." tweet is absolutely disgraceful. How many tax payer billions have been pissed away on that ridiculous Starship, to fund this madness? But who cares at this point, he has free rein to literally say anything, pump SpaceX stock with nothing but vibes, and suffer no consequences.

Starship is funded by SpaceX not the Taxpayer. Its also wasn't just being built for Mars, its the successor to Falcon/Falcon Heavy. NASA have contracted them to build the Starship Human Landing System, but as I understand it thats results/milestone driven (I might be wrong though!)

[RumbleOfThunder]

98elise said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

Sorry to moan about Elon, but you cannot separate him from SpaceX. Mars colonisation this century was always a fools errand but to so pathetically change programme with an "if you haven't already heard..." tweet is absolutely disgraceful. How many tax payer billions have been pissed away on that ridiculous Starship, to fund this madness? But who cares at this point, he has free rein to literally say anything, pump SpaceX stock with nothing but vibes, and suffer no consequences.

Starship is funded by SpaceX not the Taxpayer. Its also wasn't just being built for Mars, its the successor to Falcon/Falcon Heavy. NASA have contracted them to build the Starship Human Landing System, but as I understand it thats results/milestone driven (I might be wrong though!)

Starship absolutely *IS* funded by the tax payer. You cannot take tens of billions in NASA funding and claim you're not using it for a specific project or programme.

[Simpo Two]

RumbleOfThunder said:

WH16 said:

Hmm, doing the hardest thing mankind has ever done is taking a little longer than predicted. I can live with that.

The hardest thing ever, that he will never achieve, he knows he'll never achieve, and no one is asking for anyway. Tremendous.

He got further than you did though...

[98elise]

RumbleOfThunder said:

98elise said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

Sorry to moan about Elon, but you cannot separate him from SpaceX. Mars colonisation this century was always a fools errand but to so pathetically change programme with an "if you haven't already heard..." tweet is absolutely disgraceful. How many tax payer billions have been pissed away on that ridiculous Starship, to fund this madness? But who cares at this point, he has free rein to literally say anything, pump SpaceX stock with nothing but vibes, and suffer no consequences.

Starship is funded by SpaceX not the Taxpayer. Its also wasn't just being built for Mars, its the successor to Falcon/Falcon Heavy. NASA have contracted them to build the Starship Human Landing System, but as I understand it thats results/milestone driven (I might be wrong though!)

Starship absolutely *IS* funded by the tax payer. You cannot take tens of billions in NASA funding and claim you're not using it for a specific project or programme.

Do you mean Falcon launches? If so it sounds like you object to NASA using SpaceX at all for its launch needs. Where should that money be spent instead?

If Spacex choose to develop a next generation heavy lift rocket that's up to them. Its the business they are in..NASA are only directly funding the moon lander variant as far as I'm aware.

NASA are not even their biggest user. That would be Spacex/Starlink themselves. SpaceX is now a satellite ISP that builds its own rockets, rather than the other way round.

[loudlashadjuster]

Simpo Two said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

WH16 said:

Hmm, doing the hardest thing mankind has ever done is taking a little longer than predicted. I can live with that.

The hardest thing ever, that he will never achieve, he knows he'll never achieve, and no one is asking for anyway. Tremendous.

He got further than you did though...

Username checks out

[Buzz84]

RumbleOfThunder said:

98elise said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

Sorry to moan about Elon, but you cannot separate him from SpaceX. Mars colonisation this century was always a fools errand but to so pathetically change programme with an "if you haven't already heard..." tweet is absolutely disgraceful. How many tax payer billions have been pissed away on that ridiculous Starship, to fund this madness? But who cares at this point, he has free rein to literally say anything, pump SpaceX stock with nothing but vibes, and suffer no consequences.

Starship is funded by SpaceX not the Taxpayer. Its also wasn't just being built for Mars, its the successor to Falcon/Falcon Heavy. NASA have contracted them to build the Starship Human Landing System, but as I understand it thats results/milestone driven (I might be wrong though!)

Starship absolutely *IS* funded by the tax payer. You cannot take tens of billions in NASA funding and claim you're not using it for a specific project or programme.

Of course you can do exactly that.

They are contracted by NASA to provide specific services/projects in return for that money. Eg ISS cargo resupply, ISS crew transfers and the human lander project.

That money will be a fraction of their overall operating budget and needed to carry out operations to fulfil those contracts. They would not be doing these things if they were not contracted to do.

They will also get money from commercial satellite launches that will directly tie with what it costs to launch that satellite. There will be profit made from these and there is likely some profit generated from the NASA contracts.

[RumbleOfThunder]

Simpo Two said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

WH16 said:

Hmm, doing the hardest thing mankind has ever done is taking a little longer than predicted. I can live with that.

The hardest thing ever, that he will never achieve, he knows he'll never achieve, and no one is asking for anyway. Tremendous.

He got further than you did though...

As ridiculous as your statement is, it's not even true . Starship has been in development for 8 years and has yet to deliver a payload or reach orbit. So same has my multiplanetary effort then.

[98elise]

RumbleOfThunder said:

Simpo Two said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

WH16 said:

Hmm, doing the hardest thing mankind has ever done is taking a little longer than predicted. I can live with that.

The hardest thing ever, that he will never achieve, he knows he'll never achieve, and no one is asking for anyway. Tremendous.

He got further than you did though...

As ridiculous as your statement is, it's not even true . Starship has been in development for 8 years and has yet to deliver a payload or reach orbit. So same has my multiplanetary effort then.

I'll bet yours hasn't exploded either

[welshjon81]

RumbleOfThunder said:

Simpo Two said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

WH16 said:

Hmm, doing the hardest thing mankind has ever done is taking a little longer than predicted. I can live with that.

The hardest thing ever, that he will never achieve, he knows he'll never achieve, and no one is asking for anyway. Tremendous.

He got further than you did though...

As ridiculous as your statement is, it's not even true . Starship has been in development for 8 years and has yet to deliver a payload or reach orbit. So same has my multiplanetary effort then.

Dude, SpaceX are building the most powerful, most complex and most ambitious machine (and infrastructure to suit) that man has ever seen. You don't work in manufacturing/production - do you?

[p1stonhead]

welshjon81 said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

Simpo Two said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

WH16 said:

Hmm, doing the hardest thing mankind has ever done is taking a little longer than predicted. I can live with that.

The hardest thing ever, that he will never achieve, he knows he'll never achieve, and no one is asking for anyway. Tremendous.

He got further than you did though...

As ridiculous as your statement is, it's not even true . Starship has been in development for 8 years and has yet to deliver a payload or reach orbit. So same has my multiplanetary effort then.

Dude, SpaceX are building the most powerful, most complex and most ambitious machine (and infrastructure to suit) that man has ever seen. You don't work in manufacturing/production - do you?

It’s just a rocket. That hasn’t done anything yet.

It’s not even remotely close to the most ambitious machine ever built.

It’s at this time almost certainly this

https://www.asml.com/en/products/euv-lithography-s...

[RustyMX5]

p1stonhead said:

welshjon81 said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

Simpo Two said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

WH16 said:

Hmm, doing the hardest thing mankind has ever done is taking a little longer than predicted. I can live with that.

The hardest thing ever, that he will never achieve, he knows he'll never achieve, and no one is asking for anyway. Tremendous.

He got further than you did though...

As ridiculous as your statement is, it's not even true . Starship has been in development for 8 years and has yet to deliver a payload or reach orbit. So same has my multiplanetary effort then.

Dude, SpaceX are building the most powerful, most complex and most ambitious machine (and infrastructure to suit) that man has ever seen. You don't work in manufacturing/production - do you?

It s just a rocket. That hasn t done anything yet.

It s not even remotely close to the most ambitious machine ever built.

It s at this time almost certainly this

https://www.asml.com/en/products/euv-lithography-s...

I'd take a view that the LHC, ITER and NIF, to name but a few, are significantly more complex by several orders of magnitude than Starship.

[thegreenhell]

p1stonhead said:

It s just a rocket. That hasn t done anything yet.

It s not even remotely close to the most ambitious machine ever built.

It s at this time almost certainly this

https://www.asml.com/en/products/euv-lithography-s...

The Veritasium video on this was deeply impressive.

[p1stonhead]

thegreenhell said:

p1stonhead said:

It s just a rocket. That hasn t done anything yet.

It s not even remotely close to the most ambitious machine ever built.

It s at this time almost certainly this

https://www.asml.com/en/products/euv-lithography-s...

The Veritasium video on this was deeply impressive.

I was JUST about to post this. I watched it a few weeks ago. Literally mind blowing. I don t understand how humans have come up with such stuff let alone actually build it.

This is an absolute must watch for anyone even remotely geeky or interested in technology.

Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 10th February 14:19