Peugeot 206 1.4 cambelt issues
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Hello all
Me and my wife are now at our wits end
I think it maybe a good idea to ask for some of your advice.
The car went in to have the cambelt in mid December.
Came back to us at 10pm on a Friday night after Xmas.
My wife took the car for a run after we paid him for the job as we expected it to be back to fully running order. She took the car for a drive for 30 mins and when upon being home and reversing the car on the drive it just died straight away.
Being it was so late in the night we called him the following not ing and he came over to investigate.
He said at 1st it would be the inlet manifold
So he replaced that with the assistance of a diagnostic system from a rac recovery truck called by my wife as she was livid with the mechanic service.
When he replaced it it still wasn't right then he was telling us it was the injector rail was faulty.
This still wasn't the case at all
Now the date is 18th January 2018
I would be over the moon if we have it back before next Xmas
But my wife has no hope I that at all.
If we can't come to any solution with this problem of the mechanic telling us time and time again its something else.
Is there any advice or action we can take against the mechanic as I'm pretty sure anyone else with out there car for over a month would be totally livid by now.
He's had the money for the job to be done and still the car is not on the road.
Does anyone expect there mechanic to take on a job for example to change the tyres but then not balance them or even madly enough pump them up?
Me and my wife are now at our wits end
I think it maybe a good idea to ask for some of your advice.
The car went in to have the cambelt in mid December.
Came back to us at 10pm on a Friday night after Xmas.
My wife took the car for a run after we paid him for the job as we expected it to be back to fully running order. She took the car for a drive for 30 mins and when upon being home and reversing the car on the drive it just died straight away.
Being it was so late in the night we called him the following not ing and he came over to investigate.
He said at 1st it would be the inlet manifold
So he replaced that with the assistance of a diagnostic system from a rac recovery truck called by my wife as she was livid with the mechanic service.
When he replaced it it still wasn't right then he was telling us it was the injector rail was faulty.
This still wasn't the case at all
Now the date is 18th January 2018
I would be over the moon if we have it back before next Xmas
But my wife has no hope I that at all.
If we can't come to any solution with this problem of the mechanic telling us time and time again its something else.
Is there any advice or action we can take against the mechanic as I'm pretty sure anyone else with out there car for over a month would be totally livid by now.
He's had the money for the job to be done and still the car is not on the road.
Does anyone expect there mechanic to take on a job for example to change the tyres but then not balance them or even madly enough pump them up?
I just cant get my head around all this? You have been well and truly messed up,and so has your car.
For a start replacing a cambelt on a 1.4 Peugeot 206 (presumably the TU engine) has got to be one of the simplest cambelt jobs in the motor trade. A two hour job,three max.Two simple locking pins,one in the flywheel near the oil filter and one in the cam pulley,job done.
As for changing the inlet manifold ??? FFS that mechanic is an idiot. Its obvious he has not got a clue,don`t spend any more money with him,ask for a refund,he is taking the piss.
If there is a fault with the engine I bet its due to "elbow problems" ? damaged wire in the fuel rail or a vacuum pipe adrift? could be anything?
Find yourself a small independent Peugeot/Citroen expert and start again,properly.
For a start replacing a cambelt on a 1.4 Peugeot 206 (presumably the TU engine) has got to be one of the simplest cambelt jobs in the motor trade. A two hour job,three max.Two simple locking pins,one in the flywheel near the oil filter and one in the cam pulley,job done.
As for changing the inlet manifold ??? FFS that mechanic is an idiot. Its obvious he has not got a clue,don`t spend any more money with him,ask for a refund,he is taking the piss.
If there is a fault with the engine I bet its due to "elbow problems" ? damaged wire in the fuel rail or a vacuum pipe adrift? could be anything?
Find yourself a small independent Peugeot/Citroen expert and start again,properly.
bolky-36f3g said:
Is there any advice or action we can take against the mechanic
The consumer rights act 2015 says the trader must perform the service with reasonable care and skill.and the service must be carried out in a reasonable time. Clearly your mechanic made a mess of it, has been given an opportunity to rectify it and hasn't been able to. You're entitled to claim a price reduction for the work not done properly - in this case I suggest that's all of it.If you give the mechanic a choice between a full refund now, or you taking him to the small claims court for a full refund plus your costs to have the damage repaired elsewhere, I suspect he will choose the refund. Obviously you will be taking the car somewhere else to be put right anyway.
Edited by GreenV8S on Sunday 21st January 14:44
Thank you all for the advice and help and replies.
We still don't have the car back
The last we heard from him was he THINKS the sleeve have slipped .
It took 3 days to get a reply from him and that's all he said .The next point of contact he said we would have the car back some time this week just gone so we contacted him Thursday not ing for a update and all he said was it's still in pieces and can't promise we will have this back this week.
Even though it's his business and it was a good friend who gave me his contact info.
Won't ever recommend him to anyone not even my worse enemy
We still don't have the car back
The last we heard from him was he THINKS the sleeve have slipped .
It took 3 days to get a reply from him and that's all he said .The next point of contact he said we would have the car back some time this week just gone so we contacted him Thursday not ing for a update and all he said was it's still in pieces and can't promise we will have this back this week.
Even though it's his business and it was a good friend who gave me his contact info.
Won't ever recommend him to anyone not even my worse enemy
What on earth does he mean "the sleeve has slipped" what sleeve ? this is getting crazier. Now then OP ,was the original job JUST a cam belt change?
OR? did the cambelt snap and he has had the engine to bits ?
What ever, go get YOUR car,tell him to whistle for payment.
As said take it to a reliable expert and have it put right. Yes,your going to be seriously out of pocket. Get the expert to make a full report,then you may be able to get some compo from the idiot.
OR? did the cambelt snap and he has had the engine to bits ?
What ever, go get YOUR car,tell him to whistle for payment.
As said take it to a reliable expert and have it put right. Yes,your going to be seriously out of pocket. Get the expert to make a full report,then you may be able to get some compo from the idiot.
Exactly my thoughts.
I don't have a clue what he's on about by the sleeves.
The problem is he dropped the car off whilst I was at work and my wife was home alone with our son. So she couldn't take it for a run to make sure she was happy with it as we had no 1 in the house to watch our son.
For my wife this is got to the point of her having enough of it and wanting to scrap the car but as he dropped the car off and she trusted what he had done she paid the mechanic the full amount when he told her he checked it all over and was totally fine before bringing it to us.
To answer ur question the cambelt snapped on her coming home 1 afternoon from picking our son up from school. Luckily it was 5 mins away from my works so I managed to picked them up till rac got the car home.
I don't have a clue what he's on about by the sleeves.
The problem is he dropped the car off whilst I was at work and my wife was home alone with our son. So she couldn't take it for a run to make sure she was happy with it as we had no 1 in the house to watch our son.
For my wife this is got to the point of her having enough of it and wanting to scrap the car but as he dropped the car off and she trusted what he had done she paid the mechanic the full amount when he told her he checked it all over and was totally fine before bringing it to us.
To answer ur question the cambelt snapped on her coming home 1 afternoon from picking our son up from school. Luckily it was 5 mins away from my works so I managed to picked them up till rac got the car home.
I suspect we're not being told the full story here & are just being drip fed bits of information. Something I find hugely irritating & combined with a new poster is frequently the hall mark of a troll.
For the avoidance of doubt please confirm that the vehicle was recovered following a snapped cambelt and that this mechanic fitted the new belt to repair this.
What - if any - involvement has this mechanic had prior to that.
For the avoidance of doubt please confirm that the vehicle was recovered following a snapped cambelt and that this mechanic fitted the new belt to repair this.
What - if any - involvement has this mechanic had prior to that.
I thought there was more to this than a simple cam belt change.
If the belt snapped you will have bent valves. So the cylinder head would have to be removed for an overhaul. The sleeves he is on about are the cylinder liners (the bores) they are removable on this engine. When the head is off its esensial that they are held in place by a special tool. If not the liners can pop up if the engine is turned by hand.
Gets worse doesn't it,God knows what he has done? He could have messed up the whole engine.
I think it's time for some legal advise.
If the belt snapped you will have bent valves. So the cylinder head would have to be removed for an overhaul. The sleeves he is on about are the cylinder liners (the bores) they are removable on this engine. When the head is off its esensial that they are held in place by a special tool. If not the liners can pop up if the engine is turned by hand.
Gets worse doesn't it,God knows what he has done? He could have messed up the whole engine.
I think it's time for some legal advise.
I would just like to clarify I am not a troll what so ever.
I'll do my best to start from the beginning with this all.
My wife on her way home from picking our son up from school. The cambelt snapped but my wife didn't know thst so she called breakdown recovery straight away.
The rac man said straight and pointed out it was the camvelt as he pulled it out to show her.
The car was towed back to the house.
We arranged for the car to go to the mechanic to be fixed . He recovered it on his pick up teuck.
He did the work and showed us the bent valves in a picture.
We were kept waiting for 2 weeks for the car to be back and the car was brought back to us on his recovery truck at 10pm 1 night.
When the next morning came my wife drove it to see how it was and she said that the car struggled to get off our drive and the only way to keep it going was to keep the revs up till she got home.
We contacted the mechanic about this and he came to investigate and said it was the inlet manifold .
The only way he confirmed this he says was when my wife also called rac again to help and they hooked it up to there computer and by the mechanic in plugging a sensor it slightly idled better but not perfect.
4 days later he arrived with a inlet manifold and fitted it at the house and still the same problem.
His next suggestion was the injector rail.
He changed thst and still no joy.
He collected the car just 2 days after new years day and 2 weeks after that said it's the sleeves .
The contact from him is close to no excistent.
He contact him every other day for a update and struggle to get any response .
I'm sorry for the confusion and I do hope this all helps
I'll do my best to start from the beginning with this all.
My wife on her way home from picking our son up from school. The cambelt snapped but my wife didn't know thst so she called breakdown recovery straight away.
The rac man said straight and pointed out it was the camvelt as he pulled it out to show her.
The car was towed back to the house.
We arranged for the car to go to the mechanic to be fixed . He recovered it on his pick up teuck.
He did the work and showed us the bent valves in a picture.
We were kept waiting for 2 weeks for the car to be back and the car was brought back to us on his recovery truck at 10pm 1 night.
When the next morning came my wife drove it to see how it was and she said that the car struggled to get off our drive and the only way to keep it going was to keep the revs up till she got home.
We contacted the mechanic about this and he came to investigate and said it was the inlet manifold .
The only way he confirmed this he says was when my wife also called rac again to help and they hooked it up to there computer and by the mechanic in plugging a sensor it slightly idled better but not perfect.
4 days later he arrived with a inlet manifold and fitted it at the house and still the same problem.
His next suggestion was the injector rail.
He changed thst and still no joy.
He collected the car just 2 days after new years day and 2 weeks after that said it's the sleeves .
The contact from him is close to no excistent.
He contact him every other day for a update and struggle to get any response .
I'm sorry for the confusion and I do hope this all helps
Assuming the car was running perfectly prior to the cam belt snapping I'm struggling to see why an inlet manifold or rail would be considered a cure following cam belt failure.
We now know it hasn't run right since the repair. The first post gave the impression that she'd taken it out for a run & it was fine, only dying when she got home.
I do wonder if the valve seats or the head has suffered damage as a consequence or that there is further internal damage such as a bent conrod or damage to the big end bearings.
I would be inclined to recheck the timing & if that's all lined up turn the engine over by hand to see if it turns over easily & smoothly without any tight spots followed by a compression check.
Some engines can get away with cam belt failure with just a few bits whilst others the damage is terminal.
It's also clear that this mechanic hasn't got a clue what's wrong with it, doesn't appear to have diagnostic equipment & is just changing parts at random in the hope that it will miraculously cure it.
We now know it hasn't run right since the repair. The first post gave the impression that she'd taken it out for a run & it was fine, only dying when she got home.
I do wonder if the valve seats or the head has suffered damage as a consequence or that there is further internal damage such as a bent conrod or damage to the big end bearings.
I would be inclined to recheck the timing & if that's all lined up turn the engine over by hand to see if it turns over easily & smoothly without any tight spots followed by a compression check.
Some engines can get away with cam belt failure with just a few bits whilst others the damage is terminal.
It's also clear that this mechanic hasn't got a clue what's wrong with it, doesn't appear to have diagnostic equipment & is just changing parts at random in the hope that it will miraculously cure it.
Edited by paintman on Monday 22 January 10:23
bolky-36f3g said:
I do apologise for the delay.
I don't have a large amount of time to spend on computers or smart phones due to private matters.
We ha e been told will be sorted this week
The k you all foe ur help it's been greatly apprecuated
Looking at your spelling I think you need a lot more time practicing on your computer. I don't have a large amount of time to spend on computers or smart phones due to private matters.
We ha e been told will be sorted this week
The k you all foe ur help it's been greatly apprecuated
Hello.
Would just like to say thank you for your help and advice.
We have the car back today after 8 weeks of being told complete bull s
t over and over again.
He has apparently had contact from me to go ahead with work on the car which involved changing oil and oil filters and flushing the engine.
He's charged us £148.50 for this but taking 20 hours labour off for some reason.
We don't know what them 20 hours were for at all but he said he stripped the engine down and 're built it all again.
We spoke to citizen advice bureau about the whole problem and they said if we have not confirmed him to do all the extra work then he has no right to charge us for it at all .
He threatened my wife with actions thst if we take the car then he will collect the car in the late hours of the night with his recovery truck and sell it to pay the money.
In our eyes if he did this then it is theft straight away and he is not to do so as he is not a bailiff either.
But the matter is now resolved but we will not be going to him again and will never recommend anyone to anyone at all.
The communication was on a scale of 10 has to be 0.5 in my eyes.
He's a poor example of mechanic.
But the matter is done now and thank you all for advice and help
Would just like to say thank you for your help and advice.
We have the car back today after 8 weeks of being told complete bull s
t over and over again.He has apparently had contact from me to go ahead with work on the car which involved changing oil and oil filters and flushing the engine.
He's charged us £148.50 for this but taking 20 hours labour off for some reason.
We don't know what them 20 hours were for at all but he said he stripped the engine down and 're built it all again.
We spoke to citizen advice bureau about the whole problem and they said if we have not confirmed him to do all the extra work then he has no right to charge us for it at all .
He threatened my wife with actions thst if we take the car then he will collect the car in the late hours of the night with his recovery truck and sell it to pay the money.
In our eyes if he did this then it is theft straight away and he is not to do so as he is not a bailiff either.
But the matter is now resolved but we will not be going to him again and will never recommend anyone to anyone at all.
The communication was on a scale of 10 has to be 0.5 in my eyes.
He's a poor example of mechanic.
But the matter is done now and thank you all for advice and help
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