Oil extractor pump - a warning

Oil extractor pump - a warning

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shouldbworking

4,769 posts

212 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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Only 1? thats nothing.

Old Lancia Beta VX's or IE's had a vacuum operated oil level gauge on the dashboard which worked by having a hollow tube plastic tube heading down the hole normally occupied by the traditional dipstick.

Add in a couple of years of heat cycles, brittle plastic and removal to check the oil level (would you trust the gauge on that sort of thing?) and they invariably snapped at a curve in the dipstick tube. Not uncommon to find 2 or 3 lengths of the pipe in the sump!

tonys

1,080 posts

223 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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shouldbworking said:
Only 1? thats nothing.

Old Lancia Beta VX's or IE's had a vacuum operated oil level gauge on the dashboard which worked by having a hollow tube plastic tube heading down the hole normally occupied by the traditional dipstick.

Add in a couple of years of heat cycles, brittle plastic and removal to check the oil level (would you trust the gauge on that sort of thing?) and they invariably snapped at a curve in the dipstick tube. Not uncommon to find 2 or 3 lengths of the pipe in the sump!
Maybe, but to be fair, I would imagine owners were more concerned about the quality of the steel body, rather than the plastic tube.smilesmile. I liked them though, funnily enough.

jbi

12,671 posts

204 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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what's the advantage over simply warming the engine and letting the warm oil flow out of the drain plug?

chryslerben

1,171 posts

159 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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Still not keen on the extract idea, infact I'd go as far to say if I knew a car I was looking to buy had been serviced in this manor I think twice about buying it

Ricky_M

6,618 posts

219 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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You miss out on all the fun bits.

Getting oil down your sleeve, dropping the sump plug into a rapidly filling container of warm oil, forgetting to put the sump plug back in when putting fresh oil in!

I don't envy you having to remove the sump!

Camaro91

2,675 posts

166 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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Our old diesels have fixed sump pumps as you can't access the drain plug.

40 years old and still going strong smile (the diesels, not me).

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

207 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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chryslerben said:
Still not keen on the extract idea, infact I'd go as far to say if I knew a car I was looking to buy had been serviced in this manor I think twice about buying it
Erm, how would you know?
FMDSH.

chryslerben

1,171 posts

159 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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WhoseGeneration said:
Erm, how would you know?
FMDSH.
Well wouldn't buy a merc to start off with not my cup of tea

And as stated IF I knew not I automatically know

Deva Link

26,934 posts

245 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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chryslerben said:
Still not keen on the extract idea, infact I'd go as far to say if I knew a car I was looking to buy had been serviced in this manor I think twice about buying it
You'd rather have one that was serviced further away?

wildoliver

8,777 posts

216 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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As has already been suggested you don't need to remove the sump, sump plug yes, bent wire hook the pipe out.

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

234 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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chryslerben said:
Well wouldn't buy a merc to start off with not my cup of tea

And as stated IF I knew not I automatically know
You do know what an oil filter is, don't you?

buggalugs

9,243 posts

237 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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If nobody was watching I might be tempted to say sod it and just leave the pipe in there. I don't think the crank will care about a bit of 5mm plastic pipe, and there's the strainer and filter for any bits that get mashed up and start floating round.

chryslerben

1,171 posts

159 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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Parrot of Doom said:
You do know what an oil filter is, don't you?
Haha let's hope so for the sake of all those porsches

Hitler Hadrump

1,750 posts

173 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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Changed my oil this afternoon the old fashioned way. My car has no undertray, and you can undo the sump plug without jacking up the car, yet I'd still like an oil extractor. Just more dignified than crawling about on the drive!

Besides, the last time I had my sump off, here's what was left after draining the oil using the drain plug:


AlpineWhite

2,141 posts

195 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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Deva Link said:
You'd rather have one that was serviced further away?
Too damn right he would.

hehe

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

163 months

Saturday 28th May 2011
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I am with some of the above.

If you are going to service your car do it properly ,socket and sump plug to drain oil

Does the OP change the brake pads with the wheel still on the car , by using some magical

extraction device ? tongue out

Superhoop

4,677 posts

193 months

Saturday 28th May 2011
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What's with the 'if you don't take the sump plug out, you're not doing it right' brigade?

I'm not saying it's something I'd do, but some cars only have this option - Smart, Mercs etc

When you drop the sump plug, you're still not draining all of the oil - want proof?

All manufacturers list different oil quantities for their cars:

New engine

Replacement only

Replacement with filter

For the record, there's normally about a litre difference between options 1 and 3

As for, all the rubbish comes out when you take out the sump plug, dream on

Try dropping the oil out of a broken engine, then remove the sump - the amount of debris that doesn't drain has to be seen to be believed

MrLou

Original Poster:

879 posts

221 months

Saturday 28th May 2011
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I'm not feeling the love for oil extractors here smile

At the end of the day I'm just a bloke with a 130k A3 who thought he'd try and save a bit if cash by doing some stuff himself. By buying £30 of filters and £30 of tools I figured I'd have a bit of fun for an hour and save a few quid too, instead I'm sitting here feeling a bit down as I now have a bigger problem than before I started!

The car does about 5k a year and at 10 years old isn't worth a great deal. I'm sure it's mostly my fault it went wrong but hey, it's a learning experience.

As for changing brakes, after this experience I'll leave that job to someone else.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

204 months

Saturday 28th May 2011
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How is the dipstick tube attached to this engine?

As i bet the pipe is still in the tube

MrLou

Original Poster:

879 posts

221 months

Saturday 28th May 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
How is the dipstick tube attached to this engine?

As i bet the pipe is still in the tube
Sadly not, first thing I did when I realised the error was to get an old clothes hanger, bend it straight with a little loop at the end, and try to fish the thing out. If it was in the pipe all I achieved was to really push it into the sump smile